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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/01/13/improving-your-credit-score/#comment-332461</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cautious buyer, that&#039;s a great question (40).  Let me ask my resources to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cautious buyer, that&#8217;s a great question (40).  Let me ask my resources to see.</p>
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		<title>By: Kary L. Krismer</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/01/13/improving-your-credit-score/#comment-332450</link>
		<dc:creator>Kary L. Krismer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CB, I don&#039;t know if that would work to improve your credit score (there are all sorts of goofy things that affect it) but you&#039;d probably want to get a 72 month loan if you did that.  I don&#039;t have my amortizing calculator handy, but if you didn&#039;t adjust the term the payments would be twice as large.

It is an interesting question though, because that would mean that your credit score would improve faster with a 36 month loan than a 72 month loan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CB, I don&#8217;t know if that would work to improve your credit score (there are all sorts of goofy things that affect it) but you&#8217;d probably want to get a 72 month loan if you did that.  I don&#8217;t have my amortizing calculator handy, but if you didn&#8217;t adjust the term the payments would be twice as large.</p>
<p>It is an interesting question though, because that would mean that your credit score would improve faster with a 36 month loan than a 72 month loan.</p>
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		<title>By: Cautious Buyer</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/01/13/improving-your-credit-score/#comment-332449</link>
		<dc:creator>Cautious Buyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rhonda, a question based on one of your comments on Jillayne&#039;s post.  

You said &quot;Two car loans that are one year old will not help your credit at all. Even if you put 50% down on the car, what’s looked at is the original loan balance to the current balance.&quot;

So if I spent $15,000 on a car and wanted to pay $8000 up front and finance the rest, the best way would be to get a $15,000 loan and send in an $8000 check as soon as I got home, rather than make an $8000 down payment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rhonda, a question based on one of your comments on Jillayne&#8217;s post.  </p>
<p>You said &#8220;Two car loans that are one year old will not help your credit at all. Even if you put 50% down on the car, what’s looked at is the original loan balance to the current balance.&#8221;</p>
<p>So if I spent $15,000 on a car and wanted to pay $8000 up front and finance the rest, the best way would be to get a $15,000 loan and send in an $8000 check as soon as I got home, rather than make an $8000 down payment?</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/01/13/improving-your-credit-score/#comment-332367</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kary, I&#039;ve never been a fan of the credit scoring system.  Some people luck out with what appears to be higher than deserved scores and others have much lower scores than what&#039;s reflective of their credit behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kary, I&#8217;ve never been a fan of the credit scoring system.  Some people luck out with what appears to be higher than deserved scores and others have much lower scores than what&#8217;s reflective of their credit behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Kary L. Krismer</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/01/13/improving-your-credit-score/#comment-332358</link>
		<dc:creator>Kary L. Krismer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what I&#039;m saying is those factors are more aimed at the decision making process for someone giving out a new credit card.  Those factors wouldn&#039;t even be considered by a rational individual making a home mortgage loan to a debtor.

$44,000 of credit card credit limit and $10,000 owed--only a credit card company would care they are all on the same card.  (Why you might ask?  They want some idea that the person will actually use the new card, and using four cards as opposed to one is a sign they will.).  Only a credit card company would care about the age of the accounts.  (Why you might ask?  Because they would rather have a long term customer than someone who opens and closes accounts frequently--although there a home lender might have similar concerns.)

There are a lot of other areas where the credit score system makes no sense in the context of trying to decide whether or not to make a home loan.  They really need an alternative scoring system that does make some sense.

