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	<title>Comments on: Deceptive Advertising Update: Linden Home Loans, Paramount Equity and Assurity Financial</title>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/08/10/deceptive-advertising-update-linden-home-loans-paramount-equity-and-assurity-financial/#comment-326491</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 01:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Carl,

The Statement of Charges is actually in the article above.  So I&#039;m not seeing where you believe I am providing inaccurate information.

Beyond whether or not DFI gave written permission to air the ads, DFI&#039;s findings were salient:

&quot;Department of Financial Institutions discovered that Linden promised consumers residential mortgage loans at “1% interest, with no points and no fees,” yet no one ever received those loan terms in 2006.  DFI reviewed 91 files that were originated during the time the ads aired.  Only 10 of these borrowers received a 1% mortgage and those who did, paid $10,000 in fees.&quot;

Intent v. effect.

Even if the intention was not to deceive, the effects of Linden&#039;s actions were found to have merit according to our state regulator.

I wish you well at your new employer, wherever that may be.  Thank you for stopping by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carl,</p>
<p>The Statement of Charges is actually in the article above.  So I&#8217;m not seeing where you believe I am providing inaccurate information.</p>
<p>Beyond whether or not DFI gave written permission to air the ads, DFI&#8217;s findings were salient:</p>
<p>&#8220;Department of Financial Institutions discovered that Linden promised consumers residential mortgage loans at “1% interest, with no points and no fees,” yet no one ever received those loan terms in 2006.  DFI reviewed 91 files that were originated during the time the ads aired.  Only 10 of these borrowers received a 1% mortgage and those who did, paid $10,000 in fees.&#8221;</p>
<p>Intent v. effect.</p>
<p>Even if the intention was not to deceive, the effects of Linden&#8217;s actions were found to have merit according to our state regulator.</p>
<p>I wish you well at your new employer, wherever that may be.  Thank you for stopping by.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Ingalls</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/08/10/deceptive-advertising-update-linden-home-loans-paramount-equity-and-assurity-financial/#comment-326485</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Ingalls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl:

First, Linden was in violation of the federal law regarding the legal way to advertise consumer credit.  Read it, and you will see.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/creditad.shtm

That they were not the only one violating the law does not absolve them of the responsibility to obey the law 

Second, if your allegation that DFI gave them written approval is true, and it is a matter of public record, then can you provide the link to that record?

The SOC mentions nothing about DFI giving them prior written approval to advertise illegally and deceptively.

To state something as fact and part of the public record would imply that you have documentable sources.

If it helps any, I agree that DFI was FAR too lax in preventing illegal advertising in the past. They seem to be much more diligent these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl:</p>
<p>First, Linden was in violation of the federal law regarding the legal way to advertise consumer credit.  Read it, and you will see.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/creditad.shtm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/creditad.shtm</a></p>
<p>That they were not the only one violating the law does not absolve them of the responsibility to obey the law </p>
<p>Second, if your allegation that DFI gave them written approval is true, and it is a matter of public record, then can you provide the link to that record?</p>
<p>The SOC mentions nothing about DFI giving them prior written approval to advertise illegally and deceptively.</p>
<p>To state something as fact and part of the public record would imply that you have documentable sources.</p>
<p>If it helps any, I agree that DFI was FAR too lax in preventing illegal advertising in the past. They seem to be much more diligent these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/08/10/deceptive-advertising-update-linden-home-loans-paramount-equity-and-assurity-financial/#comment-326471</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You folks amaze me, you speak about topics you know nothing about. I am an old employee of Linden Home Loans and they had their radio ads reviewed by DFI 5 times throughout 2006 and 2007. Each time DFI responded to them &quot;in writing&quot; that there were no apparent violations with the ad and that they can continue to run it. This was &quot;in writing&quot; and is documentable at DFI because it is a matter of public record, so DFI is as liable in all of this as anyone!! That was also DFI&#039;s achilles in their negotiations with Linden and so they let them off easy. Their fine was cut in half, they can still originate loans and they neither admitted or denied any wrong doing in their consent to the charges. Look all of this up, read the consent order. Do your research for once Jillayne, your blog would probably be alot more credible and not just a rant site for whiners!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You folks amaze me, you speak about topics you know nothing about. I am an old employee of Linden Home Loans and they had their radio ads reviewed by DFI 5 times throughout 2006 and 2007. Each time DFI responded to them &#8220;in writing&#8221; that there were no apparent violations with the ad and that they can continue to run it. This was &#8220;in writing&#8221; and is documentable at DFI because it is a matter of public record, so DFI is as liable in all of this as anyone!! That was also DFI&#8217;s achilles in their negotiations with Linden and so they let them off easy. Their fine was cut in half, they can still originate loans and they neither admitted or denied any wrong doing in their consent to the charges. Look all of this up, read the consent order. Do your research for once Jillayne, your blog would probably be alot more credible and not just a rant site for whiners!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/08/10/deceptive-advertising-update-linden-home-loans-paramount-equity-and-assurity-financial/#comment-324311</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Roger,

You are correct.  Along with that, some CLAs allow their branch offices to advertise.

The branches are suppose to run all advertising through their manager. Sometimes that happens, sometimes it doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Roger,</p>
<p>You are correct.  Along with that, some CLAs allow their branch offices to advertise.</p>
<p>The branches are suppose to run all advertising through their manager. Sometimes that happens, sometimes it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Ingalls</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/08/10/deceptive-advertising-update-linden-home-loans-paramount-equity-and-assurity-financial/#comment-324310</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Ingalls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jillayne:

Depends.

Not all CLA lenders or mortgage brokers advertise.  Many are set up as net branch models, and do not advertise to public, only to attract LO&#039;s, who may, or may not, advertise the services of the net branch.

