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		<title>By: RealEstateUndressed &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nominee: Magnificent 7: Ardell DellaLoggia:</title>
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		<dc:creator>RealEstateUndressed &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nominee: Magnificent 7: Ardell DellaLoggia:</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 06:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bean,

Never said I don&#039;t like it in Seattle.  I have spent the majority of my life in the PNW and likely will remain at least on the west coast if I can.  The point is that there are many who don&#039;t see Seattle as the best city in the world as many here like to think of it.

20,000 in 5 years is actually for King County from the Census bureau.  And its actually more like 18,000.

Pop. 2000 - 1,737,034
Pop. 2005 - 1,755,818

Doesn&#039;t seem like a significant increase to me.  Not when you compare it to other cities faced with massive immigration such as Houston, Phoenix, San Diego, LA, etc.  

The logic is that people would have you believe that Seattle is running out of land, that there are only so many houses available for all these people moving into the area.  When in reality, there aren&#039;t really that many people moving into Seattle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bean,</p>
<p>Never said I don&#8217;t like it in Seattle.  I have spent the majority of my life in the PNW and likely will remain at least on the west coast if I can.  The point is that there are many who don&#8217;t see Seattle as the best city in the world as many here like to think of it.</p>
<p>20,000 in 5 years is actually for King County from the Census bureau.  And its actually more like 18,000.</p>
<p>Pop. 2000 &#8211; 1,737,034<br />
Pop. 2005 &#8211; 1,755,818</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t seem like a significant increase to me.  Not when you compare it to other cities faced with massive immigration such as Houston, Phoenix, San Diego, LA, etc.  </p>
<p>The logic is that people would have you believe that Seattle is running out of land, that there are only so many houses available for all these people moving into the area.  When in reality, there aren&#8217;t really that many people moving into Seattle.</p>
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		<title>By: bean</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/10/25/buying-wisely-in-any-market/#comment-26188</link>
		<dc:creator>bean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew
Sorry you don&#039;t like it here, I hope you&#039;re able to find a way out!  

But be careful with demographic figures.  You might think an increase in population of &quot;only&quot; 20,000 in Seattle means it is undesirable to live here (I don&#039;t get the logic there, by the way -- that is a healthy increase in population!).  But compare that with the net *drop* in population in San Francisco in the same time period of 50,000 people.  I guess by your logic San Francisco must be a horrible place!  Of course the reality is that people are leaving San Francisco because of the high cost of living -- not because it&#039;s undesirable.  If the median home in Seattle cost $800K, I&#039;m sure we&#039;d be seeing a population drop here, too.  
The income figures come from Claritas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew<br />
Sorry you don&#8217;t like it here, I hope you&#8217;re able to find a way out!  </p>
<p>But be careful with demographic figures.  You might think an increase in population of &#8220;only&#8221; 20,000 in Seattle means it is undesirable to live here (I don&#8217;t get the logic there, by the way &#8212; that is a healthy increase in population!).  But compare that with the net *drop* in population in San Francisco in the same time period of 50,000 people.  I guess by your logic San Francisco must be a horrible place!  Of course the reality is that people are leaving San Francisco because of the high cost of living &#8212; not because it&#8217;s undesirable.  If the median home in Seattle cost $800K, I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;d be seeing a population drop here, too.<br />
The income figures come from Claritas.</p>
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		<title>By: Will W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amusing to think that just 3 yrs ago, a school teacher (generally earning close to the median income w/masters in Ed) could afford a small SFH or a condo with just $50K down.  

Now?  Not even close.  I certainly hope anyone with kids is counseling them against going into a low paid profession like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amusing to think that just 3 yrs ago, a school teacher (generally earning close to the median income w/masters in Ed) could afford a small SFH or a condo with just $50K down.  </p>
<p>Now?  Not even close.  I certainly hope anyone with kids is counseling them against going into a low paid profession like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/10/25/buying-wisely-in-any-market/#comment-26180</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bean,

BTW, where did you get 2006 median income figures from?</description>
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<p>BTW, where did you get 2006 median income figures from?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bean,

If Seattle is such a &quot;desirable&quot; place to live, why has the population basically been stagnant since 2000-2005?  A net migration of only 20,000 people. 

I think it is &quot;desirable&quot; for people who are from the PNW, but most of my office consists of people that were hired after 9/11/2001 and hired from outside of this area.  Most of them are trying to get out of Seattle.  The only people in my office that want to stay here, are people from the PNW.  The transplants from the Mid-West don&#039;t find Seattle &quot;affordable&quot; by any means, nor do the people in my office from the South and Southwest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bean,</p>
<p>If Seattle is such a &#8220;desirable&#8221; place to live, why has the population basically been stagnant since 2000-2005?  A net migration of only 20,000 people. </p>
<p>I think it is &#8220;desirable&#8221; for people who are from the PNW, but most of my office consists of people that were hired after 9/11/2001 and hired from outside of this area.  Most of them are trying to get out of Seattle.  The only people in my office that want to stay here, are people from the PNW.  The transplants from the Mid-West don&#8217;t find Seattle &#8220;affordable&#8221; by any means, nor do the people in my office from the South and Southwest.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bean,

Like I said before, both San Fran and NYC are inflated in housing values.  Comparing NYC to Seattle is like apples to oranges considering the population density of Manhattan.  I&#039;ve lived in NYC and trust me, Seattle is no NYC.

