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	<title>Comments on: Used Car Salesmen, Trial Lawyers and Real Estate Agents</title>
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		<title>By: And my first RCG post&#8230; &#171; A Broker&#8217;s Perspective</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/03/15/used-car-salesmen-trial-lawyers-and-real-estate-agents/#comment-297472</link>
		<dc:creator>And my first RCG post&#8230; &#171; A Broker&#8217;s Perspective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And my first RCG&#160;post&#8230; Filed under: Uncategorized &#8212; seattlebroker @ 9:17 pm   Used Car Salesmen, Trial Lawyers, and Real Estate Agents [...]</description>
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		<title>By: blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Used Car Salesmen, Trial Lawyers And Real Estate Agents</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/03/15/used-car-salesmen-trial-lawyers-and-real-estate-agents/#comment-288240</link>
		<dc:creator>blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Used Car Salesmen, Trial Lawyers And Real Estate Agents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: For Sale By Owner</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/03/15/used-car-salesmen-trial-lawyers-and-real-estate-agents/#comment-288013</link>
		<dc:creator>For Sale By Owner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really appreciate your good work. You have absoultely spend a great life with good experience of real estate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really appreciate your good work. You have absoultely spend a great life with good experience of real estate.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/03/15/used-car-salesmen-trial-lawyers-and-real-estate-agents/#comment-287726</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug referred to getting his hand slapped, and I&#039;m pretty sure that was by me in the past.  When a bunch of agents jump in and start commenting, &quot;I charge this and I charge that&quot;  or &quot;We should all stay firm at X&quot;, which has happened here in the past, it becomes a group conversation among brokers.  Group conversations among brokers regarding commissions, that could lead to everyone being influenced by one another, becomes an anti-trust issue.  That doesn&#039;t change whether it is at a NAR convention or on a blog post.

I just love it when people remember getting their hand slapped.  I love it even more when they answer one another when I&#039;m not around and say &quot;ARDELL&#039;s going to slap your hand for that when she gets back&quot; :)

I totally agree that generic discussions are permitted.  But given our policy here on RCG of not editing or deleting comments unless there is no other option, it is best to have a general understanding of what is and isn&#039;t crossing the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug referred to getting his hand slapped, and I&#8217;m pretty sure that was by me in the past.  When a bunch of agents jump in and start commenting, &#8220;I charge this and I charge that&#8221;  or &#8220;We should all stay firm at X&#8221;, which has happened here in the past, it becomes a group conversation among brokers.  Group conversations among brokers regarding commissions, that could lead to everyone being influenced by one another, becomes an anti-trust issue.  That doesn&#8217;t change whether it is at a NAR convention or on a blog post.</p>
<p>I just love it when people remember getting their hand slapped.  I love it even more when they answer one another when I&#8217;m not around and say &#8220;ARDELL&#8217;s going to slap your hand for that when she gets back&#8221; <img src='http://raincityguide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I totally agree that generic discussions are permitted.  But given our policy here on RCG of not editing or deleting comments unless there is no other option, it is best to have a general understanding of what is and isn&#8217;t crossing the line.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well you&#039;re a regular D.B. Cooper, aren&#039;t you? :-)

It&#039;s an important topic and it probably deserves its own post.  I&#039;ll look forward to reading more of what you have to say on the issue.

re/your response to Doug&#039;s comment, and for my clarification, where in the Sherman Act or license law does it say we can&#039;t even discuss commissions in a forum like this?  I know we can&#039;t collude to fix pricing (e.g. &quot;our fee is set at X&quot;), but it seems like a general or even specific dialogue on the topic doesn&#039;t create any antitrust issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you&#8217;re a regular D.B. Cooper, aren&#8217;t you? <img src='http://raincityguide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It&#8217;s an important topic and it probably deserves its own post.  I&#8217;ll look forward to reading more of what you have to say on the issue.</p>
<p>re/your response to Doug&#8217;s comment, and for my clarification, where in the Sherman Act or license law does it say we can&#8217;t even discuss commissions in a forum like this?  I know we can&#8217;t collude to fix pricing (e.g. &#8220;our fee is set at X&#8221;), but it seems like a general or even specific dialogue on the topic doesn&#8217;t create any antitrust issues.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/03/15/used-car-salesmen-trial-lawyers-and-real-estate-agents/#comment-287565</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q-Diddy,

I feel like I&#039;m hi-jacking Gordon&#039;s first ever RCG post, so if you don&#039;t mind, I&#039;ll start a new post on full transparency about real estate commissions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q-Diddy,</p>
<p>I feel like I&#8217;m hi-jacking Gordon&#8217;s first ever RCG post, so if you don&#8217;t mind, I&#8217;ll start a new post on full transparency about real estate commissions.</p>
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		<title>By: Q-Diddy</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/03/15/used-car-salesmen-trial-lawyers-and-real-estate-agents/#comment-287561</link>
		<dc:creator>Q-Diddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim &amp; Ardell-

Since I&#039;m obviously in the wrong, If I&#039;m the Seller what are the &quot;traditional&quot; percentages?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim &amp; Ardell-</p>
<p>Since I&#8217;m obviously in the wrong, If I&#8217;m the Seller what are the &#8220;traditional&#8221; percentages?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/03/15/used-car-salesmen-trial-lawyers-and-real-estate-agents/#comment-287494</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commissions are commonly all over the board.  They are mostly at the &quot;traditional&quot; percentage, but frequently are reduced via credits for one thing or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commissions are commonly all over the board.  They are mostly at the &#8220;traditional&#8221; percentage, but frequently are reduced via credits for one thing or another.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/03/15/used-car-salesmen-trial-lawyers-and-real-estate-agents/#comment-287492</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q-Diddy,

Where are you getting that percentage?  Why does everyone think everyone pays that?  Clearly, they do not.  Of course it depends on what the seller wants.  If they want to overprice the house and they want $500 a pop big color glossy ads in a fancy magazine every month for a year, that will affect what they need to pay.

Most of my clients believe in the internet and the mls as a primary source of finding a buyer.  If people would stop making agents do things that are largely ineffective to make them feel better when the house isn&#039;t selling, it would affect commissions significantly, particularly in the higher price ranges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q-Diddy,</p>
<p>Where are you getting that percentage?  Why does everyone think everyone pays that?  Clearly, they do not.  Of course it depends on what the seller wants.  If they want to overprice the house and they want $500 a pop big color glossy ads in a fancy magazine every month for a year, that will affect what they need to pay.</p>
<p>Most of my clients believe in the internet and the mls as a primary source of finding a buyer.  If people would stop making agents do things that are largely ineffective to make them feel better when the house isn&#8217;t selling, it would affect commissions significantly, particularly in the higher price ranges.</p>
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		<title>By: Q-Diddy</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/03/15/used-car-salesmen-trial-lawyers-and-real-estate-agents/#comment-287468</link>
		<dc:creator>Q-Diddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gordon &amp; Ardell-

So the seller has to pay 6% (3% to seller agent and 3% to buyer agent)?  

On a $1MM house that would be $30K each.  Or put differently &gt;60% of the median annual salary in WA for each side!?  That&#039;s a hefty fee!</description>
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<p>So the seller has to pay 6% (3% to seller agent and 3% to buyer agent)?  </p>
<p>On a $1MM house that would be $30K each.  Or put differently &gt;60% of the median annual salary in WA for each side!?  That&#8217;s a hefty fee!</p>
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