Regardless, LO&#039;s should do their due diligence when selecting who to affiliate with!

Good luck Susan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jillayne:</p>
<p>Depends.</p>
<p>Not all CLA lenders or mortgage brokers advertise.  Many are set up as net branch models, and do not advertise to public, only to attract LO&#8217;s, who may, or may not, advertise the services of the net branch.</p>
<p>Regardless, LO&#8217;s should do their due diligence when selecting who to affiliate with!</p>
<p>Good luck Susan!</p>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/08/10/deceptive-advertising-update-linden-home-loans-paramount-equity-and-assurity-financial/#comment-324309</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Roger,

Yes. My point was that if they&#039;re using &quot;mortgage bank&quot; to recruit, chances are astronomically high that they&#039;re doing the same with consumers.

LOs would be wise to probe into this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Roger,</p>
<p>Yes. My point was that if they&#8217;re using &#8220;mortgage bank&#8221; to recruit, chances are astronomically high that they&#8217;re doing the same with consumers.</p>
<p>LOs would be wise to probe into this.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Ingalls</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/08/10/deceptive-advertising-update-linden-home-loans-paramount-equity-and-assurity-financial/#comment-324308</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Ingalls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jillayne:

Do you think DFI would make a distinction as to whom the firm advertises to?

Susan seems to indicate they are advertising to LO&#039;s that they are a mortgage bank, with it&#039;s attendant benefits, whereas Paramount&#039;s deception was to advertise to the consumer that they were a mortgage bank.

One would think the standard would be higher, advertising to the less informed public, rather than to to the supposedly better informed LO, and that the use of the term in this case was intended to be an &quot;insider&quot; term for their business model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jillayne:</p>
<p>Do you think DFI would make a distinction as to whom the firm advertises to?</p>
<p>Susan seems to indicate they are advertising to LO&#8217;s that they are a mortgage bank, with it&#8217;s attendant benefits, whereas Paramount&#8217;s deception was to advertise to the consumer that they were a mortgage bank.</p>
<p>One would think the standard would be higher, advertising to the less informed public, rather than to to the supposedly better informed LO, and that the use of the term in this case was intended to be an &#8220;insider&#8221; term for their business model.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/08/10/deceptive-advertising-update-linden-home-loans-paramount-equity-and-assurity-financial/#comment-324307</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rhonda, the P.E. ads are still running on radio stations all over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rhonda, the P.E. ads are still running on radio stations all over.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/08/10/deceptive-advertising-update-linden-home-loans-paramount-equity-and-assurity-financial/#comment-324306</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Susan,

Consumer loan companies are not banks.

Advertising themselves as &quot;mortgage bankers&quot; is extremely risky as this is one of the violations cited by DFI in their statement of charges against Paramount Equity.

If I were an LO today and was being recruited by such a company, I would ask them if they were familiar with the recent Paramount Equity DFI investigation.  

If the company is not familiar with that case, or, even worse, if the company IS familiar with the case and is still making a decision to advertise to YOU that they are a &quot;mortgage bank&quot; I would not consider that company as a potential employer.

Imagine having to explain to your clients why your company&#039;s name is in the media and on DFI&#039;s naughty list?

The CLA loophole is only around for another year.  All LOs will become licensed by July of 2009.

Realize that by going with a CLA that doesn&#039;t have to disclose YSP, that provision is only in place when the loan is funded through the consumer lender&#039;s correspondent line of credit.  

When a CLA company BROKERS a loan, YSP MUST BE DISCLOSED.

Maybe you could ask the recruiter about this and see what he/she says.

Then ask what percentage of loans are brokered v. closed on the CLA&#039;s credit line.

CLA&#039;s don&#039;t want to have to tell the world that they&#039;re consumer loan companies.

Saying &quot;mortgage bank&quot;
sounds like a bank
does not sound like a broker
does not sound like a consumer loan lender.

But it&#039;s deceptive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Susan,</p>
<p>Consumer loan companies are not banks.</p>
<p>Advertising themselves as &#8220;mortgage bankers&#8221; is extremely risky as this is one of the violations cited by DFI in their statement of charges against Paramount Equity.</p>
<p>If I were an LO today and was being recruited by such a company, I would ask them if they were familiar with the recent Paramount Equity DFI investigation.  </p>
<p>If the company is not familiar with that case, or, even worse, if the company IS familiar with the case and is still making a decision to advertise to YOU that they are a &#8220;mortgage bank&#8221; I would not consider that company as a potential employer.</p>
<p>Imagine having to explain to your clients why your company&#8217;s name is in the media and on DFI&#8217;s naughty list?</p>
<p>The CLA loophole is only around for another year.  All LOs will become licensed by July of 2009.</p>
<p>Realize that by going with a CLA that doesn&#8217;t have to disclose YSP, that provision is only in place when the loan is funded through the consumer lender&#8217;s correspondent line of credit.  </p>
<p>When a CLA company BROKERS a loan, YSP MUST BE DISCLOSED.</p>
<p>Maybe you could ask the recruiter about this and see what he/she says.</p>
<p>Then ask what percentage of loans are brokered v. closed on the CLA&#8217;s credit line.</p>
<p>CLA&#8217;s don&#8217;t want to have to tell the world that they&#8217;re consumer loan companies.</p>
<p>Saying &#8220;mortgage bank&#8221;<br />
sounds like a bank<br />
does not sound like a broker<br />
does not sound like a consumer loan lender.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s deceptive.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/08/10/deceptive-advertising-update-linden-home-loans-paramount-equity-and-assurity-financial/#comment-324305</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jillayne, I just heard a commercial on Labor Day from the velvet voice of mortgage, Hayes Barner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jillayne, I just heard a commercial on Labor Day from the velvet voice of mortgage, Hayes Barner.</p>
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