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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/01/27/to-catch-a-predator/#comment-338054</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL! I&#039;ve done loans for people with no jobs.  Before the predatory lending/subprime bubble run-up, there was and still is a legitimate way to qualify with no job.

Sometimes people are receiving government assistance for whatever reason.  ECOA (Equal Credit Opportunity Act) says a lender cannot discriminate based on income from public assistance...If the homebuyer qualifies to repay the mortgage, we make the loan. I&#039;ve done loans for people from wealthy families who had no job but DID receive a monthly check from the family estate.  I&#039;ve done loans for people with just investment income and no job.

BUT I do understand where you&#039;re coming from.  There was a time of insanity back during the bubble run up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! I&#8217;ve done loans for people with no jobs.  Before the predatory lending/subprime bubble run-up, there was and still is a legitimate way to qualify with no job.</p>
<p>Sometimes people are receiving government assistance for whatever reason.  ECOA (Equal Credit Opportunity Act) says a lender cannot discriminate based on income from public assistance&#8230;If the homebuyer qualifies to repay the mortgage, we make the loan. I&#8217;ve done loans for people from wealthy families who had no job but DID receive a monthly check from the family estate.  I&#8217;ve done loans for people with just investment income and no job.</p>
<p>BUT I do understand where you&#8217;re coming from.  There was a time of insanity back during the bubble run up.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rhonda,

Your comment is cracking me up.

I had an agent approach me once with this question: &quot;Can you tell me what my buyer can afford, because I don&#039;t want to help him get in over his head&quot;.  I said what did the lender say? she said, he said he can do it, no problem, but I want to make sure the buyer isn&#039;t getting in over his head because he is a friend of mine.

I said OK, and took out my mortgage calculator.  I said, &quot;What does your friend make?&quot;

Her answer: &quot;Nothing, he has no job.&quot;

I swear we were living in a comedy routine :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rhonda,</p>
<p>Your comment is cracking me up.</p>
<p>I had an agent approach me once with this question: &#8220;Can you tell me what my buyer can afford, because I don&#8217;t want to help him get in over his head&#8221;.  I said what did the lender say? she said, he said he can do it, no problem, but I want to make sure the buyer isn&#8217;t getting in over his head because he is a friend of mine.</p>
<p>I said OK, and took out my mortgage calculator.  I said, &#8220;What does your friend make?&#8221;</p>
<p>Her answer: &#8220;Nothing, he has no job.&#8221;</p>
<p>I swear we were living in a comedy routine <img src='http://raincityguide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rhonda, I heard a while back that Michael Moore was going to do a documentary film on our industry. Maybe you can get in touch with him and give him some of your excellent ideas.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/

Look to the left, under &quot;Mike&#039;s Letter.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rhonda, I heard a while back that Michael Moore was going to do a documentary film on our industry. Maybe you can get in touch with him and give him some of your excellent ideas.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.michaelmoore.com/</a></p>
<p>Look to the left, under &#8220;Mike&#8217;s Letter.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With that woman, it&#039;s like something is not connecting with her train of thought... it&#039;s okay to state income on a loan application high enough to buy what ever she wants and then claim a loss on her taxes to avoid paying Uncle Sam (BTW I wonder if the IRS was watching the show...) and then to cry &quot;boo hoo&quot;.  

As a loan originator from that era, I can tell you I had many people just like her who would contact me.  I knew that if I didn&#039;t do the loan, someone else would and you know what they could have it!  I always had an issue with lying about income on a loan application--I just couldn&#039;t understand how this was acceptable.   With that said, consumers could opt for &quot;no income&quot; on an application with a slightly higher rate if they had better credit.  When it made sense, if that&#039;s what the consumer was after, I would suggest that product... at least they weren&#039;t lying and then it was up to the underwriter to determine whether or not it was an acceptable loan.  I probably did a small handful of NIV loans.  Even if you were going full doc, Fannie or Freddie may have provided an &quot;automated response&quot; stating only a VOE was necessary...maybe a paytub and maybe an appraisal.

By that underwriter not speaking up during those times, she enabled the process to continue...and she&#039;s just one of many.

I&#039;m probably a bit niave about this because in my 9 years of mortgage origination, I&#039;ve only worked for one company--and so &quot;correspondent lending&quot; is all I know and we probably lean towards the conservative side. 

