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		<title>By: Legacy Escrow Service, Inc.</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/03/23/zero-commission/#comment-3500</link>
		<dc:creator>Legacy Escrow Service, Inc.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eileen- good morning...thought I&#039;d just drop this to you before I run the kids to school this morning.

$200.00 in recording fees?   Unusual?  Depends on where you are closing.  Most transactions we close recording fees are well $100 for recording fees.  

Warranty Deed is $33 plus a $1 for each additional page, Deeds of Trust are $34 and $1 for each additional page.  Some counties may vary slightly, but not much.  Buyer pays these.

What is happening is that escrow firms (several in Puget Sound area) are charging overages just because they can.   In other words, they keep the difference.  Illegal, no.  Unethical, in my opinion yes.  But then again, our firm is customer driven, not profit driven.  You must have the prior solved before the latter occurs.

Another charge that is blatantly absurd is e-mail fees.  We see these charged by competitors upwards of $150-200.  How do you charge a client an e-mail document fee?  Many are, and it&#039;s never questioned.  This is how most all escrow firms receives loan docs.  It&#039;s a routine daily function of work, like picking up the phone.  Will the industry invent another junk fee soon?  Bet on it.

If you disect the potential escrow junk fees that are out there, it could potentially increase profits to the firm by 30% or so.  I would love to gross 30% more than we are.  

Our rate structure is on our website, but to save you the trouble: Most of our purchase transactions close for $495/side plus tax.  $100,000 sale, same.  $500K sale, same. No junk, no fluff, no e-mail fees.  At our company, we think it&#039;s smart business to charge a little to a lot of people than charge a ton to just a few.  And, we have a strong belief that the last people your clients see in a transaction will have a lasting impact on the long-term business relationship you have with your client.  End of commercial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eileen- good morning&#8230;thought I&#8217;d just drop this to you before I run the kids to school this morning.</p>
<p>$200.00 in recording fees?   Unusual?  Depends on where you are closing.  Most transactions we close recording fees are well $100 for recording fees.  </p>
<p>Warranty Deed is $33 plus a $1 for each additional page, Deeds of Trust are $34 and $1 for each additional page.  Some counties may vary slightly, but not much.  Buyer pays these.</p>
<p>What is happening is that escrow firms (several in Puget Sound area) are charging overages just because they can.   In other words, they keep the difference.  Illegal, no.  Unethical, in my opinion yes.  But then again, our firm is customer driven, not profit driven.  You must have the prior solved before the latter occurs.</p>
<p>Another charge that is blatantly absurd is e-mail fees.  We see these charged by competitors upwards of $150-200.  How do you charge a client an e-mail document fee?  Many are, and it&#8217;s never questioned.  This is how most all escrow firms receives loan docs.  It&#8217;s a routine daily function of work, like picking up the phone.  Will the industry invent another junk fee soon?  Bet on it.</p>
<p>If you disect the potential escrow junk fees that are out there, it could potentially increase profits to the firm by 30% or so.  I would love to gross 30% more than we are.  </p>
<p>Our rate structure is on our website, but to save you the trouble: Most of our purchase transactions close for $495/side plus tax.  $100,000 sale, same.  $500K sale, same. No junk, no fluff, no e-mail fees.  At our company, we think it&#8217;s smart business to charge a little to a lot of people than charge a ton to just a few.  And, we have a strong belief that the last people your clients see in a transaction will have a lasting impact on the long-term business relationship you have with your client.  End of commercial.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen Tefft</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/03/23/zero-commission/#comment-3492</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen Tefft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 01:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim at Legacy:
You&#039;re right on re:the loan docs hitting escrow in enough time to have a smooth closing.I think the same problem exists with the lenders as with the agents when both turn the deals over to transaction coordinators.I like my lender who is hands on, always knows where we are in the process and when I attend closings and review the HUDs I always know they&#039;re going to match the Good Faith.
When the docs are late, the customer has a bad experience and when that happens, everything you&#039;ve done all thru the transaction to make if fun but professional for your clients goes down the toilet.
BTW,I just got a HUD with a $200 recording fee!!!Ever heard of that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim at Legacy:<br />
You&#8217;re right on re:the loan docs hitting escrow in enough time to have a smooth closing.I think the same problem exists with the lenders as with the agents when both turn the deals over to transaction coordinators.I like my lender who is hands on, always knows where we are in the process and when I attend closings and review the HUDs I always know they&#8217;re going to match the Good Faith.<br />
When the docs are late, the customer has a bad experience and when that happens, everything you&#8217;ve done all thru the transaction to make if fun but professional for your clients goes down the toilet.<br />
BTW,I just got a HUD with a $200 recording fee!!!Ever heard of that?</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/03/23/zero-commission/#comment-3442</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, you track it the same way you track referral business. I&#039;m sure that you already have a system to track a referral from out of state, to be sure to pay the referral fee to the out of state broker at closing.