BTW, on the four credit card system, having one card with $10,000 owing when you have three others with $33,000 of credit line isn&#039;t living to the max.  It very well might be making a prudent financial decision.  Perhaps that card has the lowest rate.  Very unlikely that four credit cards would tie for the lowest rate.  So the credit scoring system rewards making poor financial decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what I&#8217;m saying is those factors are more aimed at the decision making process for someone giving out a new credit card.  Those factors wouldn&#8217;t even be considered by a rational individual making a home mortgage loan to a debtor.</p>
<p>$44,000 of credit card credit limit and $10,000 owed&#8211;only a credit card company would care they are all on the same card.  (Why you might ask?  They want some idea that the person will actually use the new card, and using four cards as opposed to one is a sign they will.).  Only a credit card company would care about the age of the accounts.  (Why you might ask?  Because they would rather have a long term customer than someone who opens and closes accounts frequently&#8211;although there a home lender might have similar concerns.)</p>
<p>There are a lot of other areas where the credit score system makes no sense in the context of trying to decide whether or not to make a home loan.  They really need an alternative scoring system that does make some sense.</p>
<p>BTW, on the four credit card system, having one card with $10,000 owing when you have three others with $33,000 of credit line isn&#8217;t living to the max.  It very well might be making a prudent financial decision.  Perhaps that card has the lowest rate.  Very unlikely that four credit cards would tie for the lowest rate.  So the credit scoring system rewards making poor financial decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/01/13/improving-your-credit-score/#comment-332353</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m taking this conversaton from Jillayne&#039;s post about FHA&#039;s insurance fund being down which is not really about credit scoring....hoping to keep her post on track about the subject matter.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.raincityguide.com/2009/01/14/fha-mortgage-insurance-fund-down-40/comment-page-1/#comment-332346&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kary says &lt;/a&gt;



&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I assume by “ideal” you mean ideal for a good credit score. Ideal for making a home loan would be 4 tradelines of any age, on which nothing but current charges are owing, and no defaults of record in the past 7 years.

But that brings up another absurdity of the credit score system. Owing $10,000 on one credit card is worse than owing $2,500 on four, assuming in both cases the debtor has four credit cards and the credit limit on each is $11,000. That’s nuts, and should not even be a distinction when it comes to making a mortgage loan.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;



An &quot;ideal&quot; credit score is now anything 740 or higher.  It used to be anything 700 or higher was good.  The bar&#039;s been dramatically raised. 

I had stated on the other post of Jillayne that Kary was wrong but re-reading it...he&#039;s right.  Funny how you have to re-read something a few times sometimes.  ;)

A person is better off with 4 credit cards with each having $2,500 owed and limits of $11,000 than 1 card with $11,000 limit and $10,000 owed.  BINGO.

The system is trying to make sure that someone isn&#039;t living to the &quot;max&quot;.  It&#039;s far from perfect.  I&#039;ve seen folks who get a very low interest rate on a credit card, transfer balances and then ding their scores.   I think it&#039;s fine to do (pay less interest) as long as you&#039;re not planning on buying or refinancing soon.   This also depends on what your entire credit report looks like and what the scores currently are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m taking this conversaton from Jillayne&#8217;s post about FHA&#8217;s insurance fund being down which is not really about credit scoring&#8230;.hoping to keep her post on track about the subject matter.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.raincityguide.com/2009/01/14/fha-mortgage-insurance-fund-down-40/comment-page-1/#comment-332346" rel="nofollow">Kary says </a></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I assume by “ideal” you mean ideal for a good credit score. Ideal for making a home loan would be 4 tradelines of any age, on which nothing but current charges are owing, and no defaults of record in the past 7 years.</p>
<p>But that brings up another absurdity of the credit score system. Owing $10,000 on one credit card is worse than owing $2,500 on four, assuming in both cases the debtor has four credit cards and the credit limit on each is $11,000. That’s nuts, and should not even be a distinction when it comes to making a mortgage loan.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>An &#8220;ideal&#8221; credit score is now anything 740 or higher.  It used to be anything 700 or higher was good.  The bar&#8217;s been dramatically raised. </p>
<p>I had stated on the other post of Jillayne that Kary was wrong but re-reading it&#8230;he&#8217;s right.  Funny how you have to re-read something a few times sometimes.  <img src='http://raincityguide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>A person is better off with 4 credit cards with each having $2,500 owed and limits of $11,000 than 1 card with $11,000 limit and $10,000 owed.  BINGO.</p>
<p>The system is trying to make sure that someone isn&#8217;t living to the &#8220;max&#8221;.  It&#8217;s far from perfect.  I&#8217;ve seen folks who get a very low interest rate on a credit card, transfer balances and then ding their scores.   I think it&#8217;s fine to do (pay less interest) as long as you&#8217;re not planning on buying or refinancing soon.   This also depends on what your entire credit report looks like and what the scores currently are.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/01/13/improving-your-credit-score/#comment-327521</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SU your score of 755 is fine with Equifax.  What are your other three scores?  It&#039;s your mid score or, if you have two on the mortgage, your co-borrowers mid score that counts.   If you have a co-borrower and their mid score is lower than yours, than that&#039;s what will be used.

