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		<title>By: Project planning in the real estate industry: Putting the client first . . . &#124; BloodhoundBlog &#124; The weblog of BloodhoundRealty.com in Phoenix, Arizona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Project planning in the real estate industry: Putting the client first . . . &#124; BloodhoundBlog &#124; The weblog of BloodhoundRealty.com in Phoenix, Arizona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 17:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ardell DellaLoggia often discusses the fact that she negotiates her commission up front, and I think she is certainly going in the right direction. I just haven&#8217;t figured out how to handle situations where the co-broke is less than the client has agreed to pay for my services. If Ardell ever comes to Phoenix, I would love to take her out for Margaritas and pick her brain&#8230; ahh, that brings back some other fond memories of Project Management&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ardell DellaLoggia often discusses the fact that she negotiates her commission up front, and I think she is certainly going in the right direction. I just haven&#8217;t figured out how to handle situations where the co-broke is less than the client has agreed to pay for my services. If Ardell ever comes to Phoenix, I would love to take her out for Margaritas and pick her brain&#8230; ahh, that brings back some other fond memories of Project Management&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/08/01/the-ideal-business-plan/#comment-10656</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 18:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick,

Sometimes good clients do take a lot of time, simply because their needs and circumstances are more complex.

A &quot;good client&quot; can be buying a condo in Juanita for $175,000 and who takes 3 months to do it.  A &quot;not good client&quot; can be someone with two million dollars to spend who wants to treat me like a gopher and find something worth three million that he can &quot;steal&quot; for two million.

Good clients come in all shapes, sizes and income brackets.  They can take a year to fulfill their objective or a few days.  Good clients are ones where the client and I have a good, open and honest relationship.  

As to your comment that agents don&#039;t &quot;understand the concept of advertising and farming&quot;...I suggest that TOO MANY understand the concept of MAKING MONEY and NOT ENOUGH understand the concept of what they do for a living.  

There are LITERALLY NO...NO...NONE...NADA....ZIPPO classes on how to BE A GOOD AGENT!  They are all about how to make more money!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>Sometimes good clients do take a lot of time, simply because their needs and circumstances are more complex.</p>
<p>A &#8220;good client&#8221; can be buying a condo in Juanita for $175,000 and who takes 3 months to do it.  A &#8220;not good client&#8221; can be someone with two million dollars to spend who wants to treat me like a gopher and find something worth three million that he can &#8220;steal&#8221; for two million.</p>
<p>Good clients come in all shapes, sizes and income brackets.  They can take a year to fulfill their objective or a few days.  Good clients are ones where the client and I have a good, open and honest relationship.  </p>
<p>As to your comment that agents don&#8217;t &#8220;understand the concept of advertising and farming&#8221;&#8230;I suggest that TOO MANY understand the concept of MAKING MONEY and NOT ENOUGH understand the concept of what they do for a living.  </p>
<p>There are LITERALLY NO&#8230;NO&#8230;NONE&#8230;NADA&#8230;.ZIPPO classes on how to BE A GOOD AGENT!  They are all about how to make more money!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick F.</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/08/01/the-ideal-business-plan/#comment-10652</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trouble with averages is that it takes into account the very low and the very high. Most agents are barely doing a few deals a year, because they got the license for part time friend/family work. Of the remaining agents who want a serious business, most don&#039;t have the skill, discipline and techinical knowledge to make it. Others don&#039;t understand the concept of advertising and farming. What we end up with is a top 10% or fewer agents who do 90% of the volume.

Here&#039;s how it breaks down in Austin, TX. Average home is $180k. At 3% commission and 20% broker split (for me at least), I can make $207k gross, before expenses, with just 4 deals a month. That&#039;s reasonable volume. The trick is to work efficiently, by being selective about time-wasters and focusing on good clients, as well as recognizning that old school prospecting methods such as cold calling and door-knocking are now officially worthless. Internet marketing is much cheaper and a more effective use of your time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble with averages is that it takes into account the very low and the very high. Most agents are barely doing a few deals a year, because they got the license for part time friend/family work. Of the remaining agents who want a serious business, most don&#8217;t have the skill, discipline and techinical knowledge to make it. Others don&#8217;t understand the concept of advertising and farming. What we end up with is a top 10% or fewer agents who do 90% of the volume.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s how it breaks down in Austin, TX. Average home is $180k. At 3% commission and 20% broker split (for me at least), I can make $207k gross, before expenses, with just 4 deals a month. That&#8217;s reasonable volume. The trick is to work efficiently, by being selective about time-wasters and focusing on good clients, as well as recognizning that old school prospecting methods such as cold calling and door-knocking are now officially worthless. Internet marketing is much cheaper and a more effective use of your time.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlow Harris</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/08/01/the-ideal-business-plan/#comment-10650</link>
		<dc:creator>Marlow Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According the the National Association of Realtors, the average income for Realtors in 2004 was $49,300.  The U.S. Dept. of Labor and Industries shows average gross pay of $52,090 for agents on the whole.  This is gross and this is before taxes, health insurance, business expenses, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According the the National Association of Realtors, the average income for Realtors in 2004 was $49,300.  The U.S. Dept. of Labor and Industries shows average gross pay of $52,090 for agents on the whole.  This is gross and this is before taxes, health insurance, business expenses, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/08/01/the-ideal-business-plan/#comment-10636</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 07:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russ,

When an agent passes 36 transactions in a year&#039;s time, they need to hire an assistant.  Then they need to make a whole lot more to break even after the cost of the assistant.  Managing expenses is better business than stacking up more and more clients, until none of them is getting what they are paying for.

