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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/11/25/for-sale-by-owner/#comment-320593</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colleen,

It is your agent who would be due the commission and your agent who would have to pay the agent of those two buyers, not you.  So sending them to their agent isn&#039;t the answer.  You need to talk to your agent OR have an attorney look at your contract to see if you might have to pay a commission after you close with a buyer thinking you have no commission to pay.

We can&#039;t tell you what is in your contract.  Usually there is a &quot;protection period&quot; in a listing contract to prevent a buyer and seller from coming together during the contract, and then cancelling it so they can go around the agent(s).  Basically you told us your agent worked for eight months (during the worst market) and now that the market is finally a little better and it looks like the property can finally be sold, you want to do it without the agent who worked for you for eight months.

Why are you not asking your own agent what would be appropriate in this case?  Listing agreements are usually one page long not counting the input data.  Two pages at most.  If you don&#039;t understand what it says, it can&#039;t cost much to bring it to an attorney.

I can only assume that you and your agent did not part on good terms.  You can always call the broker of that company, if you don&#039;t want to speak with the agent you had for 8 months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colleen,</p>
<p>It is your agent who would be due the commission and your agent who would have to pay the agent of those two buyers, not you.  So sending them to their agent isn&#8217;t the answer.  You need to talk to your agent OR have an attorney look at your contract to see if you might have to pay a commission after you close with a buyer thinking you have no commission to pay.</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t tell you what is in your contract.  Usually there is a &#8220;protection period&#8221; in a listing contract to prevent a buyer and seller from coming together during the contract, and then cancelling it so they can go around the agent(s).  Basically you told us your agent worked for eight months (during the worst market) and now that the market is finally a little better and it looks like the property can finally be sold, you want to do it without the agent who worked for you for eight months.</p>
<p>Why are you not asking your own agent what would be appropriate in this case?  Listing agreements are usually one page long not counting the input data.  Two pages at most.  If you don&#8217;t understand what it says, it can&#8217;t cost much to bring it to an attorney.</p>
<p>I can only assume that you and your agent did not part on good terms.  You can always call the broker of that company, if you don&#8217;t want to speak with the agent you had for 8 months.</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/11/25/for-sale-by-owner/#comment-320579</link>
		<dc:creator>Colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to honor our contract. I have already told one guy who I know our agent showed him the house many times that his offer needs to be done through the agent, and I told the another couple who had there agent show them the house that they needed to discuss this with their agent.  The potential buyer I am working with myself didn;t see the house with any one but me.  Do I have wait to sell it? What if someone wants to be shown the house and doesn&#039;t tell me they have already seen it with an agents?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to honor our contract. I have already told one guy who I know our agent showed him the house many times that his offer needs to be done through the agent, and I told the another couple who had there agent show them the house that they needed to discuss this with their agent.  The potential buyer I am working with myself didn;t see the house with any one but me.  Do I have wait to sell it? What if someone wants to be shown the house and doesn&#8217;t tell me they have already seen it with an agents?</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/11/25/for-sale-by-owner/#comment-320567</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 05:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The buyers may or may not have obligations to the agents they were working with.  It depends if they were in contract or not.    Generally speaking if they were shown the properties just a few days before it expired, it doesn&#039;t seem right to cut everyone out.  I&#039;m sure none of my clients would proceed without me.

