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		<title>By: Death by a thousand paper cuts &#124; Rain City Guide &#124; A Seattle Real Estate Blog...</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/01/10/redfin-vs-establishment/#comment-100983</link>
		<dc:creator>Death by a thousand paper cuts &#124; Rain City Guide &#124; A Seattle Real Estate Blog...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I keep waiting for RETS to save me from this madness, but until it happens in Seattle or the East Bay, I&#8217;m not holding my breath. After all, if two of the larger MLSes in the country in the two most tech savy areas of the nation don&#8217;t support it yet, I interpret it to be a vote of no confidence. I suppose, RETS could be going great guns in the rest of the country, but if it was, I&#8217;d expect the NWMLS &amp; EBRD to be all over it, like the establishment on Redfin. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I keep waiting for RETS to save me from this madness, but until it happens in Seattle or the East Bay, I&#8217;m not holding my breath. After all, if two of the larger MLSes in the country in the two most tech savy areas of the nation don&#8217;t support it yet, I interpret it to be a vote of no confidence. I suppose, RETS could be going great guns in the rest of the country, but if it was, I&#8217;d expect the NWMLS &#38; EBRD to be all over it, like the establishment on Redfin. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/01/10/redfin-vs-establishment/#comment-61938</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Marlow-

Good information. Hope the comment within the post didn&#039;t confuse people.  I have noticed via marketing materials that some agents have put their money where their mouth is.  Some indicate a specific monetary rebate if a client is not satisfied.   The idea of a large company Broker following the footsteps of one of their agents in participating within that same framework appears weak.  I don&#039;t know of any Brokers that would match their agents guarantee.  There may be some, but I am unaware. Nor have I seen an amended commission disbursement form sent to our office with a rebate going back to a consumer for a customer service satisfaction guarantee.    

I think service guarantees are week without specific benchmarks  in place.  For example, back when Lynlee (spouse) was working at Phoenix  Mortgage &amp; Escrow (very early 90&#039;s), they placed a specific dollar amount on their guarantee, no questions asked.  It places tremendous pressure on the LO&#039;s and staff to provide meaningful positive outcomes.

If large companies actually gave back a portion of the commission to unsatisfied clients I think a few things would happen.  First, you would have brokers and agents quickly resolving issues---client centered vs. in-fighting between brokers.  Secondly, brokers would be much more quick to let problem agents go rather than having them continue to operate in anonymity.  Third,it would produce huge strides in building and mending the fragile image within the real estate community.  

Offices can certainly work through difficult issues with an unhappy client who is on the surface satisfied with fixing the problem, but after the fact, still feeling that they didn&#039;t get a good return on their investment dollar.  Obviously, when you put money on the line, it changes everything.  In today&#039;s environment most agents work within an underlying theme of...if my clients are not satisfied, I&#039;m still getting paid---unless of course the consumer elects to work with someone else prior to a sale going forward.  The problem is when a P &amp; S is signed around, the consumer may feel locked in and just bear working with the situation until closing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Marlow-</p>
<p>Good information. Hope the comment within the post didn&#8217;t confuse people.  I have noticed via marketing materials that some agents have put their money where their mouth is.  Some indicate a specific monetary rebate if a client is not satisfied.   The idea of a large company Broker following the footsteps of one of their agents in participating within that same framework appears weak.  I don&#8217;t know of any Brokers that would match their agents guarantee.  There may be some, but I am unaware. Nor have I seen an amended commission disbursement form sent to our office with a rebate going back to a consumer for a customer service satisfaction guarantee.    </p>
<p>I think service guarantees are week without specific benchmarks  in place.  For example, back when Lynlee (spouse) was working at Phoenix  Mortgage &amp; Escrow (very early 90&#8217;s), they placed a specific dollar amount on their guarantee, no questions asked.  It places tremendous pressure on the LO&#8217;s and staff to provide meaningful positive outcomes.</p>
<p>If large companies actually gave back a portion of the commission to unsatisfied clients I think a few things would happen.  First, you would have brokers and agents quickly resolving issues&#8212;client centered vs. in-fighting between brokers.  Secondly, brokers would be much more quick to let problem agents go rather than having them continue to operate in anonymity.  Third,it would produce huge strides in building and mending the fragile image within the real estate community.  </p>
<p>Offices can certainly work through difficult issues with an unhappy client who is on the surface satisfied with fixing the problem, but after the fact, still feeling that they didn&#8217;t get a good return on their investment dollar.  Obviously, when you put money on the line, it changes everything.  In today&#8217;s environment most agents work within an underlying theme of&#8230;if my clients are not satisfied, I&#8217;m still getting paid&#8212;unless of course the consumer elects to work with someone else prior to a sale going forward.  The problem is when a P &amp; S is signed around, the consumer may feel locked in and just bear working with the situation until closing.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlow Harris</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/01/10/redfin-vs-establishment/#comment-61904</link>
		<dc:creator>Marlow Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, 

Some big companies DO offer service guarantees.  Our company offers both a Buyer Services Guarantee and a Sellers Services Guarantee.  

