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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/07/17/you-have-to-wonder/#comment-21616</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have any of you read Inman&#039;s recent report &quot;Inside the commission black box?&quot;  I have not as Inman is tryng to charge $550 to download the report (too rich for my blood), but I was wondering if any of you folks have read it and, if so, would you care to comment on it.  

p.s.  I find it odd that Inman asks for Realtors to take time to do survey (the source of the report) for free and then Inamn turns around to those same Realtors and attempts to charge them a ridiculous amount to view the reults of this survery (even subscribers) C&#039;mon Inman!  Pehraps someone will publish it online (Digg, ActiveRain, Raincityguide, etc.)--wouldn&#039;t that be nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have any of you read Inman&#8217;s recent report &#8220;Inside the commission black box?&#8221;  I have not as Inman is tryng to charge $550 to download the report (too rich for my blood), but I was wondering if any of you folks have read it and, if so, would you care to comment on it.  </p>
<p>p.s.  I find it odd that Inman asks for Realtors to take time to do survey (the source of the report) for free and then Inamn turns around to those same Realtors and attempts to charge them a ridiculous amount to view the reults of this survery (even subscribers) C&#8217;mon Inman!  Pehraps someone will publish it online (Digg, ActiveRain, Raincityguide, etc.)&#8211;wouldn&#8217;t that be nice.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/07/17/you-have-to-wonder/#comment-11124</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 00:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>El, 

Where are you and are you a cash buyer or financing the sale.  Lender requires a lot of &quot;stuff&quot; if you are financing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El, </p>
<p>Where are you and are you a cash buyer or financing the sale.  Lender requires a lot of &#8220;stuff&#8221; if you are financing.</p>
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		<title>By: El Montgomery</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/07/17/you-have-to-wonder/#comment-11121</link>
		<dc:creator>El Montgomery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am curious about closing costs. I&#039;ve now bought and sold three houses, and the bullshit charges at closing have multiplied.  I&#039;m now paying an attorney&#039;s fee (though I don&#039;t see her/him), a courier fee (though I saw the materials for the first time at closing) and hundreds of other dollars in bullshit fees, including title insurance.
How can I stop this thievery?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious about closing costs. I&#8217;ve now bought and sold three houses, and the bullshit charges at closing have multiplied.  I&#8217;m now paying an attorney&#8217;s fee (though I don&#8217;t see her/him), a courier fee (though I saw the materials for the first time at closing) and hundreds of other dollars in bullshit fees, including title insurance.<br />
How can I stop this thievery?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Crossland</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/07/17/you-have-to-wonder/#comment-10503</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Crossland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Marlow - You beat me to it! I’m really not jumping on your bandwagon here, but I do the same thing you do.

Same here. I am a Realtor in Austin and work the fee with Buyers exactly as stated. The Buyer Rep Agreement determines my compensation, not the MLS Listing. It is the buyer who might choose to penalize that listing (due to a lower Seller contribution toward my fee), not me. 

It is therefore Buyer behavior, not Realtors, who create pressure toward maintaining a narrow range of Buyer Agent Commissions being offered in MLS listings. 

Ironically, it is also the Discount Brokers who promise Buyer commission rebates from the buyer agent commission that stoke this buyer behavior. If a buyer agent were, for example, to say he will charge 1.5% and rebate to the buyer 1.5%, the buyer immediately banks that money mentally toward closing costs, and will still penalize the lower commission listing because they see it as money out of their pocket.

In the commission debate, what&#039;s good for Sellers is not good for Buyers. Since most of us are both, at one time or another, there can be no permenant giving away from one side of the deal to the other.