Most states have laws against paying third part referral fees, so it&#039;s a tad touchy. There&#039;s no law against reducing the commission for &quot;other business generated&quot; before the listing closes. But, I&#039;m pretty sure you can&#039;t go below zero or actually &quot;pay&quot; rather than &quot;reduce&quot; a commission, as there are laws against that in most states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, you track it the same way you track referral business. I&#8217;m sure that you already have a system to track a referral from out of state, to be sure to pay the referral fee to the out of state broker at closing.</p>
<p>Most states have laws against paying third part referral fees, so it&#8217;s a tad touchy. There&#8217;s no law against reducing the commission for &#8220;other business generated&#8221; before the listing closes. But, I&#8217;m pretty sure you can&#8217;t go below zero or actually &#8220;pay&#8221; rather than &#8220;reduce&#8221; a commission, as there are laws against that in most states.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Kimmons</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/03/23/zero-commission/#comment-3437</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Kimmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the idea of commission reduction for buyer business generated from the listing is a great one.

Of course, if I want to implement it, I&#039;ve got to figure out how to capture and track the buyers so that proper credit is given.  But I&#039;m already working on how to make that happen.  Thanks for a good new idea!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the idea of commission reduction for buyer business generated from the listing is a great one.</p>
<p>Of course, if I want to implement it, I&#8217;ve got to figure out how to capture and track the buyers so that proper credit is given.  But I&#8217;m already working on how to make that happen.  Thanks for a good new idea!</p>
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		<title>By: Carey Internet Services : News Archive &#187; Zero Commission Real Estate</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/03/23/zero-commission/#comment-3411</link>
		<dc:creator>Carey Internet Services : News Archive &#187; Zero Commission Real Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 02:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Grier Smith</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/03/23/zero-commission/#comment-3368</link>
		<dc:creator>Grier Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,

Very well said! Your last statement (“the value of a good, ethical and customer driven loan officer is woefully underestimated by agents”) really caught my attention. I am a mortgage banker, so I’ve been struggling with how I might comment on this without sounding self-serving. But to hell with it – I’m just going to say it - there are many things that I enjoy about working in the mortgage business, but at the end of the day the only thing that really adds value to my life is the feeling that I am connecting in an honest way with the people that I work with. It sounds so simplistic, and at least for me, as I travel through my days, finding someone that is “good, ethical and customer driven” seems to be a rare characteristic of any service provider. When I see it, I know it, and when I find it, I keep coming back. Hey…what a great marketing strategy: 1. Know your business; 2. Be ethical in your dealings with people; and 3. Be honestly focused on providing them a service. Seems that if anyone, in any business, wants to set themselves apart from their competitors, follow those three steps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>Very well said! Your last statement (“the value of a good, ethical and customer driven loan officer is woefully underestimated by agents”) really caught my attention. I am a mortgage banker, so I’ve been struggling with how I might comment on this without sounding self-serving. But to hell with it – I’m just going to say it &#8211; there are many things that I enjoy about working in the mortgage business, but at the end of the day the only thing that really adds value to my life is the feeling that I am connecting in an honest way with the people that I work with. It sounds so simplistic, and at least for me, as I travel through my days, finding someone that is “good, ethical and customer driven” seems to be a rare characteristic of any service provider. When I see it, I know it, and when I find it, I keep coming back. Hey…what a great marketing strategy: 1. Know your business; 2. Be ethical in your dealings with people; and 3. Be honestly focused on providing them a service. Seems that if anyone, in any business, wants to set themselves apart from their competitors, follow those three steps.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/03/23/zero-commission/#comment-3366</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/03/23/zero-commission/#comment-3365</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony, Offering a bonus to the buyer&#039;s agent is &quot;old thinking&quot;.

