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	<title>Comments on: Winds of Change; The Rise and Fall of the Subprime Market</title>
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		<title>By: Obama plans on tighter regulations for mortgage brokers &#124; Rain City Guide</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/03/20/winds-of-change-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-subprime-market/#comment-332857</link>
		<dc:creator>Obama plans on tighter regulations for mortgage brokers &#124; Rain City Guide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 05:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve been talking about tighter rules for mortgage brokers since 2001 and here on RCG for two years.   Mortgage brokers will always argue that they are already tightly regulated. In some states, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Paulette Bradshaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paulette Bradshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Sr Processor in a Wholesale Lending department at a local bank (that is not longer in business), I would shake my head at loans that underwriters would approve.  It would be obvious with zero down and/or stated income with little or no assets to support the stated income, this person (people) were going to get into trouble or not even be able to make the first payment. Foreclosures went up, MI payments went up, yet no change in underwriting guidelines were changed until it was too late.  This wasn&#039;t even subprime money, maybe risk based pricing but brokers were also getting away with huge YSP&#039;s and closings would occur.  What a shame (sham!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Sr Processor in a Wholesale Lending department at a local bank (that is not longer in business), I would shake my head at loans that underwriters would approve.  It would be obvious with zero down and/or stated income with little or no assets to support the stated income, this person (people) were going to get into trouble or not even be able to make the first payment. Foreclosures went up, MI payments went up, yet no change in underwriting guidelines were changed until it was too late.  This wasn&#8217;t even subprime money, maybe risk based pricing but brokers were also getting away with huge YSP&#8217;s and closings would occur.  What a shame (sham!)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hyde</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/03/20/winds-of-change-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-subprime-market/#comment-308613</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Hyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the past 14 years I have been a pastor.  As I now move into the mortgage industry, I am learning why ethics was something talked a lot about by my mortgage mentor.  He felt that my background as a pastor would cause me to bring the same ethics into the mortgage industry and would really help my business.  At first, I didn&#039;t understand why ethics was such a huge issue in the mortgage industry.  But now I totally understand.

You mentioned treating borrowers only as a tool to maximize profits.  Granted, those of us in the mortgage industry WANT to make a profit.  But at what expense?  Our reputation?  The pocketbook of our clients?  The potential future foreclosure of our clients?  If we don&#039;t have our CLIENTS&#039; best interests at heart, we have no business being in this line of work.  We provide a service to our clients and those in any type of service industry are supposed to be focused on the needs, desires, and best interests of the client.  Of course, the bottom line here is BEST INTERESTS.  Taking advantage of a client&#039;s desires (often due to a lack of education) over their best interests so that we can make a buck really provides no SERVICE at all and is predatory.  

I agree with previous comments.  Our job is to educate our clients in a way that provides for their best interests...not just ours!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the past 14 years I have been a pastor.  As I now move into the mortgage industry, I am learning why ethics was something talked a lot about by my mortgage mentor.  He felt that my background as a pastor would cause me to bring the same ethics into the mortgage industry and would really help my business.  At first, I didn&#8217;t understand why ethics was such a huge issue in the mortgage industry.  But now I totally understand.</p>
<p>You mentioned treating borrowers only as a tool to maximize profits.  Granted, those of us in the mortgage industry WANT to make a profit.  But at what expense?  Our reputation?  The pocketbook of our clients?  The potential future foreclosure of our clients?  If we don&#8217;t have our CLIENTS&#8217; best interests at heart, we have no business being in this line of work.  We provide a service to our clients and those in any type of service industry are supposed to be focused on the needs, desires, and best interests of the client.  Of course, the bottom line here is BEST INTERESTS.  Taking advantage of a client&#8217;s desires (often due to a lack of education) over their best interests so that we can make a buck really provides no SERVICE at all and is predatory.  </p>
<p>I agree with previous comments.  Our job is to educate our clients in a way that provides for their best interests&#8230;not just ours!</p>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/03/20/winds-of-change-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-subprime-market/#comment-307431</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jessica,

In this blog post, I am actually taking issue with a business model where LOs no matter how they&#039;re paid, W-2 or 1099, are taught to treat consumers only as an object to maximize profit.

It sounds like you have found a good company to work for, that matches your value system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jessica,</p>
<p>In this blog post, I am actually taking issue with a business model where LOs no matter how they&#8217;re paid, W-2 or 1099, are taught to treat consumers only as an object to maximize profit.</p>
<p>It sounds like you have found a good company to work for, that matches your value system.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Kristine</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/03/20/winds-of-change-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-subprime-market/#comment-307422</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Kristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this as part of your online ethics class; I&#039;m just getting started in the industry, though I&#039;ve been as assistant at a mortgage brokerage for a while. There are some very good points here.

