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		<title>By: biliruben</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/03/21/it-may-not-be-your-businessbut-it-is-all-mine/#comment-113592</link>
		<dc:creator>biliruben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The New York Times has an article on subprime AUs and their potential problems today.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/23/business/23speed.html?pagewanted=print

&quot;Automated underwriting is now used to generate as much as 40 percent of all subprime loans, according to Pat McCoy, a law professor at the University of Connecticut who has written on real estate lending.

The software itself, of course, cannot be blamed for lowered lending standards or lax controls. But critics say the push for speed influenced some lenders to take shortcuts, ignore warning signs or focus entirely on credit scores.

“Used properly, automated underwriting is a wonderful thing,” Professor McCoy said. The problem, she said, comes when lenders customize it to approve the wrong borrowers.&quot;

Also  Tanta, over at Calculated Risk discusses in extreme detail subprime AUS&#039;s, their history and their potential pitfalls:

http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2007/03/ficos-and-aus-we-will-add-your.html

Just a taste:

&quot;
The history and development of AUS is fascinating (really, it is, my UberNerds). It is, however, beyond today’s scope. Let me just note that a few years ago, the general situation in the industry was that the systems of the GSEs (Freddie Mac’s Loan Prospector (LP) and Fannie Mae’s Desktop Underwriter (DU), both of which could also handle FHA loans via additional technology called FHA TOTAL Scorecard), were the gold standard for AUS in the conforming-balance prime loan world. But they were never designed to underwrite loans that are not eligible for delivery to the GSEs, including jumbos, no docs, subprime (outside of the A- stuff the agencies have special AUS capabilities for), and a lot of exotic product structures (like the Option ARM). So there was parallel development by large private investors of their own AUS, the two best-known and most reliable of which are Countrywide’s CLUES and GMAC-RFC’s AssetWise, both of which specialize in jumbo loan balances, Alt-A and subprime.

But while just about every lender, correspondent, and broker in the country could have access to LP or DU for very low cost, and needed to anyway for its GSE loans, you had to be a correspondent of Countrywide or RFC to get access to CLUES or AssetWise, and like anyone else Countrywide and RFC tended to expect you to sell them the loan if you used their systems to underwrite it. Other buyers of jumbo and Alt-A whole loans might appeal to these smaller loan originators, but those other buyers didn’t offer an AUS, which are very expensive to develop. There became a habit of originators using the ones everyone had access to and were familiar with, LP and DU, to underwrite loans that neither system was designed to accommodate. What happened is that the whole-loan buyers would create an “overlay” of rules that a jumbo or Alt loan had to meet, in addition to approval of the loan by LP or DU. A very odd hybrid of traditional and automated underwriting was born; Star Trek fans are free to imagine Borg drones (half organic, half machine creatures) invading the mortgage world. Resistance sure seemed futile there for a while.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New York Times has an article on subprime AUs and their potential problems today.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/23/business/23speed.html?pagewanted=print" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/23/business/23speed.html?pagewanted=print</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Automated underwriting is now used to generate as much as 40 percent of all subprime loans, according to Pat McCoy, a law professor at the University of Connecticut who has written on real estate lending.</p>
<p>The software itself, of course, cannot be blamed for lowered lending standards or lax controls. But critics say the push for speed influenced some lenders to take shortcuts, ignore warning signs or focus entirely on credit scores.</p>
<p>“Used properly, automated underwriting is a wonderful thing,” Professor McCoy said. The problem, she said, comes when lenders customize it to approve the wrong borrowers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also  Tanta, over at Calculated Risk discusses in extreme detail subprime AUS&#8217;s, their history and their potential pitfalls:</p>
<p><a href="http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2007/03/ficos-and-aus-we-will-add-your.html" rel="nofollow">http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2007/03/ficos-and-aus-we-will-add-your.html</a></p>
<p>Just a taste:</p>
<p>&#8221;<br />
The history and development of AUS is fascinating (really, it is, my UberNerds). It is, however, beyond today’s scope. Let me just note that a few years ago, the general situation in the industry was that the systems of the GSEs (Freddie Mac’s Loan Prospector (LP) and Fannie Mae’s Desktop Underwriter (DU), both of which could also handle FHA loans via additional technology called FHA TOTAL Scorecard), were the gold standard for AUS in the conforming-balance prime loan world. But they were never designed to underwrite loans that are not eligible for delivery to the GSEs, including jumbos, no docs, subprime (outside of the A- stuff the agencies have special AUS capabilities for), and a lot of exotic product structures (like the Option ARM). So there was parallel development by large private investors of their own AUS, the two best-known and most reliable of which are Countrywide’s CLUES and GMAC-RFC’s AssetWise, both of which specialize in jumbo loan balances, Alt-A and subprime.</p>
<p>But while just about every lender, correspondent, and broker in the country could have access to LP or DU for very low cost, and needed to anyway for its GSE loans, you had to be a correspondent of Countrywide or RFC to get access to CLUES or AssetWise, and like anyone else Countrywide and RFC tended to expect you to sell them the loan if you used their systems to underwrite it. Other buyers of jumbo and Alt-A whole loans might appeal to these smaller loan originators, but those other buyers didn’t offer an AUS, which are very expensive to develop. There became a habit of originators using the ones everyone had access to and were familiar with, LP and DU, to underwrite loans that neither system was designed to accommodate. What happened is that the whole-loan buyers would create an “overlay” of rules that a jumbo or Alt loan had to meet, in addition to approval of the loan by LP or DU. A very odd hybrid of traditional and automated underwriting was born; Star Trek fans are free to imagine Borg drones (half organic, half machine creatures) invading the mortgage world. Resistance sure seemed futile there for a while.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/03/21/it-may-not-be-your-businessbut-it-is-all-mine/#comment-113508</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jillayne, we refer to that (comment 23) as a &quot;manual underwrite&quot;.   Sometimes the transaction isn&#039;t &quot;most sorry&quot;; it could be that it just didn&#039;t fit the aus system to get the response we feel it deserved (an approval).   We do have real live human underwriters (I have a visual of a caged animal for some reason!) at Mortgage Master and believe me, they&#039;re plenty busy.  They reviews the findings to make sure they fit the guidelines and make sense.   If there is something they question, they will &quot;condition&quot; for more documentation.   

