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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/09/07/more-bed-hopping-with-the-competition/#comment-16819</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robbie and Mike,

Actually if you connect &quot;median average housing type&quot; to &quot;median average price&quot; it happens to work, at least at the moment in Seattle and on the Eastside.  That the median price doesn&#039;t fit what you personally want, doesn&#039;t mean it doesn&#039;t fit the median housing decision...just not your decision of what you want to purchase.

If you want &quot;starter housing&quot; as in a condo at $175,000, that would be below the median.  If you want a starter townhome or single family attached dwelling, then you would at or below the median.  If you want a great condo or townhome or a starter detached single family home, then you will be at or above the median, with the sky the limit.

So if the median prices is $436,000, then yes, you can get a nice townhome on either side of the Lake, and that is a median house type choice.  &quot;Median housing type&quot; is not a four bedroom single family home, it s a townhome or single family attached or starter single family detached.

So just match your median price to median type and it makes more sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robbie and Mike,</p>
<p>Actually if you connect &#8220;median average housing type&#8221; to &#8220;median average price&#8221; it happens to work, at least at the moment in Seattle and on the Eastside.  That the median price doesn&#8217;t fit what you personally want, doesn&#8217;t mean it doesn&#8217;t fit the median housing decision&#8230;just not your decision of what you want to purchase.</p>
<p>If you want &#8220;starter housing&#8221; as in a condo at $175,000, that would be below the median.  If you want a starter townhome or single family attached dwelling, then you would at or below the median.  If you want a great condo or townhome or a starter detached single family home, then you will be at or above the median, with the sky the limit.</p>
<p>So if the median prices is $436,000, then yes, you can get a nice townhome on either side of the Lake, and that is a median house type choice.  &#8220;Median housing type&#8221; is not a four bedroom single family home, it s a townhome or single family attached or starter single family detached.</p>
<p>So just match your median price to median type and it makes more sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Benson</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/09/07/more-bed-hopping-with-the-competition/#comment-16808</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

If you use NWMLS data in your stats what permission do you have to sell the data (i.e. in your reports)?  Does anyone who signs up for your service have to have a download agreement with the mls?  We have customers who would be interested in your service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>If you use NWMLS data in your stats what permission do you have to sell the data (i.e. in your reports)?  Does anyone who signs up for your service have to have a download agreement with the mls?  We have customers who would be interested in your service.</p>
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		<title>By: mike simonsen</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/09/07/more-bed-hopping-with-the-competition/#comment-16804</link>
		<dc:creator>mike simonsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, Robbie, indeed.

What real meaning does a &quot;median price&quot; have in a city like Seattle? It&#039;s the middle. Umm so what? There are thousands of homes for sale.  How&#039;s your neighborhood? What&#039;s your price range? Is there a lot on the market? Are they moving quickly? Is Microsoft (or Zillow) hiring?

The price chart always grabs the headline, but to the real data hounds, it&#039;s ultimately unsatisfying. We use dozens of metrics to bring understanding to a market. It narrows our target customers a bit, but feeds our soul better ;-)

btw. here&#039;s a prediction for you.  In the next few months you&#039;ll see the zillow chart crest as its data catches up to what&#039;s happening now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, Robbie, indeed.</p>
<p>What real meaning does a &#8220;median price&#8221; have in a city like Seattle? It&#8217;s the middle. Umm so what? There are thousands of homes for sale.  How&#8217;s your neighborhood? What&#8217;s your price range? Is there a lot on the market? Are they moving quickly? Is Microsoft (or Zillow) hiring?</p>
<p>The price chart always grabs the headline, but to the real data hounds, it&#8217;s ultimately unsatisfying. We use dozens of metrics to bring understanding to a market. It narrows our target customers a bit, but feeds our soul better <img src='http://raincityguide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>btw. here&#8217;s a prediction for you.  In the next few months you&#8217;ll see the zillow chart crest as its data catches up to what&#8217;s happening now.</p>
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		<title>By: The Tim</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/09/07/more-bed-hopping-with-the-competition/#comment-16800</link>
		<dc:creator>The Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ardell, 
 
Dustin&#039;s explanation is correct.  Tim Kane posts on Seattle Bubble under the name &quot;S Crow.&quot;  All of his posts have a dashed outline box around them, in addition to the usual &quot;posted by S Crow&quot; at the bottom of the post.  If I had more than two contributors, I&#039;d likely move to a format similar to RCG, with the poster&#039;s pic at the top of the post eliminating any question.  I&#039;ve been thinking maybe I should add the &quot;posted by&quot; part just under the headline for additional clarity.  I appreciate you pointing out the confusion. 
 
Dustin, 
 
Thank you for the kind words.  I respect all the hard work you&#039;ve put into making RCG what it is, and I look forward to the continued success of RCG and SB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardell, </p>
<p>Dustin&#8217;s explanation is correct.  Tim Kane posts on Seattle Bubble under the name &#8220;S Crow.&#8221;  All of his posts have a dashed outline box around them, in addition to the usual &#8220;posted by S Crow&#8221; at the bottom of the post.  If I had more than two contributors, I&#8217;d likely move to a format similar to RCG, with the poster&#8217;s pic at the top of the post eliminating any question.  I&#8217;ve been thinking maybe I should add the &#8220;posted by&#8221; part just under the headline for additional clarity.  I appreciate you pointing out the confusion. </p>
<p>Dustin, </p>
<p>Thank you for the kind words.  I respect all the hard work you&#8217;ve put into making RCG what it is, and I look forward to the continued success of RCG and SB.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Goyer</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/09/07/more-bed-hopping-with-the-competition/#comment-16777</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Goyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry, I&#039;ll keep up blogging about new construction and urban stuff on my own blog. Though I am looking forward to being able to talk about new Redfin product developments on the Redfin blog! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry, I&#8217;ll keep up blogging about new construction and urban stuff on my own blog. Though I am looking forward to being able to talk about new Redfin product developments on the Redfin blog! <img src='http://raincityguide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI - I love what Altos is doing, except it reminds of the quote usually attributed to Mark Twain &quot;there&#039;s lies, damned lies, and statistics&quot;.