As with anything, it seems to me that the problems lie in human weaknesses, not in the need for more regulation--although sometimes regulation is necessary to curb the consequences of human weakness. If everybody thought of clients as people like themselves, they&#039;d treat them more honestly. It can even be a kind of selfish thing on the part of loan originators, but good-selfish: nothing makes me a loyal customer more than a business that says, &quot;Well, yes, you could pay us that much, but this lesser-cost thing would probably be better for your situation.&quot; They give up money from me in the short term but secure my long-term business.

That&#039;s why I&#039;m working for a mortgage broker now. I wasn&#039;t that interested in the field, but I was blown away by how well this particular office treated me when I bought my home. Their philosophy is to find out clients&#039; reasons for getting a loan: is the client investing, saving up for retirement, or settling long term into a dream home? In my case, all I cared about was my monthly payments, as my home is an investment, I don&#039;t have much income, and I have an extremely high tolerance for risk. Even so, there are certain risky products that my loan originator wouldn&#039;t even consider (such as anything that included a prepayent penalty).

I take some issue with your assessment of contract loan originators. All of the loan originators at my office except the branch manager are contract workers, and they have not been trained in &quot;hard-core, script-memorizing, pressure-laden sales tactics.&quot; They have no scripts, and they consider themselves advisors more than salespeople. I think it&#039;s too much of a blanket statement to label contract loan originators as risky. I imagine that W-2 employees could have systems that use the pressure-laden sales tactics that you imagine most contract loan originators to use. Rather, I think that prospective borrowers should go by word of mouth and recommendations from those they trust--or, barring that, use their own intuition in working with loan originators. If there&#039;s a sense of pressure, they should try somewhere else. That&#039;s capitalism at its best.