This is the only mortgage company I work for, so I can&#039;t speak for every type of lender (big banks, credit unions, mortgage brokers or other correspondent lenders).   We have live underwriters because we close in our own credit line (we are a Correspondent Lender) and we since we are taking on the risk (vs. brokering a mortgage) we need to make sure the transaction makes sense.   

At our company, the AUS is a preapproval (when backed up with supporting documentation from the borrower).  Then it is reviewed by u/w.  

We&#039;re not a huge bank, we&#039;re a family owned mortgage company who has been around about 30 years.  AUS has allowed us to save TIME.  And it COSTS the company quite a bit to have these systems, to be a direct lender, etc.    

I&#039;m going to kiss our u/w&#039;s when I go into the office today.  ;)   Oh wait, you can&#039;t do that any more without a lawsuit...I think I&#039;ll bring them Starbucks instead!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jillayne, we refer to that (comment 23) as a &#8220;manual underwrite&#8221;.   Sometimes the transaction isn&#8217;t &#8220;most sorry&#8221;; it could be that it just didn&#8217;t fit the aus system to get the response we feel it deserved (an approval).   We do have real live human underwriters (I have a visual of a caged animal for some reason!) at Mortgage Master and believe me, they&#8217;re plenty busy.  They reviews the findings to make sure they fit the guidelines and make sense.   If there is something they question, they will &#8220;condition&#8221; for more documentation.   </p>
<p>This is the only mortgage company I work for, so I can&#8217;t speak for every type of lender (big banks, credit unions, mortgage brokers or other correspondent lenders).   We have live underwriters because we close in our own credit line (we are a Correspondent Lender) and we since we are taking on the risk (vs. brokering a mortgage) we need to make sure the transaction makes sense.   </p>
<p>At our company, the AUS is a preapproval (when backed up with supporting documentation from the borrower).  Then it is reviewed by u/w.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;re not a huge bank, we&#8217;re a family owned mortgage company who has been around about 30 years.  AUS has allowed us to save TIME.  And it COSTS the company quite a bit to have these systems, to be a direct lender, etc.    </p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to kiss our u/w&#8217;s when I go into the office today.  <img src='http://raincityguide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />    Oh wait, you can&#8217;t do that any more without a lawsuit&#8230;I think I&#8217;ll bring them Starbucks instead!</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/03/21/it-may-not-be-your-businessbut-it-is-all-mine/#comment-113505</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan,
There are still many humans that work on the transaction...we still have underwriters at our office who review the findings from the automated system.   Also, a big benefit to automated underwriting is that it has decreased closing times significantly. which is a plus to home buyers and sellers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan,<br />
There are still many humans that work on the transaction&#8230;we still have underwriters at our office who review the findings from the automated system.   Also, a big benefit to automated underwriting is that it has decreased closing times significantly. which is a plus to home buyers and sellers.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/03/21/it-may-not-be-your-businessbut-it-is-all-mine/#comment-113399</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 05:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Replacing a human with a machine only increases profits for the company in the short term. Over time the competitors do it to and everyone slowly lowers their prices to compete. In the end it is the consumer that receives those former profits in the form of savings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Replacing a human with a machine only increases profits for the company in the short term. Over time the competitors do it to and everyone slowly lowers their prices to compete. In the end it is the consumer that receives those former profits in the form of savings.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/03/21/it-may-not-be-your-businessbut-it-is-all-mine/#comment-113393</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 05:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Biliruben,

