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		<title>By: Flat Rate Realty</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/07/16/disguised-fsbo-market-share/#comment-342600</link>
		<dc:creator>Flat Rate Realty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/07/16/disguised-fsbo-market-share/#comment-287843</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the response.  The property is in a resort beachfront area and is about 4 hours away from my primary home so obviously lockbox access is not practical.  As far as pricing goes, my point was that the realtor&#039;s calling me seem to be &quot;opportunist&quot; rather than of any TRUE benefit (or value) to me.  Sure, ANYONE could sell a unit by undercutting.  Some have.  That&#039;s not of any VALUE IMHO.  If the ONLY thing the agent is doing is listing it on MLS, then they aren&#039;t doing their job.  Since that last post the actual resales in that particular building have INCREASED by about $25K and I am once again talking to regular brokers to see what they have to offer.  PS - I am almost as far away from Seattle as you can get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response.  The property is in a resort beachfront area and is about 4 hours away from my primary home so obviously lockbox access is not practical.  As far as pricing goes, my point was that the realtor&#8217;s calling me seem to be &#8220;opportunist&#8221; rather than of any TRUE benefit (or value) to me.  Sure, ANYONE could sell a unit by undercutting.  Some have.  That&#8217;s not of any VALUE IMHO.  If the ONLY thing the agent is doing is listing it on MLS, then they aren&#8217;t doing their job.  Since that last post the actual resales in that particular building have INCREASED by about $25K and I am once again talking to regular brokers to see what they have to offer.  PS &#8211; I am almost as far away from Seattle as you can get.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Davidenko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Davidenko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike you are right on!!! Denial, some people think that certain things last forever. however those people eventually learn the plain and simple truth. many many years ago the dinosaurs roamed the earth alongside real estate brokers and agents who held the &quot;holy grail&quot;. &quot;the mls book&quot; but then came along came the world wide web...dinosaurs extinct and brokers and agents wondering when people would notice that they in fact did not hold the &quot;mls&quot; anymore. Flat rate real estate is todays and tomorrows real estate.

Craig</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike you are right on!!! Denial, some people think that certain things last forever. however those people eventually learn the plain and simple truth. many many years ago the dinosaurs roamed the earth alongside real estate brokers and agents who held the &#8220;holy grail&#8221;. &#8220;the mls book&#8221; but then came along came the world wide web&#8230;dinosaurs extinct and brokers and agents wondering when people would notice that they in fact did not hold the &#8220;mls&#8221; anymore. Flat rate real estate is todays and tomorrows real estate.</p>
<p>Craig</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/07/16/disguised-fsbo-market-share/#comment-245412</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I just have to toss my hat into the ring. As I see it, my past experiences are very much like Jay&#039;s. I&#039;ve sold 2 houses FSBO after I went the realtor route. My current home would fetch a listing broker a $20940.00 commission. Can you realtors please explain what you can offer me for $20000.00 that I can&#039;t do myself? 

Let&#039;s face it sales is a numbers game. The more people who see the house the more likely you are to sell. It&#039;s not some special voodoo that only realtors have. So, if I get a CMA, price within reality (based on my CMA and amenities) have an MLS listing, an internet site, ads in the local and or regional papers,  do open houses and showings and stage the home properly where do you fit in? I&#039;ve lived in the community, my kids go to school there, built and lived in the home for 8 years and know every nook and cranny of it...Who better to sell it than me. Many of you have never stepped foot into a property until I call and ask for a showing. Where does your expertise help me? I can&#039;t count the number of homes I&#039;ve looked at over the last 20 years with a broker and they knew nothing about the property except what was on the &quot;sheet&quot;. Come on! $20000.00 of my hard earned equity for that! Sorry my kids could do a better job. 

Beware realtors, it&#039;s a new day in the home sales market like it or not. There are a lot of buyers and sellers out there who need your hand holding. However, as buyers and sellers become better educated and confident the way houses are bought and sold will continue to change. Get your collective heads out of the clouds and bring your commissions down to a reasonable level (2.5-3%) or continue to lose business to the FSBO&#039;s. 

 FSBO&#039;s get a good attorney and the process is easier than you think not easy but not anywhere near as complicated as many would lead you to believe!

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I just have to toss my hat into the ring. As I see it, my past experiences are very much like Jay&#8217;s. I&#8217;ve sold 2 houses FSBO after I went the realtor route. My current home would fetch a listing broker a $20940.00 commission. Can you realtors please explain what you can offer me for $20000.00 that I can&#8217;t do myself? </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it sales is a numbers game. The more people who see the house the more likely you are to sell. It&#8217;s not some special voodoo that only realtors have. So, if I get a CMA, price within reality (based on my CMA and amenities) have an MLS listing, an internet site, ads in the local and or regional papers,  do open houses and showings and stage the home properly where do you fit in? I&#8217;ve lived in the community, my kids go to school there, built and lived in the home for 8 years and know every nook and cranny of it&#8230;Who better to sell it than me. Many of you have never stepped foot into a property until I call and ask for a showing. Where does your expertise help me? I can&#8217;t count the number of homes I&#8217;ve looked at over the last 20 years with a broker and they knew nothing about the property except what was on the &#8220;sheet&#8221;. Come on! $20000.00 of my hard earned equity for that! Sorry my kids could do a better job. </p>
<p>Beware realtors, it&#8217;s a new day in the home sales market like it or not. There are a lot of buyers and sellers out there who need your hand holding. However, as buyers and sellers become better educated and confident the way houses are bought and sold will continue to change. Get your collective heads out of the clouds and bring your commissions down to a reasonable level (2.5-3%) or continue to lose business to the FSBO&#8217;s. </p>
<p> FSBO&#8217;s get a good attorney and the process is easier than you think not easy but not anywhere near as complicated as many would lead you to believe!</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/07/16/disguised-fsbo-market-share/#comment-155600</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay,

