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	<title>Comments on: Flying under the radar with the stealthy SecondSpace</title>
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		<title>By: Real Estate News - Banks.com</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/02/10/flying-under-the-radar-with-the-stealthy-secondspace/#comment-269537</link>
		<dc:creator>Real Estate News - Banks.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Though it only has a measly 70,000 listings and no significant marketing push thus far, according to the Rain City Guide, SecondSpace still shows great promise. The company has received more than $6 million in venture funding. It is predicted that they might eventually expand to offer other sites targeted at time shares, vacation homes overseas, etc. This may be one to watch, or it may fizzle. Though the online real estate web site scene seems to be a bit overdeveloped, there may be room for the niche marketing that SecondSpace brings.  Posted in vacation homes, real estate news, Real Estate &#124;       &#171; Save Money, Negotiate Agent Commissions [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Though it only has a measly 70,000 listings and no significant marketing push thus far, according to the Rain City Guide, SecondSpace still shows great promise. The company has received more than $6 million in venture funding. It is predicted that they might eventually expand to offer other sites targeted at time shares, vacation homes overseas, etc. This may be one to watch, or it may fizzle. Though the online real estate web site scene seems to be a bit overdeveloped, there may be room for the niche marketing that SecondSpace brings.  Posted in vacation homes, real estate news, Real Estate |       &laquo; Save Money, Negotiate Agent Commissions [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Flying under the radar with the stealthy SecondSpace &#124; The Long List of Odysseus Medal Nominees &#124; Realtors and real estate, mortgages, lending, investments</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flying under the radar with the stealthy SecondSpace &#124; The Long List of Odysseus Medal Nominees &#124; Realtors and real estate, mortgages, lending, investments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 01:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Flying under the radar with the stealthy SecondSpace, by Robbie Paplin. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems the advantage could simply be in knowing I can go to a smaller site that is targeted in a niche area and get more specifics quicker and perhaps more personal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems the advantage could simply be in knowing I can go to a smaller site that is targeted in a niche area and get more specifics quicker and perhaps more personal.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still Kevin, it&#039;s a bit deceptive to the unsuspecting buyer that is not quite as tech savvy as you and I are used to them being.

We&#039;ve had people ask why something wasn&#039;t showing on Zillow, apparently thinking that it had an mls feed and all of the listings.  If people choose property there, as 2nd home people are more prone to do.  Even sight unseen at times.  It could be deceiving if it had a lot of content, and yet not all of the homes, in the featured &quot;lifestyle&quot; destination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still Kevin, it&#8217;s a bit deceptive to the unsuspecting buyer that is not quite as tech savvy as you and I are used to them being.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve had people ask why something wasn&#8217;t showing on Zillow, apparently thinking that it had an mls feed and all of the listings.  If people choose property there, as 2nd home people are more prone to do.  Even sight unseen at times.  It could be deceiving if it had a lot of content, and yet not all of the homes, in the featured &#8220;lifestyle&#8221; destination.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Boer</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/02/10/flying-under-the-radar-with-the-stealthy-secondspace/#comment-260445</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Boer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a niche site, I&#039;m not sure they need a huge percentage of the applicable listing inventory to be relevant.  Resortscape appears to offer  qualitative content that helps sell the &quot;lifestyle&quot; of the destination.  I&#039;m sure part of their strategy is indeed to beef up their inventory, but I would guess the other part is to get a lot of viewers looking for lifestyle content -- when are the best ski months in Tahoe, where can I buy a new saddle for my little horse ranch in Montana, how do I prep my Aspen home for a Colorado winter, who&#039;s a good snow-shoveling service in Vail?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a niche site, I&#8217;m not sure they need a huge percentage of the applicable listing inventory to be relevant.  Resortscape appears to offer  qualitative content that helps sell the &#8220;lifestyle&#8221; of the destination.  I&#8217;m sure part of their strategy is indeed to beef up their inventory, but I would guess the other part is to get a lot of viewers looking for lifestyle content &#8212; when are the best ski months in Tahoe, where can I buy a new saddle for my little horse ranch in Montana, how do I prep my Aspen home for a Colorado winter, who&#8217;s a good snow-shoveling service in Vail?</p>
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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geordie,

I think another problem is that the small MLS systems are less likely to have the ability of syndicating listings than the MLS systems in the big cities do. So even if a listing agent wanted to promote their listings on Landwatch or ResortScape, they likely have to enter the listing twice, instead of living in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.raincityguide.com/2007/02/10/adventures-in-digital-listing-land/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;digital listings land&lt;/a&gt; like the big boys do. That will hinder growth.