San Fran is probably a little bit better comparison.  I have a sister that lives there, and it is extremely overpriced.  That just means their market has further to tumble than ours does, it does not mean that our market will not correct itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bean,</p>
<p>Like I said before, both San Fran and NYC are inflated in housing values.  Comparing NYC to Seattle is like apples to oranges considering the population density of Manhattan.  I&#8217;ve lived in NYC and trust me, Seattle is no NYC.</p>
<p>San Fran is probably a little bit better comparison.  I have a sister that lives there, and it is extremely overpriced.  That just means their market has further to tumble than ours does, it does not mean that our market will not correct itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/10/25/buying-wisely-in-any-market/#comment-26171</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ardell,

Who then is going to buy high end houses if people stop making such a huge profit on houses sold?  If this market does plateau, and we stop seeing such a dramatic increase in equity, who is going to be buying 750,000 dollar houses?  

If the market takes a small dip, wouldn&#039;t that lead to a larger dip, considering people might actually lose some equity?  Like I said before, 2007 will be an interesting year to see how all of this plays out.  I&#039;d rather be on the sidelines than to buy right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardell,</p>
<p>Who then is going to buy high end houses if people stop making such a huge profit on houses sold?  If this market does plateau, and we stop seeing such a dramatic increase in equity, who is going to be buying 750,000 dollar houses?  </p>
<p>If the market takes a small dip, wouldn&#8217;t that lead to a larger dip, considering people might actually lose some equity?  Like I said before, 2007 will be an interesting year to see how all of this plays out.  I&#8217;d rather be on the sidelines than to buy right now.</p>
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		<title>By: bean</title>
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		<dc:creator>bean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew
That&#039;s kind of what I mean about people have misperceptions about Seattle.  I suppose you can say the median hhld income is &quot;much higher&quot; in San Francisco (34%), but what is the difference in median home price?  And NYC?  The median income for Manhattan is 6% higher.   I would guess that both San Francisco city and Manhattan have median home prices about 80-100% higher than Seattle city.  So when I say Seattle is inexpensive in comparison, that&#039;s what I mean.  I realize Seattle is not a &quot;big city&quot; in terms of population.  What I meant was it is not some backwater where you can expect a bargain.  It is a very desirable place to live with a well-paid &amp; highly educated population.

2006 median household income:

Manhattan: $53K
San Francisco (city): $67K
Seattle (city): $50K</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew<br />
That&#8217;s kind of what I mean about people have misperceptions about Seattle.  I suppose you can say the median hhld income is &#8220;much higher&#8221; in San Francisco (34%), but what is the difference in median home price?  And NYC?  The median income for Manhattan is 6% higher.   I would guess that both San Francisco city and Manhattan have median home prices about 80-100% higher than Seattle city.  So when I say Seattle is inexpensive in comparison, that&#8217;s what I mean.  I realize Seattle is not a &#8220;big city&#8221; in terms of population.  What I meant was it is not some backwater where you can expect a bargain.  It is a very desirable place to live with a well-paid &amp; highly educated population.</p>
<p>2006 median household income:</p>
<p>Manhattan: $53K<br />
San Francisco (city): $67K<br />
Seattle (city): $50K</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will,

I have to admit that buying this house with zero down was one of the whackiest things I&#039;ve ever done.  Should the lenders have let me do that?  Absolutley not :-)  So far I&#039;m holding my own after the divorce, but I can tell you it is not easy.  At times it has been very difficult maintaining my ethical standards to never rush someone or push someone to purchase, no matter how much I need the money.

I remember telling my partner that I will lose the house before I twist someone&#039;s arm to purchase.  He looked at me like I was nuts.  Maybe I am ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will,</p>
<p>I have to admit that buying this house with zero down was one of the whackiest things I&#8217;ve ever done.  Should the lenders have let me do that?  Absolutley not <img src='http://raincityguide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   So far I&#8217;m holding my own after the divorce, but I can tell you it is not easy.  At times it has been very difficult maintaining my ethical standards to never rush someone or push someone to purchase, no matter how much I need the money.</p>
<p>I remember telling my partner that I will lose the house before I twist someone&#8217;s arm to purchase.  He looked at me like I was nuts.  Maybe I am <img src='http://raincityguide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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