Consumers are not subject to mls &quot;rules&quot; nor are their laws on the subject.  Your listing contract would decide.  Sometimes there is wording covering a short period of time after the expiration date.  Clearly if someone saw it the day before it expired and the reason you know they are interest is a result of the showing from when it ws on market, you shouldn&#039;t be looking for a reason not to pay as you promised when you put the property in the mls.  But most times, I don&#039;t think you have to care about those who worked for you in good faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The buyers may or may not have obligations to the agents they were working with.  It depends if they were in contract or not.    Generally speaking if they were shown the properties just a few days before it expired, it doesn&#8217;t seem right to cut everyone out.  I&#8217;m sure none of my clients would proceed without me.</p>
<p>Consumers are not subject to mls &#8220;rules&#8221; nor are their laws on the subject.  Your listing contract would decide.  Sometimes there is wording covering a short period of time after the expiration date.  Clearly if someone saw it the day before it expired and the reason you know they are interest is a result of the showing from when it ws on market, you shouldn&#8217;t be looking for a reason not to pay as you promised when you put the property in the mls.  But most times, I don&#8217;t think you have to care about those who worked for you in good faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/11/25/for-sale-by-owner/#comment-320561</link>
		<dc:creator>Colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 04:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the rules/law about FSBO after the listing is expired? Our house was on the market for 8months and now I would like to try and sell it myself. I have 2 potential buyers that are interested but they were shown the house by agents earlier.  What are the obiligations to commisions for that agent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the rules/law about FSBO after the listing is expired? Our house was on the market for 8months and now I would like to try and sell it myself. I have 2 potential buyers that are interested but they were shown the house by agents earlier.  What are the obiligations to commisions for that agent?</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/11/25/for-sale-by-owner/#comment-40983</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all the years I&#039;ve been an agent, I have printed out all comparable sales and shown the owner what those that have sold have offered.  This way &quot;if what the market will bear&quot; in terms of what agents will &quot;accept&quot; changes, I&#039;m not quoting some fixed percentage.

From what I can see, 2.5% works just as well as 3%, unless the home isn&#039;t comparable for some reason to those who sold with that offering.  If everyone started offering 2.5% then maybe 2% would work in the future.  

I haven&#039;t seen offering a higher amount compensate for property weaknesses...nor should it.  As to the &quot;A to Z&quot; LOL, I didn&#039;t invent the alphabet, so didn&#039;t attribute your A to Z to &quot;copying&quot; me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all the years I&#8217;ve been an agent, I have printed out all comparable sales and shown the owner what those that have sold have offered.  This way &#8220;if what the market will bear&#8221; in terms of what agents will &#8220;accept&#8221; changes, I&#8217;m not quoting some fixed percentage.</p>
<p>From what I can see, 2.5% works just as well as 3%, unless the home isn&#8217;t comparable for some reason to those who sold with that offering.  If everyone started offering 2.5% then maybe 2% would work in the future.  </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen offering a higher amount compensate for property weaknesses&#8230;nor should it.  As to the &#8220;A to Z&#8221; LOL, I didn&#8217;t invent the alphabet, so didn&#8217;t attribute your A to Z to &#8220;copying&#8221; me.</p>
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		<title>By: Deanna</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/11/25/for-sale-by-owner/#comment-40981</link>
		<dc:creator>Deanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You liked the A to Z I copied from your post?  Ha ha...  
Well, we do have all flat fees and we consider ourselves an advertising company.  We charge fees for the advertising and then direct them to other local resources if they need help with any other part of the transaction.  Listings are not automatically added to the MLS but do have that option.  
As far as agent fees.  We usually recommend all or nothing.  Either expect to pay %3 or don&#039;t expect an agent unless it&#039;s a higher end home.  We assume that since most houses will accept 3%, an agent will avoid showing one that doesn&#039;t.  What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You liked the A to Z I copied from your post?  Ha ha&#8230;<br />
Well, we do have all flat fees and we consider ourselves an advertising company.  We charge fees for the advertising and then direct them to other local resources if they need help with any other part of the transaction.  Listings are not automatically added to the MLS but do have that option.<br />
As far as agent fees.  We usually recommend all or nothing.  Either expect to pay %3 or don&#8217;t expect an agent unless it&#8217;s a higher end home.  We assume that since most houses will accept 3%, an agent will avoid showing one that doesn&#8217;t.  What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Tuesday Blogger Round Up &#187; The Real Estate Bloggers</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/11/25/for-sale-by-owner/#comment-40973</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuesday Blogger Round Up &#187; The Real Estate Bloggers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For Sale By Owner&#160; &#8211; The Rain&#160;City Guide&#8217;s&#160;Ardell tackles the tricks to a successful FSBO. Talk about a well rounded agent! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For Sale By Owner&nbsp; &ndash; The Rain&nbsp;City Guide&rsquo;s&nbsp;Ardell tackles the tricks to a successful FSBO. Talk about a well rounded agent! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/11/25/for-sale-by-owner/#comment-40964</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Deanna,

