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		<title>By: Reba Haas</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/07/13/how-do-consumers-find-ethical-help/#comment-191734</link>
		<dc:creator>Reba Haas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy to hear this news. We&#039;ve turned down clients where we found out that lender fraud was going to occur or had in the client&#039;s background. Case in point, the investor buying new construction condos to flip after completion. We&#039;ve had several people tell us that they get the loans under the auspices of &quot;owner occupied&quot; when they have no intention of living in the unit at all. We tell them that it is a felony to conduct lender/mortgage fraud and we walk from the client in the first interview. I&#039;m not about to risk my business just so some guy can make an extra $2000 (example only) on a deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy to hear this news. We&#8217;ve turned down clients where we found out that lender fraud was going to occur or had in the client&#8217;s background. Case in point, the investor buying new construction condos to flip after completion. We&#8217;ve had several people tell us that they get the loans under the auspices of &#8220;owner occupied&#8221; when they have no intention of living in the unit at all. We tell them that it is a felony to conduct lender/mortgage fraud and we walk from the client in the first interview. I&#8217;m not about to risk my business just so some guy can make an extra $2000 (example only) on a deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Cipa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Cipa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nancy &amp; Tim:  You are right on.  Reputable escrow/title agents will refuse to do business and refuse to enable fraud.

A coupleof years ago we had a 1000 red flag alert come up when some fellows from NYC arrived in Johnstown to buy up massive numbers of modestly priced homes.  They literally drove into and out of town in velvet sweat suits in big cars with bags of cash.

They had mob written all over them and we were very careful but didn&#039;t allow them to control or change our business methods.  As soon as we were able, we told them to hit the road - nicely so as not to die in the process.

The lenders we tried to protect against fraud really didn&#039;t want to know.  A few of the Realtors shut their doors to them but the ones who were hungry took the deals and their sellers suffered.

An inexperienced, hungry title agent took the deals and thought we were nuts.