Zillow says the median price of Seattle real estate is about $436K.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://rpa.caffeinatedsoftware.com/Images/Zindex.aspx?&amp;city=Seattle&amp;state=WA&amp;width=240&amp;height=160&quot; /&gt;

Altos Research says the median price is about $479K.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.altosresearch.com/altos/app?s=median&amp;ra=c&amp;q=a&amp;st=WA&amp;cid=1295&amp;z=a&amp;sz=s&amp;ts=e&amp;service=chart&amp;pai=123456&quot; /&gt;

And Caffeinated Software&#039;s NWMLS database says the median price for a single family home in Seattle is $499,500.

So many cool charts, so little good data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI &#8211; I love what Altos is doing, except it reminds of the quote usually attributed to Mark Twain &#8220;there&#8217;s lies, damned lies, and statistics&#8221;.</p>
<p>Zillow says the median price of Seattle real estate is about $436K.</p>
<p><img src="http://rpa.caffeinatedsoftware.com/Images/Zindex.aspx?&#038;city=Seattle&#038;state=WA&#038;width=240&#038;height=160" /></p>
<p>Altos Research says the median price is about $479K.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.altosresearch.com/altos/app?s=median&#038;ra=c&#038;q=a&#038;st=WA&#038;cid=1295&#038;z=a&#038;sz=s&#038;ts=e&#038;service=chart&#038;pai=123456" /></p>
<p>And Caffeinated Software&#8217;s NWMLS database says the median price for a single family home in Seattle is $499,500.</p>
<p>So many cool charts, so little good data.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Burslem</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/09/07/more-bed-hopping-with-the-competition/#comment-16773</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Burslem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Homethinking overhaul was a good effort, but ultimately I think Niki has strayed too far from their original focus, which was and should be finding and ranking Realtors... I find their new map with all the property listings distracts from that goal. I do love the Altos Research data though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Homethinking overhaul was a good effort, but ultimately I think Niki has strayed too far from their original focus, which was and should be finding and ranking Realtors&#8230; I find their new map with all the property listings distracts from that goal. I do love the Altos Research data though!</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/09/07/more-bed-hopping-with-the-competition/#comment-16771</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ardell, 

I&#039;m not positive, but I think they are two different people.  :) 

Both Tim Ellis (The Tim) and Tim Kane write for the bubble blog. Tim Kane is also a contributor to RCG.  In reading &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattlebubble.blogspot.com/2006/09/11pm-news-fiscal-responsibility-is.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the bubble post I think you are referring to&lt;/a&gt;, I noticed that Tim Kane wrote that article under the name &quot;S Crow&quot;.    I&#039;ve noticed that Tim Kane likes to shake things up a bit, so that would likely explain his numerous pen names. :)

Does that help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardell, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not positive, but I think they are two different people.  <img src='http://raincityguide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Both Tim Ellis (The Tim) and Tim Kane write for the bubble blog. Tim Kane is also a contributor to RCG.  In reading <a href="http://seattlebubble.blogspot.com/2006/09/11pm-news-fiscal-responsibility-is.html" rel="nofollow">the bubble post I think you are referring to</a>, I noticed that Tim Kane wrote that article under the name &#8220;S Crow&#8221;.    I&#8217;ve noticed that Tim Kane likes to shake things up a bit, so that would likely explain his numerous pen names. <img src='http://raincityguide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Does that help?</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/09/07/more-bed-hopping-with-the-competition/#comment-16769</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is simply the way the article is written, with no intro.  Bubble Tim is posting an Escrow Tim post, under Bubble Tim&#039;s headline.

http://seattlebubble.blogspot.com/2006/09/11pm-news-fiscal-responsibility-is.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is simply the way the article is written, with no intro.  Bubble Tim is posting an Escrow Tim post, under Bubble Tim&#8217;s headline.</p>
<p><a href="http://seattlebubble.blogspot.com/2006/09/11pm-news-fiscal-responsibility-is.html" rel="nofollow">http://seattlebubble.blogspot.com/2006/09/11pm-news-fiscal-responsibility-is.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/09/07/more-bed-hopping-with-the-competition/#comment-16768</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m confused.  I followed the link and &quot;Tim Ellis&quot; of the Bubble Blog says &quot;his wife&quot; wrote an article on RainCityGuide.  Is Tim the escrow guy the same Tim as the Bubble guy?  I thought one was Tim Ellis and the other was Tim Kane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused.  I followed the link and &#8220;Tim Ellis&#8221; of the Bubble Blog says &#8220;his wife&#8221; wrote an article on RainCityGuide.  Is Tim the escrow guy the same Tim as the Bubble guy?  I thought one was Tim Ellis and the other was Tim Kane.</p>
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