I think the small MLS systems will be interested in playing, for the same reason the big ones playing with Trulia, Zillow, and Realtor.com. The more eyeballs you get looking at a property, the easier it is to sell a property. If you don&#039;t effectively promote your listings on the internet, you prevent interested buyers who are out of region, from ever considering your listing.

One question I do have, I assume the small MLSes aren&#039;t interested in joining forces with the larger NWMLS because their members want to have the autonomy and independence they currently enjoy, despite the advantages of being in the NWMLS would bring them (easier access for big city buyers).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geordie,</p>
<p>I think another problem is that the small MLS systems are less likely to have the ability of syndicating listings than the MLS systems in the big cities do. So even if a listing agent wanted to promote their listings on Landwatch or ResortScape, they likely have to enter the listing twice, instead of living in <a href="http://www.raincityguide.com/2007/02/10/adventures-in-digital-listing-land/" rel="nofollow">digital listings land</a> like the big boys do. That will hinder growth.</p>
<p>I think the small MLS systems will be interested in playing, for the same reason the big ones playing with Trulia, Zillow, and Realtor.com. The more eyeballs you get looking at a property, the easier it is to sell a property. If you don&#8217;t effectively promote your listings on the internet, you prevent interested buyers who are out of region, from ever considering your listing.</p>
<p>One question I do have, I assume the small MLSes aren&#8217;t interested in joining forces with the larger NWMLS because their members want to have the autonomy and independence they currently enjoy, despite the advantages of being in the NWMLS would bring them (easier access for big city buyers).</p>
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		<title>By: tj</title>
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		<dc:creator>tj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding vacation homes abroad I&#039;ve done some unscientific searches as a potential buyer in countries I have lived in for an extended period. The resuls I got from &quot;central engines&quot; were dismal compared to what the local engines produced. The central engines had far fewer units, many outdated and most carried a big premium in price compared to the local comparables. This was for Europe and Africa. Don&#039;t know about Asia but I would still guess that local re-resources have an upper hand in terms of updated inventory and competetive pricing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding vacation homes abroad I&#8217;ve done some unscientific searches as a potential buyer in countries I have lived in for an extended period. The resuls I got from &#8220;central engines&#8221; were dismal compared to what the local engines produced. The central engines had far fewer units, many outdated and most carried a big premium in price compared to the local comparables. This was for Europe and Africa. Don&#8217;t know about Asia but I would still guess that local re-resources have an upper hand in terms of updated inventory and competetive pricing.</p>
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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ardell, I agree. I did some fantasy shopping for luxury &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.resortscape.com/default.aspx?ct=r&amp;q=downtown%20new%20york%20condo&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;downtown condos in NYC&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.landwatch.com/default.aspx?ct=r&amp;q=oceanfront%20land%20in%20CA&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ocean front land in California&lt;/a&gt;, and I was totally underwhelmed by the selection. However, it is impressive you can search for what&#039;s important using simple language, instead using byzantine filtering UI. However, you don&#039;t need venture capital to develop a world class property search engine that returns 0 listings. A crappy engine can return 0 listings just as well, and much more economically I might add. :)

Unless they are adding precognition and Jedi mind tricks (you don&#039;t want that NYC condo, you really want this other one in Miami) to their search engine in V 2, they are going to need a much better inventory. Right now, it&#039;s just a much better engineered &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.luxuryrealestate.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Luxury Real Estate.com&lt;/a&gt;. It is impressive, but not completely useful.

Part of their value proposition is the business intelligence and site analytics information, they collect for their advertisers and the area &amp; lifestyle information they offer consumers. So, it&#039;s likely they make more money per listing than other portals do. However, at the end of the day, you need customer enthusiasm or traffic, and I&#039;m unsure how they are going to create that with the slim selection they currently offer.