If you have a zero balance now, then there&#039;s no need to raise your limit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SU your score of 755 is fine with Equifax.  What are your other three scores?  It&#8217;s your mid score or, if you have two on the mortgage, your co-borrowers mid score that counts.   If you have a co-borrower and their mid score is lower than yours, than that&#8217;s what will be used.</p>
<p>If you have a zero balance now, then there&#8217;s no need to raise your limit.</p>
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		<title>By: Scores up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scores up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 04:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am interested in refinancing  my mortgage. My Equifax score is 755 and I am trying to get it higher. My credit card has a zero balance however I overspent my limit by a few dollars once. If I ask for an increase in limit, it would fix that problem. OR would it lower my score base on the newly increase in limit and inquiry. What do u think? Thanks, SU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am interested in refinancing  my mortgage. My Equifax score is 755 and I am trying to get it higher. My credit card has a zero balance however I overspent my limit by a few dollars once. If I ask for an increase in limit, it would fix that problem. OR would it lower my score base on the newly increase in limit and inquiry. What do u think? Thanks, SU</p>
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		<title>By: Major Credit Score Rate Adjustments &#8212; The Hits Keep Coming &#124; Seattle's Rain City Real Estate Guide</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/01/13/improving-your-credit-score/#comment-316488</link>
		<dc:creator>Major Credit Score Rate Adjustments &#8212; The Hits Keep Coming &#124; Seattle's Rain City Real Estate Guide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/01/13/improving-your-credit-score/#comment-312144</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tanya, it&#039;s my understanding that inactive accounts are treated as &quot;closed accounts&quot; by the scoring modules...(in my credit scoring world, borrowers would be rewarded for not using available credit, closing accounts, etc.).   While 13 points may not sound like a lot to some folks, if your score was 725 and now your below 720, your rate for a new mortgage just went up. BTW I encourage borrowers to not close older accounts when they are considerig buying a home.   You can always close accounts after your home mortgage has closed.

With your Visa&#039;s, if you&#039;re beyond 50% of the available limit (the next scoring level is 30%) you will be dinged with your scores.  Review your four balances to see if you are above 30 or 50% and pay that account down first while making minimum payments on the others until you pay the accounts beyond 30/50.  Also, there are some accounts who do not report what your credit line is to the credit reporting agencies (like AMEX and I believe Capital One) which makes it appear as though you&#039;ve maxxed your credit line, when in reality, you have not.

It shouldn&#039;t take long to bounce back 13 points...perhaps a month or so.   Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tanya, it&#8217;s my understanding that inactive accounts are treated as &#8220;closed accounts&#8221; by the scoring modules&#8230;(in my credit scoring world, borrowers would be rewarded for not using available credit, closing accounts, etc.).   While 13 points may not sound like a lot to some folks, if your score was 725 and now your below 720, your rate for a new mortgage just went up. BTW I encourage borrowers to not close older accounts when they are considerig buying a home.   You can always close accounts after your home mortgage has closed.</p>
<p>With your Visa&#8217;s, if you&#8217;re beyond 50% of the available limit (the next scoring level is 30%) you will be dinged with your scores.  Review your four balances to see if you are above 30 or 50% and pay that account down first while making minimum payments on the others until you pay the accounts beyond 30/50.  Also, there are some accounts who do not report what your credit line is to the credit reporting agencies (like AMEX and I believe Capital One) which makes it appear as though you&#8217;ve maxxed your credit line, when in reality, you have not.</p>
<p>It shouldn&#8217;t take long to bounce back 13 points&#8230;perhaps a month or so.   Good luck.</p>
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