For Sellers: http://www.cbbain.com/sitecontent.aspx?ATID=325065&amp;mn=1

For Buyers: http://www.cbbain.com/sitecontent.aspx?ATID=325064&amp;mn=1

While this is not  a perfect no-questions-asked, no-strings-attached  guarantee, neither is Redfin&#039;s.  With Redfin, you are asked to give up several important legal rights when using their services, incuding your right to a jury trail.  They offer a seemingly &quot;100% Guarantee&quot; until you read the fine print from the Redfin site:

&quot;THIS AGREEMENT PROVIDES THAT ALL DISPUTES BETWEEN YOU AND REDFIN WILL BE RESOLVED BY BINDING ARBITRATION. YOU THUS GIVE UP YOUR RIGHT TO GO TO COURT TO ASSERT OR DEFEND YOUR RIGHTS. YOU ALSO GIVE UP YOUR RIGHT TO PARTICIPATE IN OR BRING CLASS ACTIONS. YOUR RIGHTS WILL BE DETERMINED BY NEUTRAL ARBITRATORS AND NOT A JUDGE OR JURY.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, </p>
<p>Some big companies DO offer service guarantees.  Our company offers both a Buyer Services Guarantee and a Sellers Services Guarantee.  </p>
<p>For Sellers: <a href="http://www.cbbain.com/sitecontent.aspx?ATID=325065&amp;mn=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbbain.com/sitecontent.aspx?ATID=325065&amp;mn=1</a></p>
<p>For Buyers: <a href="http://www.cbbain.com/sitecontent.aspx?ATID=325064&amp;mn=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbbain.com/sitecontent.aspx?ATID=325064&amp;mn=1</a></p>
<p>While this is not  a perfect no-questions-asked, no-strings-attached  guarantee, neither is Redfin&#8217;s.  With Redfin, you are asked to give up several important legal rights when using their services, incuding your right to a jury trail.  They offer a seemingly &#8220;100% Guarantee&#8221; until you read the fine print from the Redfin site:</p>
<p>&#8220;THIS AGREEMENT PROVIDES THAT ALL DISPUTES BETWEEN YOU AND REDFIN WILL BE RESOLVED BY BINDING ARBITRATION. YOU THUS GIVE UP YOUR RIGHT TO GO TO COURT TO ASSERT OR DEFEND YOUR RIGHTS. YOU ALSO GIVE UP YOUR RIGHT TO PARTICIPATE IN OR BRING CLASS ACTIONS. YOUR RIGHTS WILL BE DETERMINED BY NEUTRAL ARBITRATORS AND NOT A JUDGE OR JURY.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/01/10/redfin-vs-establishment/#comment-61803</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jillayne, that is why I say Redfin is successful whether they succeed as a business model or not.  They succeeded in moving the industry to a new level of transparency where the buyer is more keenly aware of what they are paying for the services of their Buyer&#039;s Agent. 

In an industry that is all about consumer disclosure, full disclosure of ALL commissions to ALL parties involved in the transaction, is clearly long overdue.  Redfin has pushed that envelope.  Whether they succeed or not, if that envelope remains open, they will have been a success in my eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jillayne, that is why I say Redfin is successful whether they succeed as a business model or not.  They succeeded in moving the industry to a new level of transparency where the buyer is more keenly aware of what they are paying for the services of their Buyer&#8217;s Agent. </p>
<p>In an industry that is all about consumer disclosure, full disclosure of ALL commissions to ALL parties involved in the transaction, is clearly long overdue.  Redfin has pushed that envelope.  Whether they succeed or not, if that envelope remains open, they will have been a success in my eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/01/10/redfin-vs-establishment/#comment-61778</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears as though the real horror that traditional agents are experiencing is because Redfin has made the buyer&#039;s agent side commission percentages and dollar numbers readily available for the homebuyer to see.

For a confident, competent agent, Redfin is just another competitor. For the opposite, Redfin is like the Wizard of Oz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears as though the real horror that traditional agents are experiencing is because Redfin has made the buyer&#8217;s agent side commission percentages and dollar numbers readily available for the homebuyer to see.</p>
<p>For a confident, competent agent, Redfin is just another competitor. For the opposite, Redfin is like the Wizard of Oz.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Justus</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/01/10/redfin-vs-establishment/#comment-61681</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Justus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m convinced that the 1% listing fee model has helped both the agent and the client. It has pushed the agent beyond the boundary of mediocrity and it has helped the client both define and receive better service. This 1% model actually helps the best agents explain to their clients why their service is worth the extra commission, thereby differentiating themselves from the mass of other realtors. 

