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	<title>Comments on: Cease &amp; Desist Order by Wa. State Insurance Commission against Title Co.</title>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/08/06/cease-desist-order-by-wa-state-insurance-commission-against-title-co/#comment-250162</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if the irs was to look at the deductions these companies are taking for the costs of the referrals they would all be disallowed. That is because while the company claims they paid them in the course of their business, irs code section 162(c)(2) says they are not deductible and therefore a big tax deduction is lost. Informants do get a percentage.

(2) Other illegal payments 
No deduction shall be allowed for any payment made, directly or indirectly, to any person, if the payment constitutes an illegal bribe, illegal kickback, or other illegal payment under any law of the United States, or under any law of a State (but only if such State law is generally enforced), which subjects the payor to a criminal penalty or the loss of license or privilege to engage in a trade or business. For purposes of this paragraph, a kickback includes a payment in consideration of the referral of a client, patient, or customer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if the irs was to look at the deductions these companies are taking for the costs of the referrals they would all be disallowed. That is because while the company claims they paid them in the course of their business, irs code section 162(c)(2) says they are not deductible and therefore a big tax deduction is lost. Informants do get a percentage.</p>
<p>(2) Other illegal payments<br />
No deduction shall be allowed for any payment made, directly or indirectly, to any person, if the payment constitutes an illegal bribe, illegal kickback, or other illegal payment under any law of the United States, or under any law of a State (but only if such State law is generally enforced), which subjects the payor to a criminal penalty or the loss of license or privilege to engage in a trade or business. For purposes of this paragraph, a kickback includes a payment in consideration of the referral of a client, patient, or customer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/08/06/cease-desist-order-by-wa-state-insurance-commission-against-title-co/#comment-173954</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tim, did you see this? From this afternoon&#039;s Seattle Times. It looks like the Insurance Commissioner is going to go forward with a 1.95 million dollar fine against Stewart of Snohomish County.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003855843_webstewart27.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tim, did you see this? From this afternoon&#8217;s Seattle Times. It looks like the Insurance Commissioner is going to go forward with a 1.95 million dollar fine against Stewart of Snohomish County.</p>
<p><a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003855843_webstewart27.html" rel="nofollow">http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003855843_webstewart27.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/08/06/cease-desist-order-by-wa-state-insurance-commission-against-title-co/#comment-169070</link>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 04:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fine...even better...RESPA is a federal law and violators whether title company (who&#039;s giving it) or Realtor (who&#039;s receiving, and in many cases asking) should be held to the same standard.

Let&#039;s be honest...Brokers and Realtor&#039;s ask for these incentives.  They make it abundantly clear that if you (the title company) aren&#039;t willing to give it to them then they will take their business elsewhere.  Some will go as far as to forbid a title company that won&#039;t participate from even stepping in the door of their office.

If the Insurance Commissioner doesn&#039;t have the authority to enforce it then someone does and the commissioner, I&#039;m sure, has their ear.

I&#039;m not going to hold my breath that anything of substance will be done against the offending real estate companies.  The Washington Association of Realtors (WAR), like many other states is a powerful political force.

Net result - Consumer Gets Screwed!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine&#8230;even better&#8230;RESPA is a federal law and violators whether title company (who&#8217;s giving it) or Realtor (who&#8217;s receiving, and in many cases asking) should be held to the same standard.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be honest&#8230;Brokers and Realtor&#8217;s ask for these incentives.  They make it abundantly clear that if you (the title company) aren&#8217;t willing to give it to them then they will take their business elsewhere.  Some will go as far as to forbid a title company that won&#8217;t participate from even stepping in the door of their office.</p>
<p>If the Insurance Commissioner doesn&#8217;t have the authority to enforce it then someone does and the commissioner, I&#8217;m sure, has their ear.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to hold my breath that anything of substance will be done against the offending real estate companies.  The Washington Association of Realtors (WAR), like many other states is a powerful political force.</p>
<p>Net result &#8211; Consumer Gets Screwed!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/08/06/cease-desist-order-by-wa-state-insurance-commission-against-title-co/#comment-169052</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 02:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi scott,

A state insurance commissioner has no authority over a real estate agent&#039;s acceptance of the kickbacks, which is likely a section 8 RESPA violation, a federal law.

