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	<title>Comments on: Seattle Real Estate Market &#8211; King County</title>
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		<title>By: Kary L. Krismer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kary L. Krismer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should mention I&#039;m speaking of emotional in the sense of a significantly large group of people acting in a manner that affects the entire market.  Not a single individual falling in love with a feature of a house and wanting to buy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should mention I&#8217;m speaking of emotional in the sense of a significantly large group of people acting in a manner that affects the entire market.  Not a single individual falling in love with a feature of a house and wanting to buy it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kary L. Krismer</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/08/12/seattle-real-estate-market-king-county/#comment-323529</link>
		<dc:creator>Kary L. Krismer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did mention, what I would usually call panic buying--where people buy unfinished condos never intending to move in because they think they&#039;ll go up more by the time they&#039;re finished.  It also happens when the average Joe gets into flipping.  Stocks have that too.

But I don&#039;t know whether you&#039;d call what happened last Fall to be a short term issue.  Obviously people panicked a bit, but was that short term or longer?  And if there was a panic, it was mainly on the buyer side.  I don&#039;t think you saw a lot of people running out to put their house on the market because of the mortgage crisis. And on the buyer side, how much of it was emotional (&quot;the sky is falling&quot;) and how much of it was just based on bad information (&quot;100% loans are no longer available)?

I think what makes it less emotional for people is most people don&#039;t own SFR houses primarily as investments, and the ones that do are (overly?) convinced that they are a good investment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did mention, what I would usually call panic buying&#8211;where people buy unfinished condos never intending to move in because they think they&#8217;ll go up more by the time they&#8217;re finished.  It also happens when the average Joe gets into flipping.  Stocks have that too.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t know whether you&#8217;d call what happened last Fall to be a short term issue.  Obviously people panicked a bit, but was that short term or longer?  And if there was a panic, it was mainly on the buyer side.  I don&#8217;t think you saw a lot of people running out to put their house on the market because of the mortgage crisis. And on the buyer side, how much of it was emotional (&#8221;the sky is falling&#8221;) and how much of it was just based on bad information (&#8221;100% loans are no longer available)?</p>
<p>I think what makes it less emotional for people is most people don&#8217;t own SFR houses primarily as investments, and the ones that do are (overly?) convinced that they are a good investment.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kary, do you think that home buying/selling may also be impacted by &quot;short term emotional issues&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kary, do you think that home buying/selling may also be impacted by &#8220;short term emotional issues&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Kary L. Krismer</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/08/12/seattle-real-estate-market-king-county/#comment-323519</link>
		<dc:creator>Kary L. Krismer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, with stocks sales (with a drop in price) can cause other sales.  With houses too many sales (with a drop in price) can cause people to not want to sell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, with stocks sales (with a drop in price) can cause other sales.  With houses too many sales (with a drop in price) can cause people to not want to sell.</p>
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		<title>By: Kary L. Krismer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kary L. Krismer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I&#039;ll have to disagree.  Stocks are affected by very short term emotional issues.  Take for example the recent &quot;news&quot; that the government actually had plans to bail out Freddie and Fannie!  What shock that the government actually plans things.  That rather obvious piece of information sent the stock market into turmoil, from which they had to be saved.  Possibly didn&#039;t affect the real estate market market at all.

But in any case, I also mentioned the time to sell.  People don&#039;t just see a piece of silly &quot;news&quot; like the one referenced above and call up their real estate agent to sell their home.  Real estate is a much more rational, less emotional market.  Although conversely, the fact that some areas were rising so fast did cause people to call up an agent and buy a condo that was yet to be built, that they had no intention of ever living in.  So real estate can get emotional too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;ll have to disagree.  Stocks are affected by very short term emotional issues.  Take for example the recent &#8220;news&#8221; that the government actually had plans to bail out Freddie and Fannie!  What shock that the government actually plans things.  That rather obvious piece of information sent the stock market into turmoil, from which they had to be saved.  Possibly didn&#8217;t affect the real estate market market at all.</p>
<p>But in any case, I also mentioned the time to sell.  People don&#8217;t just see a piece of silly &#8220;news&#8221; like the one referenced above and call up their real estate agent to sell their home.  Real estate is a much more rational, less emotional market.  Although conversely, the fact that some areas were rising so fast did cause people to call up an agent and buy a condo that was yet to be built, that they had no intention of ever living in.  So real estate can get emotional too.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael P Lindekugel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael P Lindekugel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: 145

I don&#039;t agree. The business cycles may be longer. That doesn’t change the fact that the same finance and economic concepts apply to assets of all classes. Technical analysis can be performed as real estate and Case-Shiller is no different from portfolio investment historical data. As with all historical data regardless of the asset class, it is no guarantee of future investor returns. Nothing is guaranteed. Forecasts need to be evaluated with the associated risks. The time delay between mutual acceptance and close can be accounted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: 145</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree. The business cycles may be longer. That doesn’t change the fact that the same finance and economic concepts apply to assets of all classes. Technical analysis can be performed as real estate and Case-Shiller is no different from portfolio investment historical data. As with all historical data regardless of the asset class, it is no guarantee of future investor returns. Nothing is guaranteed. Forecasts need to be evaluated with the associated risks. The time delay between mutual acceptance and close can be accounted.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Riley,

This market here in Seattle reminds me very much of the market I started in in 1990 in NJ.  This isn&#039;t the first time this Country has seen the effects of &quot;hard to finance&quot;.  Clearly double digit mortgages created a similar environment in the housing market.