If the buyer&#039;s agent is representing the buyer, why should the agent be &quot;enticed&quot; by a bounus.  The best house is the best house for the buyer....not the one with the bonus.  This is why I intentionally do not look at the commission until after the offer is &quot;signed around&quot;.  One exception being, when I need to participate financially in the offer for the buyer to get the property.  Then I need to see it during negotiations.

Bonuses to the buyer&#039;s agent should no longer be used to sell houses.  That&#039;s from the old days when all agents represented sellers.

An extra $10,000 in my pocket should not make that house more attractive to my buyer.  Offer the $10,000 bonus to the buyer, not to the agent.  Maybe it will make the house look better to the buyer :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony, Offering a bonus to the buyer&#8217;s agent is &#8220;old thinking&#8221;.</p>
<p>If the buyer&#8217;s agent is representing the buyer, why should the agent be &#8220;enticed&#8221; by a bounus.  The best house is the best house for the buyer&#8230;.not the one with the bonus.  This is why I intentionally do not look at the commission until after the offer is &#8220;signed around&#8221;.  One exception being, when I need to participate financially in the offer for the buyer to get the property.  Then I need to see it during negotiations.</p>
<p>Bonuses to the buyer&#8217;s agent should no longer be used to sell houses.  That&#8217;s from the old days when all agents represented sellers.</p>
<p>An extra $10,000 in my pocket should not make that house more attractive to my buyer.  Offer the $10,000 bonus to the buyer, not to the agent.  Maybe it will make the house look better to the buyer <img src='http://raincityguide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tony kawaguchi</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/03/23/zero-commission/#comment-3356</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony kawaguchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of this talk about discount brokers, FSBO&#039;s, cut commissions - it&#039;s all going to be GONE when the buyer&#039;s market truly hits. 

It&#039;s easy to sell in a seller&#039;s market, but when the tide starts changing (already is) you actually have to try to sell a house. You have to advertise, door knock, advertise again, stage, farm, advertise more and more and more.  

to sell a $1mill house in Hawaii you have to spend thousands of dollars now and it can take a year.  So no, 1% is not going to cut it for the commission. 

Sellers here are now offering MORE than 6% sometimes because they need to sell.  If the market comes crashing hard, I predict commissions above 6% will be common.  Like, 3% to buyer&#039;s agent plus a $10k bonus.  I just saw that last month here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of this talk about discount brokers, FSBO&#8217;s, cut commissions &#8211; it&#8217;s all going to be GONE when the buyer&#8217;s market truly hits. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to sell in a seller&#8217;s market, but when the tide starts changing (already is) you actually have to try to sell a house. You have to advertise, door knock, advertise again, stage, farm, advertise more and more and more.  </p>
<p>to sell a $1mill house in Hawaii you have to spend thousands of dollars now and it can take a year.  So no, 1% is not going to cut it for the commission. </p>
<p>Sellers here are now offering MORE than 6% sometimes because they need to sell.  If the market comes crashing hard, I predict commissions above 6% will be common.  Like, 3% to buyer&#8217;s agent plus a $10k bonus.  I just saw that last month here.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/03/23/zero-commission/#comment-3355</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EXCELLENT!  Now that&#039;s a true dose of reality, Tim.  Thanks!  And all this time I thought you were a cute little blonde girl named Lucy :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EXCELLENT!  Now that&#8217;s a true dose of reality, Tim.  Thanks!  And all this time I thought you were a cute little blonde girl named Lucy <img src='http://raincityguide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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