I would have loved to seen Chris Hansen contact Account Executives from the various banks who &quot;pushed&quot; the &quot;toxic&quot; loan programs to mortgage brokers and correspondent lenders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With that woman, it&#8217;s like something is not connecting with her train of thought&#8230; it&#8217;s okay to state income on a loan application high enough to buy what ever she wants and then claim a loss on her taxes to avoid paying Uncle Sam (BTW I wonder if the IRS was watching the show&#8230;) and then to cry &#8220;boo hoo&#8221;.  </p>
<p>As a loan originator from that era, I can tell you I had many people just like her who would contact me.  I knew that if I didn&#8217;t do the loan, someone else would and you know what they could have it!  I always had an issue with lying about income on a loan application&#8211;I just couldn&#8217;t understand how this was acceptable.   With that said, consumers could opt for &#8220;no income&#8221; on an application with a slightly higher rate if they had better credit.  When it made sense, if that&#8217;s what the consumer was after, I would suggest that product&#8230; at least they weren&#8217;t lying and then it was up to the underwriter to determine whether or not it was an acceptable loan.  I probably did a small handful of NIV loans.  Even if you were going full doc, Fannie or Freddie may have provided an &#8220;automated response&#8221; stating only a VOE was necessary&#8230;maybe a paytub and maybe an appraisal.</p>
<p>By that underwriter not speaking up during those times, she enabled the process to continue&#8230;and she&#8217;s just one of many.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m probably a bit niave about this because in my 9 years of mortgage origination, I&#8217;ve only worked for one company&#8211;and so &#8220;correspondent lending&#8221; is all I know and we probably lean towards the conservative side. </p>
<p>I would have loved to seen Chris Hansen contact Account Executives from the various banks who &#8220;pushed&#8221; the &#8220;toxic&#8221; loan programs to mortgage brokers and correspondent lenders.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 03:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, Rhonda. That&#039;s why the 4 condo woman&#039;s story doesn&#039;t add up for me.  What appears to be logical is that....she DID think she could afford all 4 condo payments, assuming she could put renters in three of them.  In addition, I believe that there are MANY more borrowers like her from the stated income era who told the IRS one thing and who took home substantially way more than that under the table. 

Now she plays the &quot;it&#039;s not my fault....I&#039;m not to blame&quot; card.  

I would have liked to have seen Chris interview the LO who gave her each mortgage, and each Realtor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, Rhonda. That&#8217;s why the 4 condo woman&#8217;s story doesn&#8217;t add up for me.  What appears to be logical is that&#8230;.she DID think she could afford all 4 condo payments, assuming she could put renters in three of them.  In addition, I believe that there are MANY more borrowers like her from the stated income era who told the IRS one thing and who took home substantially way more than that under the table. </p>
<p>Now she plays the &#8220;it&#8217;s not my fault&#8230;.I&#8217;m not to blame&#8221; card.  </p>
<p>I would have liked to have seen Chris interview the LO who gave her each mortgage, and each Realtor.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 03:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jillayne, the undewriter really bothered me.  I don&#039;t understand how she can speak so boldly now and do nothing then.   

What did you think about her?

It&#039;s all so foreign to me.  Our underwriters would be the first to say &quot;are you nuts, a xyz making $20k a month?&quot;  

I watched the show being thankful for all the loans I never did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jillayne, the undewriter really bothered me.  I don&#8217;t understand how she can speak so boldly now and do nothing then.   </p>
<p>What did you think about her?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all so foreign to me.  Our underwriters would be the first to say &#8220;are you nuts, a xyz making $20k a month?&#8221;  </p>
<p>I watched the show being thankful for all the loans I never did.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 03:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, that was a big beef w/me last night watching the show... the payment.  It doesn&#039;t matter if your housing payment is rent or mortgage--you KNOW what you can afford and you KNOW if the payment is more than you&#039;re bringing home.

The potential borrower will see the payment several times on many documents during the transaction; including the loan application and good faith estimate in preliminary stages and then it&#039;s reviewed again at escrow. 

Assuming the LO is a bad actor and has committed total fraud on the preliminary documents, the borrower would have a chance to review the actual docs at escrow (unless they&#039;re dealing w/a Lisa Baustica--sp... who had escrow companies involved w/fraud too).