However, it could be argued that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.trendwest.com/resorts/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my time share company&lt;/a&gt; has the same inventory issue, and they are wildly successful. Maybe, you don&#039;t need millions of listings, you just need thousands of exceptional ones? Still, I like what they are doing technically and the business plan seems promising, they just need to add enough high quality listings that give me a reason to come back and tell my friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardell, I agree. I did some fantasy shopping for luxury <a href="http://www.resortscape.com/default.aspx?ct=r&amp;q=downtown%20new%20york%20condo" rel="nofollow">downtown condos in NYC</a>, and <a href="http://www.landwatch.com/default.aspx?ct=r&amp;q=oceanfront%20land%20in%20CA" rel="nofollow">ocean front land in California</a>, and I was totally underwhelmed by the selection. However, it is impressive you can search for what&#8217;s important using simple language, instead using byzantine filtering UI. However, you don&#8217;t need venture capital to develop a world class property search engine that returns 0 listings. A crappy engine can return 0 listings just as well, and much more economically I might add. <img src='http://raincityguide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Unless they are adding precognition and Jedi mind tricks (you don&#8217;t want that NYC condo, you really want this other one in Miami) to their search engine in V 2, they are going to need a much better inventory. Right now, it&#8217;s just a much better engineered <a href="http://www.luxuryrealestate.com/" rel="nofollow">Luxury Real Estate.com</a>. It is impressive, but not completely useful.</p>
<p>Part of their value proposition is the business intelligence and site analytics information, they collect for their advertisers and the area &amp; lifestyle information they offer consumers. So, it&#8217;s likely they make more money per listing than other portals do. However, at the end of the day, you need customer enthusiasm or traffic, and I&#8217;m unsure how they are going to create that with the slim selection they currently offer.</p>
<p>However, it could be argued that <a href="http://www.trendwest.com/resorts/index.html" rel="nofollow">my time share company</a> has the same inventory issue, and they are wildly successful. Maybe, you don&#8217;t need millions of listings, you just need thousands of exceptional ones? Still, I like what they are doing technically and the business plan seems promising, they just need to add enough high quality listings that give me a reason to come back and tell my friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Geordie Romer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geordie Romer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robbie- I think another problem they will run into with a vacation property or second home site is small MLS systems that aren&#039;t interested in playing.  Search Washington state listings on resortscape and you&#039;ll find Seattle condos. Not very helpful if you are looking for a vacation home in Leavenworth, Lake Chelan or the Methow Valley.  These are pretty important vacation home destinations in our state and not very well represented by the NWMLS nor likely to be represented any time soon.  75% or more of my business is selling second homes, mostly to tech folks in Seattle and the Eastside.  Unless resortscape finds a way to get listings quickly they will soon be irrelevent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robbie- I think another problem they will run into with a vacation property or second home site is small MLS systems that aren&#8217;t interested in playing.  Search Washington state listings on resortscape and you&#8217;ll find Seattle condos. Not very helpful if you are looking for a vacation home in Leavenworth, Lake Chelan or the Methow Valley.  These are pretty important vacation home destinations in our state and not very well represented by the NWMLS nor likely to be represented any time soon.  75% or more of my business is selling second homes, mostly to tech folks in Seattle and the Eastside.  Unless resortscape finds a way to get listings quickly they will soon be irrelevent.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robbie,

I&#039;ll leave the technology evaluation to you.  From a real estate perspective, most &quot;second-home&quot; properties can often be primary residences to some, and second-home for others.  It surprised me to see how many people own property in Kirkland as &quot;second homes&quot;.  It also surprised me how many CA residents own second homes in Idaho.

If I were looking for a second home, I wouldn&#039;t limit my search to a site that might be overlooked as to listing property there by people selling their primary residence.  I might go there to get ideas of where to look as to community, but then I&#039;d hightail it off to a real site with all of the listings.

It always amazes me when investors sink many millions of dollars into these ideas.  I sometimes wonder what increment of value &quot;cool&quot; adds to a product or service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robbie,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave the technology evaluation to you.  From a real estate perspective, most &#8220;second-home&#8221; properties can often be primary residences to some, and second-home for others.  It surprised me to see how many people own property in Kirkland as &#8220;second homes&#8221;.  It also surprised me how many CA residents own second homes in Idaho.</p>
<p>If I were looking for a second home, I wouldn&#8217;t limit my search to a site that might be overlooked as to listing property there by people selling their primary residence.  I might go there to get ideas of where to look as to community, but then I&#8217;d hightail it off to a real site with all of the listings.</p>
<p>It always amazes me when investors sink many millions of dollars into these ideas.  I sometimes wonder what increment of value &#8220;cool&#8221; adds to a product or service.</p>
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