What the agent &quot;takes home&quot; has to do with how many dollars they shell out, and to whom.  Way to many, spend way to much, and delegate &quot;agency level&quot; tasks, that should not be delegated, to people who make $15 an hour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ,</p>
<p>When an agent passes 36 transactions in a year&#8217;s time, they need to hire an assistant.  Then they need to make a whole lot more to break even after the cost of the assistant.  Managing expenses is better business than stacking up more and more clients, until none of them is getting what they are paying for.</p>
<p>What the agent &#8220;takes home&#8221; has to do with how many dollars they shell out, and to whom.  Way to many, spend way to much, and delegate &#8220;agency level&#8221; tasks, that should not be delegated, to people who make $15 an hour.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Cofano</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/08/01/the-ideal-business-plan/#comment-10635</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ Cofano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am also in agreement with your philosophy.  My point was only that the economics of the business mixed with the number of agents chasing deals may not make it so easy to buy into the philosophy.  

Also, an agent that is &quot;making&quot; gross commission dollars of 100K is taking home a lot less than 100K when all is said and done.  

-Russ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also in agreement with your philosophy.  My point was only that the economics of the business mixed with the number of agents chasing deals may not make it so easy to buy into the philosophy.  </p>
<p>Also, an agent that is &#8220;making&#8221; gross commission dollars of 100K is taking home a lot less than 100K when all is said and done.  </p>
<p>-Russ</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Swann</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/08/01/the-ideal-business-plan/#comment-10634</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Swann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 03:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wth Ardell on this. We believe in taking care of people, no matter what the consequences. But if you take care of people, they&#039;ll take care of you. One person telling a happy story over and over -- &quot;I can&#039;t &lt;i&gt;believe&lt;/i&gt; what they did for us!&quot; -- is worth thousands of dollars in advertising. We do well by doing good -- but we do good regardless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wth Ardell on this. We believe in taking care of people, no matter what the consequences. But if you take care of people, they&#8217;ll take care of you. One person telling a happy story over and over &#8212; &#8220;I can&#8217;t <i>believe</i> what they did for us!&#8221; &#8212; is worth thousands of dollars in advertising. We do well by doing good &#8212; but we do good regardless.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/08/01/the-ideal-business-plan/#comment-10633</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 23:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russ,

Last night, I checked the average sales price of homes sold last week in Bellevue, Kirkland and Redmond  and it was more like $650,000.  So using $9,000 per side is very conservative.

Tacoma agents may average less per sale, but they probably also live in Tacoma, so their own mortgage payment is more like that of their clients.  Not every agent in the country has a six figure income cost of living.  

Is it your presumption that every single real estate agent in the country needs to make six figures, when their average client may make half of that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ,</p>
<p>Last night, I checked the average sales price of homes sold last week in Bellevue, Kirkland and Redmond  and it was more like $650,000.  So using $9,000 per side is very conservative.</p>
<p>Tacoma agents may average less per sale, but they probably also live in Tacoma, so their own mortgage payment is more like that of their clients.  Not every agent in the country has a six figure income cost of living.  </p>
<p>Is it your presumption that every single real estate agent in the country needs to make six figures, when their average client may make half of that?</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/08/01/the-ideal-business-plan/#comment-10632</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 23:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russ,

Remember that in areas where the price of homes is lower, the cost of living is lower as well.  There is no ONE business plan for every real estate market.  I have sold in seven different real estate markets ranging from averaging $4,000 per sale to averaging $21,000 per sale. 

Also, the more I make on a sale, the more time I spend on that transaction.  Getting a 4,500 square foot home &quot;Positioned To Sell&quot; takes a lot longer than getting an 870 square foot condo &quot;positioned to sell&quot;.

It can&#039;t be all about what the agent &quot;needs to make&quot;.  It has to be a fair price for the job at hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ,</p>
<p>Remember that in areas where the price of homes is lower, the cost of living is lower as well.  There is no ONE business plan for every real estate market.  I have sold in seven different real estate markets ranging from averaging $4,000 per sale to averaging $21,000 per sale. </p>
<p>Also, the more I make on a sale, the more time I spend on that transaction.  Getting a 4,500 square foot home &#8220;Positioned To Sell&#8221; takes a lot longer than getting an 870 square foot condo &#8220;positioned to sell&#8221;.</p>
<p>It can&#8217;t be all about what the agent &#8220;needs to make&#8221;.  It has to be a fair price for the job at hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Tarson</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/08/01/the-ideal-business-plan/#comment-10630</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Tarson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dig it Ardell.  I&#039;ve actually limited the amount of clients I work with in order to offer excellent service and representation.  However the median price in my market is barely 200K so I haven&#039;t cracked 100K in income, but I&#039;m not sour about it.

I think if more agents followed your lead that they&#039;d be happier, and as a result clients would be better served.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dig it Ardell.  I&#8217;ve actually limited the amount of clients I work with in order to offer excellent service and representation.  However the median price in my market is barely 200K so I haven&#8217;t cracked 100K in income, but I&#8217;m not sour about it.</p>
<p>I think if more agents followed your lead that they&#8217;d be happier, and as a result clients would be better served.</p>
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