Think about all of the stories we hear about fraud and think how many of them would have been stopped had they just had a strong, reputable escrow/title agent in control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy &amp; Tim:  You are right on.  Reputable escrow/title agents will refuse to do business and refuse to enable fraud.</p>
<p>A coupleof years ago we had a 1000 red flag alert come up when some fellows from NYC arrived in Johnstown to buy up massive numbers of modestly priced homes.  They literally drove into and out of town in velvet sweat suits in big cars with bags of cash.</p>
<p>They had mob written all over them and we were very careful but didn&#8217;t allow them to control or change our business methods.  As soon as we were able, we told them to hit the road &#8211; nicely so as not to die in the process.</p>
<p>The lenders we tried to protect against fraud really didn&#8217;t want to know.  A few of the Realtors shut their doors to them but the ones who were hungry took the deals and their sellers suffered.</p>
<p>An inexperienced, hungry title agent took the deals and thought we were nuts.</p>
<p>Think about all of the stories we hear about fraud and think how many of them would have been stopped had they just had a strong, reputable escrow/title agent in control.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think most title companies (I know mine has) have endeavored to do some kind of Fraud Awareness training and require that closers go through Management if there are transactions which have &quot;red flags&quot;.
Personally, I have turned business away or demanded to speak with the underwriter to content myself that the lender clearly understands exactly what is going on with the transaction.
This, of course, doesn&#039;t answer the concerns an investor may have or where the deal I turn away goes when we won&#039;t close it.
I do know that the Uniform Closing Instructions (promulgated by MBA, AEA and ALTA) have mandatory fraud reporting by the settlement agent settlement agent. It&#039;s likely those will be rolled out sometime next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think most title companies (I know mine has) have endeavored to do some kind of Fraud Awareness training and require that closers go through Management if there are transactions which have &#8220;red flags&#8221;.<br />
Personally, I have turned business away or demanded to speak with the underwriter to content myself that the lender clearly understands exactly what is going on with the transaction.<br />
This, of course, doesn&#8217;t answer the concerns an investor may have or where the deal I turn away goes when we won&#8217;t close it.<br />
I do know that the Uniform Closing Instructions (promulgated by MBA, AEA and ALTA) have mandatory fraud reporting by the settlement agent settlement agent. It&#8217;s likely those will be rolled out sometime next year.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/07/13/how-do-consumers-find-ethical-help/#comment-191722</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, my personal disclaimer: I have had this darn head-cold for over a week...so forgive me if this is a real dumb question...  are you only a neutral third party when you&#039;re entered into a transaction?  You can refuse to do business with anyone and you can also report fraud...correct?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, my personal disclaimer: I have had this darn head-cold for over a week&#8230;so forgive me if this is a real dumb question&#8230;  are you only a neutral third party when you&#8217;re entered into a transaction?  You can refuse to do business with anyone and you can also report fraud&#8230;correct?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Nancy.   And, I don&#039;t think agents nor loan officers realize the discussions that go on between escrow or title firms (behind the scene)s in which we share information to reduce fraud or put others on notice regarding potentially fraudulant behavior/transactions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Nancy.   And, I don&#8217;t think agents nor loan officers realize the discussions that go on between escrow or title firms (behind the scene)s in which we share information to reduce fraud or put others on notice regarding potentially fraudulant behavior/transactions.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think, when they formulated escrow&#039;s neutrality, they thought we would be neutral (and silent) in the face of fraud on our desk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think, when they formulated escrow&#8217;s neutrality, they thought we would be neutral (and silent) in the face of fraud on our desk.</p>
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		<title>By: Who is to Blame for the Subprime Meltdown? &#124; Rain City Guide &#124; A Seattle Real Estate Blog...</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/07/13/how-do-consumers-find-ethical-help/#comment-181040</link>
		<dc:creator>Who is to Blame for the Subprime Meltdown? &#124; Rain City Guide &#124; A Seattle Real Estate Blog...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Escrow closers for being a neutral, powerless, third party observer to the madness; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Escrow closers for being a neutral, powerless, third party observer to the madness; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Cipa, General Manager, The Closing Specialists®</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/07/13/how-do-consumers-find-ethical-help/#comment-163857</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Cipa, General Manager, The Closing Specialists®</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jillayne.  As always, an interesting discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jillayne.  As always, an interesting discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/07/13/how-do-consumers-find-ethical-help/#comment-163854</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Diane,

We agree on many points.  

The golden rule is easy. 

For complex, business ethical dilemma, we must move beyond the golden rule and consider how the other person wants to be treated, instead of assuming everyone wants to be treated the way we do.

Most everyone understands the golden rule as it was taught to us.  Rarely, if ever, would the golden rule solve our ethical dilemmas in the practice of real estate, escrow, title, or lending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Diane,</p>
<p>We agree on many points.  </p>
<p>The golden rule is easy. </p>
<p>For complex, business ethical dilemma, we must move beyond the golden rule and consider how the other person wants to be treated, instead of assuming everyone wants to be treated the way we do.</p>
<p>Most everyone understands the golden rule as it was taught to us.  Rarely, if ever, would the golden rule solve our ethical dilemmas in the practice of real estate, escrow, title, or lending.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Cipa, General Manager, The Closing Specialists®</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/07/13/how-do-consumers-find-ethical-help/#comment-163740</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Cipa, General Manager, The Closing Specialists®</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When we teach business ethics to people in a position of trust, who intend to serve the public, especially licensed persons, the Golden Rule is still, in my opinion, the most reliable barometer for an individual faced with an ethical choice.

All rules in general aren&#039;t the issue.  We&#039;re talking about good sense commonly held values, easily understood, which if aspired to will likely result in fulfillment of the trust promised in the professional or fiduciary relationship.