That jurisdiction is HUD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi scott,</p>
<p>A state insurance commissioner has no authority over a real estate agent&#8217;s acceptance of the kickbacks, which is likely a section 8 RESPA violation, a federal law.</p>
<p>That jurisdiction is HUD.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/08/06/cease-desist-order-by-wa-state-insurance-commission-against-title-co/#comment-169050</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 02:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly, there&#039;s a law fim bringing action against a group of title companies claiming that they were overcharged due to these insurance commissioner violations.  Here&#039;s the update from the Seattle PI
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/326909_title09.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, there&#8217;s a law fim bringing action against a group of title companies claiming that they were overcharged due to these insurance commissioner violations.  Here&#8217;s the update from the Seattle PI<br />
<a href="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/326909_title09.html" rel="nofollow">http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/326909_title09.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/08/06/cease-desist-order-by-wa-state-insurance-commission-against-title-co/#comment-168951</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott-

Yes, I completely agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott-</p>
<p>Yes, I completely agree.</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/08/06/cease-desist-order-by-wa-state-insurance-commission-against-title-co/#comment-168950</link>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Insurance Commissioner really wanted to stop this practice they would go after the people receiving these kickbacks as well.  If it is a RESPA violation to give them then it is a RESPA violation to accept them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Insurance Commissioner really wanted to stop this practice they would go after the people receiving these kickbacks as well.  If it is a RESPA violation to give them then it is a RESPA violation to accept them.</p>
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		<title>By: You&#8217;ve been a bad, bad title company&#8230; &#171; Team Reba Seattle Real Estate Blog</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/08/06/cease-desist-order-by-wa-state-insurance-commission-against-title-co/#comment-168893</link>
		<dc:creator>You&#8217;ve been a bad, bad title company&#8230; &#171; Team Reba Seattle Real Estate Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Aug 11th, 2007 by teamreba    An awesome article on Rain City Guide that follows up on the recently noted injunction against Stewart Title is at this link: http://www.raincityguide.com/2007/08/06/cease-desist-order-by-wa-state-insurance-commission-against-title-co/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Aug 11th, 2007 by teamreba    An awesome article on Rain City Guide that follows up on the recently noted injunction against Stewart Title is at this link: <a href="http://www.raincityguide.com/2007/08/06/cease-desist-order-by-wa-state-insurance-commission-against-title-co/" rel="nofollow">http://www.raincityguide.com/2007/08/06/cease-desist-order-by-wa-state-insurance-commission-against-title-co/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Reba Haas</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/08/06/cease-desist-order-by-wa-state-insurance-commission-against-title-co/#comment-168715</link>
		<dc:creator>Reba Haas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 23:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your post, Tim, and thanks for putting it out there.  I&#039;d seen the Seattle Times article about this the other day and hadn&#039;t gotten around to commenting yet. I couldn&#039;t believe the list of desk fees noted in here and can&#039;t even imagine that the broker&#039;s allowed it to begin with!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your post, Tim, and thanks for putting it out there.  I&#8217;d seen the Seattle Times article about this the other day and hadn&#8217;t gotten around to commenting yet. I couldn&#8217;t believe the list of desk fees noted in here and can&#8217;t even imagine that the broker&#8217;s allowed it to begin with!</p>
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		<title>By: Soap that can scratch your back &#124; Rain City Guide &#124; A Seattle Real Estate Blog...</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2007/08/06/cease-desist-order-by-wa-state-insurance-commission-against-title-co/#comment-168038</link>
		<dc:creator>Soap that can scratch your back &#124; Rain City Guide &#124; A Seattle Real Estate Blog...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Soap that can scratch your back August 7, 2007 Soap from Foliage to go with Tim&#8217;s &#8220;You scratch my back, I&#8217;ll scratch yours&#8221; post [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Soap that can scratch your back August 7, 2007 Soap from Foliage to go with Tim&#8217;s &#8220;You scratch my back, I&#8217;ll scratch yours&#8221; post [...]</p>
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