Like that A to Z post.  Are you a flat fee based listing company?  Do the listings also go into the mls?  Do owners have that option?  What is your advice to sellers regarding Buyer Agent Fees?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Deanna,</p>
<p>Like that A to Z post.  Are you a flat fee based listing company?  Do the listings also go into the mls?  Do owners have that option?  What is your advice to sellers regarding Buyer Agent Fees?</p>
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		<title>By: Deanna</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/11/25/for-sale-by-owner/#comment-40959</link>
		<dc:creator>Deanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ardell, I like reading your blog entries.  This one really caught my attention because I work with FSBOs over here on the East side of the state.  I&#039;m not an agent, I build websites for them.  We actually just started a FSBO blog at http://blog.spokanebyowner.com/.  It&#039;s helpful to hear your take on by owners.  Over here about half of our customers sell with a buyer&#039;s agent and the other half don&#039;t use an agent at all.  Of course, I think their success has to do with help pointing them to the right proffesionals (regarding Eileen&#039;s comment) and the amount of information on the websites we build (regarding Todd&#039;s comment).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardell, I like reading your blog entries.  This one really caught my attention because I work with FSBOs over here on the East side of the state.  I&#8217;m not an agent, I build websites for them.  We actually just started a FSBO blog at <a href="http://blog.spokanebyowner.com/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.spokanebyowner.com/</a>.  It&#8217;s helpful to hear your take on by owners.  Over here about half of our customers sell with a buyer&#8217;s agent and the other half don&#8217;t use an agent at all.  Of course, I think their success has to do with help pointing them to the right proffesionals (regarding Eileen&#8217;s comment) and the amount of information on the websites we build (regarding Todd&#8217;s comment).</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Tarson</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2006/11/25/for-sale-by-owner/#comment-40928</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Tarson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been toying with an idea for awhile now on how to offer some advice to unrepresented sellers.  To be clear, my market is different than yours in Washington.  Sales are down, the numbers don&#039;t lie.

I have a friend that is thinking about selling his home on his own.  He knows plenty of Realtors and doesn&#039;t want to choose one and risk any friendship with others (I told him that it wouldn&#039;t hurt my feelings at all if he choose a different representative than me).

But the advice I gave him was to put a tag line on his marketing that reads something along the lines of ... &quot;Buyers OR buyers designated broker recieve X% of sales price at closing.&quot;  The &#039;X%&#039; can be whatever my friend thinks is appropriate.

If he gets an unrepresented buyer, the buyer can use the funds in escrow to help with the lending or for down payment.  If my friend is met by a represented buyer then the broker will get paid.

Lastly if any of my friends other Realtor friends brings a buyer... then they get paid and no feelings are hurt.

I&#039;d offer this to any unrepresented seller as free information or a tip... no problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been toying with an idea for awhile now on how to offer some advice to unrepresented sellers.  To be clear, my market is different than yours in Washington.  Sales are down, the numbers don&#8217;t lie.</p>
<p>I have a friend that is thinking about selling his home on his own.  He knows plenty of Realtors and doesn&#8217;t want to choose one and risk any friendship with others (I told him that it wouldn&#8217;t hurt my feelings at all if he choose a different representative than me).</p>
<p>But the advice I gave him was to put a tag line on his marketing that reads something along the lines of &#8230; &#8220;Buyers OR buyers designated broker recieve X% of sales price at closing.&#8221;  The &#8216;X%&#8217; can be whatever my friend thinks is appropriate.</p>
<p>If he gets an unrepresented buyer, the buyer can use the funds in escrow to help with the lending or for down payment.  If my friend is met by a represented buyer then the broker will get paid.</p>
<p>Lastly if any of my friends other Realtor friends brings a buyer&#8230; then they get paid and no feelings are hurt.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d offer this to any unrepresented seller as free information or a tip&#8230; no problem.</p>
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