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Marlow &#8211; You beat me to it! I’m really not jumping on your bandwagon here, but I do the same thing you do.</p>
<p>Same here. I am a Realtor in Austin and work the fee with Buyers exactly as stated. The Buyer Rep Agreement determines my compensation, not the MLS Listing. It is the buyer who might choose to penalize that listing (due to a lower Seller contribution toward my fee), not me. </p>
<p>It is therefore Buyer behavior, not Realtors, who create pressure toward maintaining a narrow range of Buyer Agent Commissions being offered in MLS listings. </p>
<p>Ironically, it is also the Discount Brokers who promise Buyer commission rebates from the buyer agent commission that stoke this buyer behavior. If a buyer agent were, for example, to say he will charge 1.5% and rebate to the buyer 1.5%, the buyer immediately banks that money mentally toward closing costs, and will still penalize the lower commission listing because they see it as money out of their pocket.</p>
<p>In the commission debate, what&#8217;s good for Sellers is not good for Buyers. Since most of us are both, at one time or another, there can be no permenant giving away from one side of the deal to the other.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny Spot Realty &#187; Real Estate Around the Blogosphere</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/07/17/you-have-to-wonder/#comment-10322</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny Spot Realty &#187; Real Estate Around the Blogosphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] From Seattle&#8217;s Rain City Real Estate Guide - Agents from all over the country talk about real estate commissions http://www.raincityguide.com/2006/07/17/you-have-to-wonder/#comment-10303 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Seattle&#8217;s Rain City Real Estate Guide &#187; Inspiring People to Comment</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/07/17/you-have-to-wonder/#comment-10305</link>
		<dc:creator>Seattle&#8217;s Rain City Real Estate Guide &#187; Inspiring People to Comment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 05:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Maggie Knowles</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/07/17/you-have-to-wonder/#comment-10303</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie Knowles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SeattleEric - Nice to read you. I&#039;m in my second year as a licensed agent working in the Los Angeles and San Fernando Valley areas. My first year was quite an experience. My strategy was similar to yours, cut my commission to get people in the door. What was interesting were the reactions I got from other agents. I did two listings at 4%. The first one, I decided to split 50/50 with the buyer&#039;s agent and posted 2% in the mls. I got calls from agents who said they would not show my listing to their clients unless I adjusted. The second one I gave 2.5% to the buyer&#039;s agent. My client told me that when he met with other agents, they all told him that no one would sell his home for less than 5% and if any agent did, no agent would bring buyers to his home. I met him at an open house I held for the first 4% listing. I told him that by law commissions are negotiable and took the listing, making sure to give 2.5% to the buyer&#039;s agent. I wasn&#039;t worried about agents not bringing their buyers to show the property because both homes were located in very desireable neighborhoods in Burbank and agents know this, but they were threatening the sellers in an effort to steer them away from me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SeattleEric &#8211; Nice to read you. I&#8217;m in my second year as a licensed agent working in the Los Angeles and San Fernando Valley areas. My first year was quite an experience. My strategy was similar to yours, cut my commission to get people in the door. What was interesting were the reactions I got from other agents. I did two listings at 4%. The first one, I decided to split 50/50 with the buyer&#8217;s agent and posted 2% in the mls. I got calls from agents who said they would not show my listing to their clients unless I adjusted. The second one I gave 2.5% to the buyer&#8217;s agent. My client told me that when he met with other agents, they all told him that no one would sell his home for less than 5% and if any agent did, no agent would bring buyers to his home. I met him at an open house I held for the first 4% listing. I told him that by law commissions are negotiable and took the listing, making sure to give 2.5% to the buyer&#8217;s agent. I wasn&#8217;t worried about agents not bringing their buyers to show the property because both homes were located in very desireable neighborhoods in Burbank and agents know this, but they were threatening the sellers in an effort to steer them away from me.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/07/17/you-have-to-wonder/#comment-10239</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christine,

Sounds like a good reason why we don&#039;t want attorneys ruling the marketplace :-)  I had no idea buyer agency was still stuck in the dark ages back there.  I started &quot;back there&quot; (So. Jersey/Bucks County, PA) during subagency in 1990 and was already doing buyer agency before I left in 1996.  I totally &quot;get&quot; how your system functions, as it sounds exactly the same way as it did ten years ago!  South Jersey and Bucks County did not and still does not, North Jersey and New York have always been &quot;different&quot; and binder based due to the attoney involvement.  South Jersey had a hybrid of the two.

I clearly expected more to happen in ten years with regard to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine,</p>
<p>Sounds like a good reason why we don&#8217;t want attorneys ruling the marketplace <img src='http://raincityguide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   I had no idea buyer agency was still stuck in the dark ages back there.  I started &#8220;back there&#8221; (So. Jersey/Bucks County, PA) during subagency in 1990 and was already doing buyer agency before I left in 1996.  I totally &#8220;get&#8221; how your system functions, as it sounds exactly the same way as it did ten years ago!  South Jersey and Bucks County did not and still does not, North Jersey and New York have always been &#8220;different&#8221; and binder based due to the attoney involvement.  South Jersey had a hybrid of the two.</p>
<p>I clearly expected more to happen in ten years with regard to change.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathleen Collins</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/07/17/you-have-to-wonder/#comment-10238</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathleen Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating thread going here (thanks &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/?p=1440&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sellsius&lt;/a&gt; for drawing our attention back to this &quot;debate&quot;). Like seattleeric, I&#039;m in my second year of being a full-time Realtor, so enjoy discussions such as this to get a better, 360 view of the business.

I find it amusing that discussion has come to the idea that the seller is paying the commissions, so everyone is essentially working for the seller. Maybe it&#039;s just a Western concept, but here a buyer&#039;s agent had &lt;i&gt;better&lt;/i&gt; be representing the buyer in every way possible. And, by the way, who is &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; shelling out the money? The buyer, of course. Greg Swann addresses just this issue in today&#039;s article of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloodhoundrealty.com/BloodhoundBlog/?p=116&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Arizona Republic&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating thread going here (thanks <a href="http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/?p=1440" rel="nofollow">sellsius</a> for drawing our attention back to this &#8220;debate&#8221;). Like seattleeric, I&#8217;m in my second year of being a full-time Realtor, so enjoy discussions such as this to get a better, 360 view of the business.</p>
<p>I find it amusing that discussion has come to the idea that the seller is paying the commissions, so everyone is essentially working for the seller. Maybe it&#8217;s just a Western concept, but here a buyer&#8217;s agent had <i>better</i> be representing the buyer in every way possible. And, by the way, who is <i>really</i> shelling out the money? The buyer, of course. Greg Swann addresses just this issue in today&#8217;s article of the <a href="http://www.bloodhoundrealty.com/BloodhoundBlog/?p=116" rel="nofollow">Arizona Republic</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: sellsius° real estate blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Organized Real Estate?</title>
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		<dc:creator>sellsius° real estate blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Organized Real Estate?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Everyone should take a look at this great conversation going on here on the Rain City Guide. [...]</description>
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