Where are you? You may want a &quot;lockbox 4 u&quot; service that is cheaper than 1%, if you are going to drastically reduce your price and undercut everyone in your building. Those services are paid for whether the property sells or not. Still...depending on sale price, up front flat fee might be an option you should look into, before considering a lower percentage option.

But don&#039;t chintz on the BA fee if you do. Save the money on your side of the fence, and not the mls offering fee, as that would likely be counter-productive in your case. Make sure your offering is equivalent to the units that are selling, whatever that may be.

If nothing in your building is selling, and condos in other buildings are, you may want to get an advance copy of the Resale Certificate from the management company. Maybe there is something going on in your building, like a soon to be announced special assessment, that is holding up all sales in your building. If that is the case, it might be better to wait that out if you can, than dropping the price to compensate for a temporary negative issue.

That&#039;s the best I can do without knowing the State and town you are talking about. Also remember to price based on what has SOLD and not what other units are &quot;asking&quot;. If your asking price is much higher than sold prices, doesn&#039;t matter that it is the lowest of &quot;asking&quot; prices. Sometimes ALL of the &quot;asking prices&quot; are too high. So value off comps and pending sales, not &quot;for sale&quot; properties.

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,</p>
<p>Where are you? You may want a &#8220;lockbox 4 u&#8221; service that is cheaper than 1%, if you are going to drastically reduce your price and undercut everyone in your building. Those services are paid for whether the property sells or not. Still&#8230;depending on sale price, up front flat fee might be an option you should look into, before considering a lower percentage option.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t chintz on the BA fee if you do. Save the money on your side of the fence, and not the mls offering fee, as that would likely be counter-productive in your case. Make sure your offering is equivalent to the units that are selling, whatever that may be.</p>
<p>If nothing in your building is selling, and condos in other buildings are, you may want to get an advance copy of the Resale Certificate from the management company. Maybe there is something going on in your building, like a soon to be announced special assessment, that is holding up all sales in your building. If that is the case, it might be better to wait that out if you can, than dropping the price to compensate for a temporary negative issue.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the best I can do without knowing the State and town you are talking about. Also remember to price based on what has SOLD and not what other units are &#8220;asking&#8221;. If your asking price is much higher than sold prices, doesn&#8217;t matter that it is the lowest of &#8220;asking&#8221; prices. Sometimes ALL of the &#8220;asking prices&#8221; are too high. So value off comps and pending sales, not &#8220;for sale&#8221; properties.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Seifert</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/07/16/disguised-fsbo-market-share/#comment-155577</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Seifert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had a condo listed in a beach front property for a while with two different realtors (Century 21 and Prudential).  Both &quot;promised&quot; me EXCELLENT service and monthly (or possibly even weekly) reports of when my property was/has been shown.  Guess what I actually got from each one?  Very little beyond a MLS listing.  A new MLS agent wanted me to simply use him to list my unit as the elast expensive unit in the place &quot;so that it would move quickly&quot;?  And here I was thinking that it was the realtor&#039;s JOB to promote my unit!  Show me how they are going to list it, get client&#039;s in there, etc. No thanks, where are those 1% listing agents?  I need one NOW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had a condo listed in a beach front property for a while with two different realtors (Century 21 and Prudential).  Both &#8220;promised&#8221; me EXCELLENT service and monthly (or possibly even weekly) reports of when my property was/has been shown.  Guess what I actually got from each one?  Very little beyond a MLS listing.  A new MLS agent wanted me to simply use him to list my unit as the elast expensive unit in the place &#8220;so that it would move quickly&#8221;?  And here I was thinking that it was the realtor&#8217;s JOB to promote my unit!  Show me how they are going to list it, get client&#8217;s in there, etc. No thanks, where are those 1% listing agents?  I need one NOW!</p>
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		<title>By: Austin Real Estate</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/07/16/disguised-fsbo-market-share/#comment-139251</link>
		<dc:creator>Austin Real Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 20:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ARDELL raises a good point with FSBO&#039;s wanting the buyers realtor to do the work usually associated with the listing agent.  I have seen this with alot of discount realtors as well.  I have no problem with agents doing their work and competing on price.  Or simply offering their client less services.  What I see more and more is discounters pushing work onto the realtors on the other side of the transaction.  Kind of like a plumber and a roofer fixing up a house.  In the middle the plumber tells the roofer &quot;hey why dont you do the plumbing because Im not really making too much money on this&quot;.  I think if we see an upswing in the number of FSBO&#039;s and discount services things might start to fall apart.   On one side the discount listing agents dont want to do anything but put a lockbox on a house.  On the discount buyers agents like redfin they expect the listing agent to show the house because they cant afford to drive buyers around.  But in the end someone still needs to show buyers the house.  Not to mention dealing with the transaction and helping to educate the parties involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ARDELL raises a good point with FSBO&#8217;s wanting the buyers realtor to do the work usually associated with the listing agent.  I have seen this with alot of discount realtors as well.  I have no problem with agents doing their work and competing on price.  Or simply offering their client less services.  What I see more and more is discounters pushing work onto the realtors on the other side of the transaction.  Kind of like a plumber and a roofer fixing up a house.  In the middle the plumber tells the roofer &#8220;hey why dont you do the plumbing because Im not really making too much money on this&#8221;.  I think if we see an upswing in the number of FSBO&#8217;s and discount services things might start to fall apart.   On one side the discount listing agents dont want to do anything but put a lockbox on a house.  On the discount buyers agents like redfin they expect the listing agent to show the house because they cant afford to drive buyers around.  But in the end someone still needs to show buyers the house.  Not to mention dealing with the transaction and helping to educate the parties involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Obares</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/07/16/disguised-fsbo-market-share/#comment-101721</link>
		<dc:creator>Obares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>10% seems more accurate to me, I think 18% is very high.  There are also people that give very little effort by just sticking up the sign and most of those aren&#039;t serious about selling their home.  