Here&#039;s a quote from The Mortgage Fraud Blog in which Kathleen Rice,  Nassau County district attorney, explains why she will be so tough with the accused:

“Attorneys have more than just a professional responsibility to represent their clients’ interests,” said Rice. “These are professionals working in a position of trust, very often for clients who are not familiar with the law and may be going through an incredibly difficult episode in their lives. We will be very aggressive in going after professionals violating this trust and preying upon the vulnerabilities of their clients.” 

I maintain that this is true for Realtors, mortgage lenders, title agents and attorneys - and that&#039;s what we are discussing, trust and the ethical treatment of the consumer in a real property transaction.

I think it&#039;s a fair bet that consumers would choose a professional who aspires to the Golden Rule in business transactions, which they understand, rather than a professional whose transactional ethical standards can&#039;t easily be defined.

I realize everything is not black and white.  We certainly have lots of shades of gray but by aspiring to some simple easy to understand - commonly held values - is a good thing in our business.

Much of the heartache of the current industry-wide correction may have been avoided if traditional standards were embraced by leadership and supported by peer pressure.

We have to heal our collective professional relationship with the consumer and with each other.  The Golden Rule is not a bad place to start.

You are definitely right the following rules does not make a person ethical but it may create ethical outcomes.  Peer pressure is a good thing when it supports right outcomes.  So when we have a rogue Realtor, operating outside of the agreed ethical code, fellow Realtors put pressure on that individual to perform in an acceptable manner or face the consequences.

We have to face the facts that there are lots of personalities operating in our business and most will never be vetted with any kind of ethical scrutiny.  So absent a good selection process, we can espouse simple guidelines like the Golden Rule, which most understand.  It&#039;s not a panacea, but it moves us forward in the right direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we teach business ethics to people in a position of trust, who intend to serve the public, especially licensed persons, the Golden Rule is still, in my opinion, the most reliable barometer for an individual faced with an ethical choice.</p>
<p>All rules in general aren&#8217;t the issue.  We&#8217;re talking about good sense commonly held values, easily understood, which if aspired to will likely result in fulfillment of the trust promised in the professional or fiduciary relationship.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a quote from The Mortgage Fraud Blog in which Kathleen Rice,  Nassau County district attorney, explains why she will be so tough with the accused:</p>
<p>“Attorneys have more than just a professional responsibility to represent their clients’ interests,” said Rice. “These are professionals working in a position of trust, very often for clients who are not familiar with the law and may be going through an incredibly difficult episode in their lives. We will be very aggressive in going after professionals violating this trust and preying upon the vulnerabilities of their clients.” </p>
<p>I maintain that this is true for Realtors, mortgage lenders, title agents and attorneys &#8211; and that&#8217;s what we are discussing, trust and the ethical treatment of the consumer in a real property transaction.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a fair bet that consumers would choose a professional who aspires to the Golden Rule in business transactions, which they understand, rather than a professional whose transactional ethical standards can&#8217;t easily be defined.</p>
<p>I realize everything is not black and white.  We certainly have lots of shades of gray but by aspiring to some simple easy to understand &#8211; commonly held values &#8211; is a good thing in our business.</p>
<p>Much of the heartache of the current industry-wide correction may have been avoided if traditional standards were embraced by leadership and supported by peer pressure.</p>
<p>We have to heal our collective professional relationship with the consumer and with each other.  The Golden Rule is not a bad place to start.</p>
<p>You are definitely right the following rules does not make a person ethical but it may create ethical outcomes.  Peer pressure is a good thing when it supports right outcomes.  So when we have a rogue Realtor, operating outside of the agreed ethical code, fellow Realtors put pressure on that individual to perform in an acceptable manner or face the consequences.</p>
<p>We have to face the facts that there are lots of personalities operating in our business and most will never be vetted with any kind of ethical scrutiny.  So absent a good selection process, we can espouse simple guidelines like the Golden Rule, which most understand.  It&#8217;s not a panacea, but it moves us forward in the right direction.</p>
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