Remember, differentiate or die in this industry! This model provides inspiration to the less-than-best agents to become better agents. This model also enables companies that dare to become something more than traditional to gain a larger market share by offering both models, since both models are valid and needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m convinced that the 1% listing fee model has helped both the agent and the client. It has pushed the agent beyond the boundary of mediocrity and it has helped the client both define and receive better service. This 1% model actually helps the best agents explain to their clients why their service is worth the extra commission, thereby differentiating themselves from the mass of other realtors. </p>
<p>Remember, differentiate or die in this industry! This model provides inspiration to the less-than-best agents to become better agents. This model also enables companies that dare to become something more than traditional to gain a larger market share by offering both models, since both models are valid and needed.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/01/10/redfin-vs-establishment/#comment-61617</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

I have polled some consumers on this over the last year.  You are correct and most will choose an agent who offers advices regarding the home prior to offer. But they say, many won&#039;t.  They will not offer opinions as to what the home is worth and whether or not it is a good option given what is on the market or may come on the market.

Given the choice of paying three times the amount for someone who will only open doors and say &quot;do you want to buy this one&quot; and saving two thirds...they choose saving two thirds.

Many, even most, prefer having an agent that helps them make tough choices, but lacking the availability of such an agent...they would choose Redfin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>I have polled some consumers on this over the last year.  You are correct and most will choose an agent who offers advices regarding the home prior to offer. But they say, many won&#8217;t.  They will not offer opinions as to what the home is worth and whether or not it is a good option given what is on the market or may come on the market.</p>
<p>Given the choice of paying three times the amount for someone who will only open doors and say &#8220;do you want to buy this one&#8221; and saving two thirds&#8230;they choose saving two thirds.</p>
<p>Many, even most, prefer having an agent that helps them make tough choices, but lacking the availability of such an agent&#8230;they would choose Redfin.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/01/10/redfin-vs-establishment/#comment-61598</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 06:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reba,

I agree as to sellers.  If you are saying it is commonplace in buyer scenarios, that&#039;s great.  I do think Seattle is far and above on many things.  I do think companies like Redfin make that so...more and more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reba,</p>
<p>I agree as to sellers.  If you are saying it is commonplace in buyer scenarios, that&#8217;s great.  I do think Seattle is far and above on many things.  I do think companies like Redfin make that so&#8230;more and more.</p>
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		<title>By: Reba Haas</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/01/10/redfin-vs-establishment/#comment-61569</link>
		<dc:creator>Reba Haas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 05:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Martin, I appreciate the remark. 
Ardell, you make it sound like &quot;traditional&quot; agents don&#039;t ever modify their fee in certain situations and you are labeling a lot of folks without really knowing the situation. You&#039;re speculating and acting as though it is fact perhaps based on anecdotal information you&#039;ve gleaned from your own experiences. There are plenty of instances where traditional agents might be flexible on fees. I have these kinds of conversations with clients all the time and I assume you do as well. If an agent doesn&#039;t and is smug about taking their &quot;full fee&quot; then they aren&#039;t a good business person and they&#039;re thinking more about themselves than their clients and the business proposition in front of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Martin, I appreciate the remark.<br />
Ardell, you make it sound like &#8220;traditional&#8221; agents don&#8217;t ever modify their fee in certain situations and you are labeling a lot of folks without really knowing the situation. You&#8217;re speculating and acting as though it is fact perhaps based on anecdotal information you&#8217;ve gleaned from your own experiences. There are plenty of instances where traditional agents might be flexible on fees. I have these kinds of conversations with clients all the time and I assume you do as well. If an agent doesn&#8217;t and is smug about taking their &#8220;full fee&#8221; then they aren&#8217;t a good business person and they&#8217;re thinking more about themselves than their clients and the business proposition in front of them.</p>
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		<title>By: jf.sellsius</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/01/10/redfin-vs-establishment/#comment-61530</link>
		<dc:creator>jf.sellsius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 04:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is difficult to negotiate well if you have not examined the property.  (You may miss the unzillowables)Thus, it is POSSIBLE to lose money using REdfin, in the sense that a skilled &quot;traditonal&quot; negotiator could have saved you more than the 2% Redfin rebate.  It is by no means an automatic savings with RF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is difficult to negotiate well if you have not examined the property.  (You may miss the unzillowables)Thus, it is POSSIBLE to lose money using REdfin, in the sense that a skilled &#8220;traditonal&#8221; negotiator could have saved you more than the 2% Redfin rebate.  It is by no means an automatic savings with RF.</p>
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