In fact, your responsiveness and honesty, as well as a friend&#039;s recommendation, are what caused me to choose your classes over all of the other choices listed on the DFI website. Should I have considered whether you were commission-based or payroll in making my decision?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this as part of your online ethics class; I&#8217;m just getting started in the industry, though I&#8217;ve been as assistant at a mortgage brokerage for a while. There are some very good points here.</p>
<p>As with anything, it seems to me that the problems lie in human weaknesses, not in the need for more regulation&#8211;although sometimes regulation is necessary to curb the consequences of human weakness. If everybody thought of clients as people like themselves, they&#8217;d treat them more honestly. It can even be a kind of selfish thing on the part of loan originators, but good-selfish: nothing makes me a loyal customer more than a business that says, &#8220;Well, yes, you could pay us that much, but this lesser-cost thing would probably be better for your situation.&#8221; They give up money from me in the short term but secure my long-term business.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m working for a mortgage broker now. I wasn&#8217;t that interested in the field, but I was blown away by how well this particular office treated me when I bought my home. Their philosophy is to find out clients&#8217; reasons for getting a loan: is the client investing, saving up for retirement, or settling long term into a dream home? In my case, all I cared about was my monthly payments, as my home is an investment, I don&#8217;t have much income, and I have an extremely high tolerance for risk. Even so, there are certain risky products that my loan originator wouldn&#8217;t even consider (such as anything that included a prepayent penalty).</p>
<p>I take some issue with your assessment of contract loan originators. All of the loan originators at my office except the branch manager are contract workers, and they have not been trained in &#8220;hard-core, script-memorizing, pressure-laden sales tactics.&#8221; They have no scripts, and they consider themselves advisors more than salespeople. I think it&#8217;s too much of a blanket statement to label contract loan originators as risky. I imagine that W-2 employees could have systems that use the pressure-laden sales tactics that you imagine most contract loan originators to use. Rather, I think that prospective borrowers should go by word of mouth and recommendations from those they trust&#8211;or, barring that, use their own intuition in working with loan originators. If there&#8217;s a sense of pressure, they should try somewhere else. That&#8217;s capitalism at its best.</p>
<p>In fact, your responsiveness and honesty, as well as a friend&#8217;s recommendation, are what caused me to choose your classes over all of the other choices listed on the DFI website. Should I have considered whether you were commission-based or payroll in making my decision?</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Uesonoda</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/03/20/winds-of-change-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-subprime-market/#comment-306939</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Uesonoda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly enough, I was at church today and my pastor was preaching about being debt free and had comments about homeownership and loans that people were put into that they should not have been approved for.  Buying a home is embedded in everyones head as the american dream and a great investment but many were not told upfront during the process about the additional expenses that go along with home ownership is what he was preaching about.  As odd as it was to hear the church pastor discussing these topics, he was right on in many of his points.  its not about what you are approved for, how much credit lines you obtain, but how much you can afford and can pay back realistically living within  your means was the message and a great one at that.  Teh meltdown of subprime will hopefully I feel will truly reduce quickly many of the problems we are facing now in the housing market but at the same time recovery will be a process.  It had to happen at some point.  Hopefully lesson learned for many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly enough, I was at church today and my pastor was preaching about being debt free and had comments about homeownership and loans that people were put into that they should not have been approved for.  Buying a home is embedded in everyones head as the american dream and a great investment but many were not told upfront during the process about the additional expenses that go along with home ownership is what he was preaching about.  As odd as it was to hear the church pastor discussing these topics, he was right on in many of his points.  its not about what you are approved for, how much credit lines you obtain, but how much you can afford and can pay back realistically living within  your means was the message and a great one at that.  Teh meltdown of subprime will hopefully I feel will truly reduce quickly many of the problems we are facing now in the housing market but at the same time recovery will be a process.  It had to happen at some point.  Hopefully lesson learned for many.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason ”Jack” Lowry</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/03/20/winds-of-change-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-subprime-market/#comment-291983</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason ”Jack” Lowry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing is &quot;profit drives morality: what’s profitable is good, what’s not profitable is bad.&quot; an economic theory?  If so I seem to have missed it in Business School.
  I could certainly see arguments against this idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing is &#8220;profit drives morality: what’s profitable is good, what’s not profitable is bad.&#8221; an economic theory?  If so I seem to have missed it in Business School.<br />
  I could certainly see arguments against this idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason \”Jack\” Lowry</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/03/20/winds-of-change-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-subprime-market/#comment-291982</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason \”Jack\” Lowry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a new LO most of my experiences have been as a customer.  My first home loan was doen by a good friend who is a Mortgage Brocker.  I got a very good deal but when I refinanced I decided to check around the market.  The amount of Telemarketers, LO using bait and switch, &amp; &quot;hard-core, script-memorizing, pressure-laden sales tactics&quot; was astonishing.  I went back to my friend who was honest, upfront, &amp; reliable.  I have since sent him the business of my girlfriend &amp; other friends and will be working for him shortly as an LO.
  My touchstone for any high-preassure sales or telemarketing activities is that if it makes you feel like a hypocrite don&#039;t do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a new LO most of my experiences have been as a customer.  My first home loan was doen by a good friend who is a Mortgage Brocker.  I got a very good deal but when I refinanced I decided to check around the market.  The amount of Telemarketers, LO using bait and switch, &amp; &#8220;hard-core, script-memorizing, pressure-laden sales tactics&#8221; was astonishing.  I went back to my friend who was honest, upfront, &amp; reliable.  I have since sent him the business of my girlfriend &amp; other friends and will be working for him shortly as an LO.<br />
  My touchstone for any high-preassure sales or telemarketing activities is that if it makes you feel like a hypocrite don&#8217;t do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey Camby</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/03/20/winds-of-change-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-subprime-market/#comment-291365</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey Camby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely, I have worked for almost every type of Business Model for Mortgage mentioned above and I have to agree. I believe a strong foundation is necessary for us professionals to not only see this ever changing market but see ourselves through. Attributes, like a love to help and teach our customer is necessary for longevity in this business. If our intent is true a client will typically see that, and we get that phone call next time they have a question.  Our intent, along with making them aware of their investment, knowing there goals, and showing them the correct product or direction will help build that foundation we need to see ourselves through this ever-changing market. The end result; we all profit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely, I have worked for almost every type of Business Model for Mortgage mentioned above and I have to agree. I believe a strong foundation is necessary for us professionals to not only see this ever changing market but see ourselves through. Attributes, like a love to help and teach our customer is necessary for longevity in this business. If our intent is true a client will typically see that, and we get that phone call next time they have a question.  Our intent, along with making them aware of their investment, knowing there goals, and showing them the correct product or direction will help build that foundation we need to see ourselves through this ever-changing market. The end result; we all profit!</p>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/03/20/winds-of-change-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-subprime-market/#comment-288953</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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