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		<title>By: RealEstateUndressed &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nominating 7 Magnificent Consumer Articles For August - Round 1</title>
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		<dc:creator>RealEstateUndressed &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nominating 7 Magnificent Consumer Articles For August - Round 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1- If Your Loan Isn&#8217;t Vanilla, You May Be In For A Rocky Road, by you guessed it, Rhonda I want A T Porter. Rain City Guide [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>magnolia44,

I highly encourage you to bring your scenario to a real estate attorney. There&#039;s two of them on this blog that you can contact: Russ or Craig.

There are alot of title issues I see that you&#039;re not even covering, there&#039;s the issue of the MIL&#039;s obligation to the bank, as Rhonda pointed out.

If you&#039;re not sure if this is &quot;legal&quot; why not get a legal opinion? My first thought when I read your scenario was, &quot;who is talking them into this, and why?&quot;  

I mean, don&#039;t you even want to have the home appraised and inspected? What if the family member is selling you a home that&#039;s going to need a lot of work and they&#039;re not giving you the full picture? Who&#039;s going to prepare the final documents and get them recorded?  

From my 25 years in the business, when dealing with family members, it is absolutely imperative that everything is dealt with on the up-and-up, because this usually translates into family peace down the road.

You need a disinterested, arm&#039;s length, third party to give you a reality check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>magnolia44,</p>
<p>I highly encourage you to bring your scenario to a real estate attorney. There&#8217;s two of them on this blog that you can contact: Russ or Craig.</p>
<p>There are alot of title issues I see that you&#8217;re not even covering, there&#8217;s the issue of the MIL&#8217;s obligation to the bank, as Rhonda pointed out.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re not sure if this is &#8220;legal&#8221; why not get a legal opinion? My first thought when I read your scenario was, &#8220;who is talking them into this, and why?&#8221;  </p>
<p>I mean, don&#8217;t you even want to have the home appraised and inspected? What if the family member is selling you a home that&#8217;s going to need a lot of work and they&#8217;re not giving you the full picture? Who&#8217;s going to prepare the final documents and get them recorded?  </p>
<p>From my 25 years in the business, when dealing with family members, it is absolutely imperative that everything is dealt with on the up-and-up, because this usually translates into family peace down the road.</p>
<p>You need a disinterested, arm&#8217;s length, third party to give you a reality check.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it legal sounds like a question for an attorney.   

Family can gift real estate and there may be excise tax due.  Lenders may have requirements with how long a person has been on title before consumating a loan.  &quot;Taking over payments&quot; may be an issue with the underlying lender.   

You need to speak to a real estate attorney.   If you&#039;re going to do this, do it right.    The agreement (deed of trust) with the lender is with certain parties who signed the deed of trust.   Cutting corners on fees upfront could really cost you (and your family) in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it legal sounds like a question for an attorney.   </p>
<p>Family can gift real estate and there may be excise tax due.  Lenders may have requirements with how long a person has been on title before consumating a loan.  &#8220;Taking over payments&#8221; may be an issue with the underlying lender.   </p>
<p>You need to speak to a real estate attorney.   If you&#8217;re going to do this, do it right.    The agreement (deed of trust) with the lender is with certain parties who signed the deed of trust.   Cutting corners on fees upfront could really cost you (and your family) in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: magnolia44</title>
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		<dc:creator>magnolia44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW is this scenario legal.