Automation increases the ability for a corporation to make more profit if you can replace a human with a machine. But you know this.  So, that means corporations know this, too, and build the risk in with the pricing. I use to underwrite mortgage loans.  I&#039;ll bet that only the most sorry-looking loan files pass through human hands, and then they&#039;re only looking at photocopies, scanned, or faxed documents instead of original documents. I will also bet that this is already starting to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Biliruben,</p>
<p>Automation increases the ability for a corporation to make more profit if you can replace a human with a machine. But you know this.  So, that means corporations know this, too, and build the risk in with the pricing. I use to underwrite mortgage loans.  I&#8217;ll bet that only the most sorry-looking loan files pass through human hands, and then they&#8217;re only looking at photocopies, scanned, or faxed documents instead of original documents. I will also bet that this is already starting to change.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/03/21/it-may-not-be-your-businessbut-it-is-all-mine/#comment-113367</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 03:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Option ARMs and other products such as interest only ARMs (without neg am) are under a great deal of scrutiny.  I anticipate credit scores being increased and loan to values decreased (more equity required) for many programs.   Congress is all over this and subprime as well.   Yes, tighter lending standars will affect the difficulty for any borrower when applied to specific programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Option ARMs and other products such as interest only ARMs (without neg am) are under a great deal of scrutiny.  I anticipate credit scores being increased and loan to values decreased (more equity required) for many programs.   Congress is all over this and subprime as well.   Yes, tighter lending standars will affect the difficulty for any borrower when applied to specific programs.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/03/21/it-may-not-be-your-businessbut-it-is-all-mine/#comment-113324</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 02:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are tighter lending standards going to affect the difficulty for investors to close on option ARMs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are tighter lending standards going to affect the difficulty for investors to close on option ARMs?</p>
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		<title>By: biliruben</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/03/21/it-may-not-be-your-businessbut-it-is-all-mine/#comment-113167</link>
		<dc:creator>biliruben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s neat, Jillayne.  Thanks!

I didn&#039;t realize they would allow just anyone access to those sorts of things.

I am skeptical of any attempt to automate subprime, however.  There are just too many possible variables in any subprime borrower&#039;s situation to make automation anything more than something to game, imho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s neat, Jillayne.  Thanks!</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t realize they would allow just anyone access to those sorts of things.</p>
<p>I am skeptical of any attempt to automate subprime, however.  There are just too many possible variables in any subprime borrower&#8217;s situation to make automation anything more than something to game, imho.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/03/21/it-may-not-be-your-businessbut-it-is-all-mine/#comment-113161</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Biliruben,

Many subprime lenders have their own proprietary automated underwriting systems. Here is an example from one company based in the Northwest, MILA. They specialized in subprime and built their business on this model. As I understand it, now they&#039;re just doing A and Alt-A loans.

http://www.mila.com/main/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Biliruben,</p>
<p>Many subprime lenders have their own proprietary automated underwriting systems. Here is an example from one company based in the Northwest, MILA. They specialized in subprime and built their business on this model. As I understand it, now they&#8217;re just doing A and Alt-A loans.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mila.com/main/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mila.com/main/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/03/21/it-may-not-be-your-businessbut-it-is-all-mine/#comment-113157</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would have to be developed for subprime.  It&#039;s not LP or DU and it would not fit those guidelines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would have to be developed for subprime.  It&#8217;s not LP or DU and it would not fit those guidelines.</p>
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