It&#039;s never all about the stats alone.  It&#039;s a combination of 18 years experience in residential real estate, and the stats, and what you see and here buyers and sellers and would be buyers and sellers doing day in and day out.

I do not think volume will drop below 15,000 residential sales in King County.  Not 2008, not 2009 either.  So using 15,000 total as to volume as my prediction point is really not rocket science.  My 
April prediction was for 16,500 or so.  That gives us  range of total sales (residential only: not including raw land, condos or multifamily) if between 15,000 and 16,500 for the foreseable future.

As I said in the opening of this post, to know if the market is doing better or worse than expected...you have to expect something.  I expect volume to be in that range.

I am seeing buyers anticipating that the market will drop as to price, as a result of the huge change in volume of sales.  So fair market value is predominantly falling on the buyer&#039;s side.

Fair Market Value = The price at which neither the buyer or seller is exceedingly happy.  Right now I think buyers are just a little bit happier than sellers by and large.  Maybe not at time of offer and acceptance, but after they negotiate price and commissions and the home inspection.  The real numbers are not showing as two levels of concessions are hidden factors without anecdotal info.  That is why an agent on the inside can see what the stats don&#039;t tell. 

The hard part is not applying many years of experience...the hard part is removing self interest in the outcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Riley,</p>
<p>This market here in Seattle reminds me very much of the market I started in in 1990 in NJ.  This isn&#8217;t the first time this Country has seen the effects of &#8220;hard to finance&#8221;.  Clearly double digit mortgages created a similar environment in the housing market.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s never all about the stats alone.  It&#8217;s a combination of 18 years experience in residential real estate, and the stats, and what you see and here buyers and sellers and would be buyers and sellers doing day in and day out.</p>
<p>I do not think volume will drop below 15,000 residential sales in King County.  Not 2008, not 2009 either.  So using 15,000 total as to volume as my prediction point is really not rocket science.  My<br />
April prediction was for 16,500 or so.  That gives us  range of total sales (residential only: not including raw land, condos or multifamily) if between 15,000 and 16,500 for the foreseable future.</p>
<p>As I said in the opening of this post, to know if the market is doing better or worse than expected&#8230;you have to expect something.  I expect volume to be in that range.</p>
<p>I am seeing buyers anticipating that the market will drop as to price, as a result of the huge change in volume of sales.  So fair market value is predominantly falling on the buyer&#8217;s side.</p>
<p>Fair Market Value = The price at which neither the buyer or seller is exceedingly happy.  Right now I think buyers are just a little bit happier than sellers by and large.  Maybe not at time of offer and acceptance, but after they negotiate price and commissions and the home inspection.  The real numbers are not showing as two levels of concessions are hidden factors without anecdotal info.  That is why an agent on the inside can see what the stats don&#8217;t tell. </p>
<p>The hard part is not applying many years of experience&#8230;the hard part is removing self interest in the outcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Kary L. Krismer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kary L. Krismer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Real estate moves much slower than other financial markets.   You can typically buy a stock one minute and then sell it 15 minutes later, and know almost exactly what you&#039;ll pay for it and get for it (assuming you have real time data).  Charts arguably are of some use to determine likely trends over the very short period of time (assuming no intervening news)  

Real estate we don&#039;t typically know what happened until 30-45 days after the fact, because of the time to close (and that ignore the MLS time to publish the data--and they&#039;re typically the fastest).  If you tried to predict based off something like Case-Shiller you wouldn&#039;t even know what the present is until 2-3 months after the fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real estate moves much slower than other financial markets.   You can typically buy a stock one minute and then sell it 15 minutes later, and know almost exactly what you&#8217;ll pay for it and get for it (assuming you have real time data).  Charts arguably are of some use to determine likely trends over the very short period of time (assuming no intervening news)  </p>
<p>Real estate we don&#8217;t typically know what happened until 30-45 days after the fact, because of the time to close (and that ignore the MLS time to publish the data&#8211;and they&#8217;re typically the fastest).  If you tried to predict based off something like Case-Shiller you wouldn&#8217;t even know what the present is until 2-3 months after the fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael P Lindekugel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael P Lindekugel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree. Weather is mother nature and completely random.

Investor behavior and psychology is not completely random. Investors tend to repeat past behavior in cycles. I believe that the same economic and finance theory that applies to other assets applies to real estate. If you believe technical analysis and fundamental analysis is flawed, then how should future price movement be predicted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree. Weather is mother nature and completely random.</p>
<p>Investor behavior and psychology is not completely random. Investors tend to repeat past behavior in cycles. I believe that the same economic and finance theory that applies to other assets applies to real estate. If you believe technical analysis and fundamental analysis is flawed, then how should future price movement be predicted?</p>
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		<title>By: Kary L. Krismer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kary L. Krismer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A real estate agent predicting prices from current and  past statistics  would be like a meteorologist making their predictions based only on current and past statistics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A real estate agent predicting prices from current and  past statistics  would be like a meteorologist making their predictions based only on current and past statistics.</p>
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