Your &quot;average&quot; consumer is not going to double check math and amoritiztion schedules to make sure things are adding up... but you&#039;d think they would smell somthing stinky somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, that was a big beef w/me last night watching the show&#8230; the payment.  It doesn&#8217;t matter if your housing payment is rent or mortgage&#8211;you KNOW what you can afford and you KNOW if the payment is more than you&#8217;re bringing home.</p>
<p>The potential borrower will see the payment several times on many documents during the transaction; including the loan application and good faith estimate in preliminary stages and then it&#8217;s reviewed again at escrow. </p>
<p>Assuming the LO is a bad actor and has committed total fraud on the preliminary documents, the borrower would have a chance to review the actual docs at escrow (unless they&#8217;re dealing w/a Lisa Baustica&#8211;sp&#8230; who had escrow companies involved w/fraud too).</p>
<p>Your &#8220;average&#8221; consumer is not going to double check math and amoritiztion schedules to make sure things are adding up&#8230; but you&#8217;d think they would smell somthing stinky somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting program.  It strikes me a little skeptical that these folks were not aware of what they were doing.  That one lady had 4 condos?  At what point did she not understand----when she bought #4?

Borrowers sign the final 1003 (loan application stating income and other assets) right in front of me which states their income.  Today, because of the blatant fraud, some lenders have borrowers sign income affidavits, IRS Form 4506 allowing the review of tax returns, and some even have them sign their recent 1040&#039;s.    At signing they are told explicitly what the terms are (sometimes I call them prior to making an signing appointment to make sure the terms are what they expect so as not not waste escrow&#039;s time or their&#039;s if the loan docs are wrong---which they are over half the time for one reason or another).

Borrowers know.  They may not know if they obtained the very lowest interest rate and fees or favorable loan program (as we all know, many were shoehorned into programs that were not ideal), but they know if they can afford the payments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting program.  It strikes me a little skeptical that these folks were not aware of what they were doing.  That one lady had 4 condos?  At what point did she not understand&#8212;-when she bought #4?</p>
<p>Borrowers sign the final 1003 (loan application stating income and other assets) right in front of me which states their income.  Today, because of the blatant fraud, some lenders have borrowers sign income affidavits, IRS Form 4506 allowing the review of tax returns, and some even have them sign their recent 1040&#8217;s.    At signing they are told explicitly what the terms are (sometimes I call them prior to making an signing appointment to make sure the terms are what they expect so as not not waste escrow&#8217;s time or their&#8217;s if the loan docs are wrong&#8212;which they are over half the time for one reason or another).</p>
<p>Borrowers know.  They may not know if they obtained the very lowest interest rate and fees or favorable loan program (as we all know, many were shoehorned into programs that were not ideal), but they know if they can afford the payments.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right. I think that was the same woman who claimed a net loss to the IRS on her daycare business but then stated an income of $15,000 per month to her lender.  When asked who is to blame, she said that she wasn&#039;t to blame at all and that it was all the lender&#039;s fault.

What did you think about the interview with the underwriter who, when bringing the problems to the attention of management was told to approve the loans anyways and faced workplace retaliation if she blew the whistle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. I think that was the same woman who claimed a net loss to the IRS on her daycare business but then stated an income of $15,000 per month to her lender.  When asked who is to blame, she said that she wasn&#8217;t to blame at all and that it was all the lender&#8217;s fault.</p>
<p>What did you think about the interview with the underwriter who, when bringing the problems to the attention of management was told to approve the loans anyways and faced workplace retaliation if she blew the whistle.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The episode shown really focused on Countrywide and people who did stated income loans.  What I don&#039;t &quot;get&quot; is why anyone would want to make mortgage payments more than their monthly income?  They also showed a lady who owned several investment properties, yet now that she&#039;s losing them, she feels like she&#039;s a victimized by CW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The episode shown really focused on Countrywide and people who did stated income loans.  What I don&#8217;t &#8220;get&#8221; is why anyone would want to make mortgage payments more than their monthly income?  They also showed a lady who owned several investment properties, yet now that she&#8217;s losing them, she feels like she&#8217;s a victimized by CW.</p>
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