MIL &amp; Brother are on Title.
MIL refinances 80% of home value pays off brother for his 50% takes him off title, adds me and the wife with her on title. MIL takes remaining proceeds and we give mother in law our down payment 10%. The wife and I take over the refi payments and have a small side loan for the remaining purchase price 10%. 
80% refi+10% down+10% loan to MIL = purchase price.
In doing this we avoid many fees and it may work out pretty well, but is it legal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW is this scenario legal.</p>
<p>MIL &amp; Brother are on Title.<br />
MIL refinances 80% of home value pays off brother for his 50% takes him off title, adds me and the wife with her on title. MIL takes remaining proceeds and we give mother in law our down payment 10%. The wife and I take over the refi payments and have a small side loan for the remaining purchase price 10%.<br />
80% refi+10% down+10% loan to MIL = purchase price.<br />
In doing this we avoid many fees and it may work out pretty well, but is it legal?</p>
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		<title>By: magnolia44</title>
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		<dc:creator>magnolia44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest only way we buy is a family home that is in probate right now. $$ would go to my MIL and her brother, PITI would come in @ around 28% of income, a bit high but no other serious debt &amp; incomes should rise (we are 28). If we dont get this home we sit on the sidelines and wait with our nice downpayment thats been building for 3 years now. Time will tell dealing with family can be tough but we have 1/2 the party on our side :) . 

Best case scenario is MIL carries some $$ say 20% of her portion and we pay her, next thing you know we lock in a conforming. The home is in Magnolia and to be honest I see a few sitting around with asking prices that are a bit high.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest only way we buy is a family home that is in probate right now. $$ would go to my MIL and her brother, PITI would come in @ around 28% of income, a bit high but no other serious debt &amp; incomes should rise (we are 28). If we dont get this home we sit on the sidelines and wait with our nice downpayment thats been building for 3 years now. Time will tell dealing with family can be tough but we have 1/2 the party on our side <img src='http://raincityguide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  . </p>
<p>Best case scenario is MIL carries some $$ say 20% of her portion and we pay her, next thing you know we lock in a conforming. The home is in Magnolia and to be honest I see a few sitting around with asking prices that are a bit high.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandy, it sounds like a great resource for non-conforming.  Especially during these times.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy, it sounds like a great resource for non-conforming.  Especially during these times.  <img src='http://raincityguide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rhonda--I don&#039;t know how familiar you are with them but USAA is a pretty unique business -- they only allow active duty and retired military personel, and children of members, to be members.  Used to be they only allowed officers and officers&#039; kids, but they seem to have opened it up to enlisted too.  Anyway, they may be somewhat insulated from what is going on given they&#039;ve got a pretty low-risk clientele.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rhonda&#8211;I don&#8217;t know how familiar you are with them but USAA is a pretty unique business &#8212; they only allow active duty and retired military personel, and children of members, to be members.  Used to be they only allowed officers and officers&#8217; kids, but they seem to have opened it up to enlisted too.  Anyway, they may be somewhat insulated from what is going on given they&#8217;ve got a pretty low-risk clientele.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>faster, I don&#039;t think &quot;not qualifying for a loan you’re barely able to&quot; is happening much anymore.   It&#039;s back to the good ol&#039; days of actually having to qualify for a mortgage and not how much home you can buy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>faster, I don&#8217;t think &#8220;not qualifying for a loan you’re barely able to&#8221; is happening much anymore.   It&#8217;s back to the good ol&#8217; days of actually having to qualify for a mortgage and not how much home you can buy.</p>
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		<title>By: faster</title>
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		<dc:creator>faster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4. Make sure you really want to spend what you&#039;re spending on that house, because right now not qualifying for a loan you&#039;re barely able to get might not be the worst thing that could happen to you.

Maybe having to walk on eggshells just to get that loan is the market&#039;s way of telling you you&#039;re spending more than you probably should. There are a lot of people in places like California, Florida, and Arizona who probably wish they hadn&#039;t qualified for their loans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4. Make sure you really want to spend what you&#8217;re spending on that house, because right now not qualifying for a loan you&#8217;re barely able to get might not be the worst thing that could happen to you.</p>
<p>Maybe having to walk on eggshells just to get that loan is the market&#8217;s way of telling you you&#8217;re spending more than you probably should. There are a lot of people in places like California, Florida, and Arizona who probably wish they hadn&#8217;t qualified for their loans.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Magnolia44, it will be interesting to see how long they&#039;ll offer the money at that rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Magnolia44, it will be interesting to see how long they&#8217;ll offer the money at that rate.</p>
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