I think over the next 2-3 years you will see a larger upswing in FSBO listings.  Many of the people selling their homes won&#039;t have the equity needed to make a decent profit and will try to sell themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10% seems more accurate to me, I think 18% is very high.  There are also people that give very little effort by just sticking up the sign and most of those aren&#8217;t serious about selling their home.  </p>
<p>I think over the next 2-3 years you will see a larger upswing in FSBO listings.  Many of the people selling their homes won&#8217;t have the equity needed to make a decent profit and will try to sell themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Camphaug</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/07/16/disguised-fsbo-market-share/#comment-56758</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Camphaug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jan 2007 05:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would expect the Buyers agent to represent the buyer.  They should deal with an FSBO homeowner in the same manner they would a &quot;listing agent&quot; - which in effect the homeowner represents.  That said, they (Buyers agents) should contact the FSBO homeowner to set up showing, present any offers in a written format, and act for the buyer with the homeowner when negotiating price.  I&#039;m sure some individuals will, as some individuals do, attempt to take advantage of the situation and make demands or inquires on the Buyer agent but I suspect that if the agent simply explained their position and obligation to the buyer that most FSBOs would appreciate the possible conflict of interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would expect the Buyers agent to represent the buyer.  They should deal with an FSBO homeowner in the same manner they would a &#8220;listing agent&#8221; &#8211; which in effect the homeowner represents.  That said, they (Buyers agents) should contact the FSBO homeowner to set up showing, present any offers in a written format, and act for the buyer with the homeowner when negotiating price.  I&#8217;m sure some individuals will, as some individuals do, attempt to take advantage of the situation and make demands or inquires on the Buyer agent but I suspect that if the agent simply explained their position and obligation to the buyer that most FSBOs would appreciate the possible conflict of interest.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/07/16/disguised-fsbo-market-share/#comment-51462</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 00:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

The question agents have is this.  Does the for sale by owner seller, expect the buyer&#039;s agent (who comes with a buyer) to represent the seller AND the buyer for that 50% of the &quot;normal&quot; fee?  

Many do.  Many sellers who save the listing fee, expect the agent to give the seller advices for that &quot;buyer agent fee&quot;, which creates a problem for the agent and the buyer.  Not just because of the money...but because of the dual agency of it.

Is it OK to a For Sale By Owner, for the buyer agent to treat the seller as &quot;representing himself&quot; and not give seller advices?  Out on the street...that is not the norm.  The seller wants the agent to explain escrow and other facets of the transaction.  The seller want the agent to explain the contract to them, and what everything means.  Saving 50% to &quot;represent yourself&quot;...fine.  But saving 50% and then expecting the agent to &quot;do both sides&quot;...not OK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>The question agents have is this.  Does the for sale by owner seller, expect the buyer&#8217;s agent (who comes with a buyer) to represent the seller AND the buyer for that 50% of the &#8220;normal&#8221; fee?  </p>
<p>Many do.  Many sellers who save the listing fee, expect the agent to give the seller advices for that &#8220;buyer agent fee&#8221;, which creates a problem for the agent and the buyer.  Not just because of the money&#8230;but because of the dual agency of it.</p>
<p>Is it OK to a For Sale By Owner, for the buyer agent to treat the seller as &#8220;representing himself&#8221; and not give seller advices?  Out on the street&#8230;that is not the norm.  The seller wants the agent to explain escrow and other facets of the transaction.  The seller want the agent to explain the contract to them, and what everything means.  Saving 50% to &#8220;represent yourself&#8221;&#8230;fine.  But saving 50% and then expecting the agent to &#8220;do both sides&#8221;&#8230;not OK.</p>
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