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		<title>By: Kary L. Krismer</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/10/21/leave-the-gun-take-the-cannoli/#comment-327248</link>
		<dc:creator>Kary L. Krismer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this week&#039;s Q&amp;A answer, Annie Fitzsimmons is now recommending that offers on any occupied property include both forms 22 NFW and 22 FSBO, even if the property is listed.  The latter is to get warranties from the seller, and a statement to the effect that the selling agent is not providing DHC services.

Personally I think that&#039;s a good idea, but it still suffers the same defects as the other forms (assuming the distressed property law only applies to occupied property and the 4 unit thing), so I won&#039;t say it will protect someone.  I think I will, however, add modified 22 FSBO language to my 22 NFW alternative form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this week&#8217;s Q&amp;A answer, Annie Fitzsimmons is now recommending that offers on any occupied property include both forms 22 NFW and 22 FSBO, even if the property is listed.  The latter is to get warranties from the seller, and a statement to the effect that the selling agent is not providing DHC services.</p>
<p>Personally I think that&#8217;s a good idea, but it still suffers the same defects as the other forms (assuming the distressed property law only applies to occupied property and the 4 unit thing), so I won&#8217;t say it will protect someone.  I think I will, however, add modified 22 FSBO language to my 22 NFW alternative form.</p>
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		<title>By: Kary L. Krismer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kary L. Krismer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ardell, re 77, it was the distressed property law that caused me to change my recommendation to clients on short sales.  Before I would only suggest ruling them out if they needed to move quickly.  The last thing a buyer needs is some attorney suing them after they buy on some frivolous claim based on the distressed property law.  I think my variation of Form 22 NFW is strong enough to protect them if they want to proceed with making an offer on a short sale, but if they decide to proceed to closing when that was within 20 days, then I&#039;d most likely want them to get their own counsel&#039;s advice on that (which I&#039;d reimburse them for whatever their decision).

It really comes down to the distressed property law.  We still have yet to hear what is coming as a result of that, and I think part of that is that the attorneys that bring these suits are holding off because the legislature is likely to revisit the issue early next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardell, re 77, it was the distressed property law that caused me to change my recommendation to clients on short sales.  Before I would only suggest ruling them out if they needed to move quickly.  The last thing a buyer needs is some attorney suing them after they buy on some frivolous claim based on the distressed property law.  I think my variation of Form 22 NFW is strong enough to protect them if they want to proceed with making an offer on a short sale, but if they decide to proceed to closing when that was within 20 days, then I&#8217;d most likely want them to get their own counsel&#8217;s advice on that (which I&#8217;d reimburse them for whatever their decision).</p>
<p>It really comes down to the distressed property law.  We still have yet to hear what is coming as a result of that, and I think part of that is that the attorneys that bring these suits are holding off because the legislature is likely to revisit the issue early next year.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/10/21/leave-the-gun-take-the-cannoli/#comment-327159</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will be out of pocket most of the afternoon and can&#039;t continue the tit for tat discussion.  Plus the 4 hour hearings I was listening to with Greenspan are over, so I&#039;m away from the computer until early evening.  Just to let Kary know I&#039;m not ignoring him...just out of range. 

The Dow is still hanging around in the eights...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will be out of pocket most of the afternoon and can&#8217;t continue the tit for tat discussion.  Plus the 4 hour hearings I was listening to with Greenspan are over, so I&#8217;m away from the computer until early evening.  Just to let Kary know I&#8217;m not ignoring him&#8230;just out of range. </p>
<p>The Dow is still hanging around in the eights&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an mls rule here that I have not seen in other areas that touches on this same topic.  It surprised me back in 2004 as I had not seen this rule in other areas.

It said that a seller could not list a home for sale conditioned on the seller finding a suitable replacement home.  Basically it said if you list in the mls, you must be prepared to leave sooner rather than later.  People who are having homes built often request as long a close period as a short sale.  In many areas the seller does reserve the right to stay and not close until they know where they are going.

30 day escrows have been &quot;the norm&quot; for some time...but not such a long time that I do not remember days when 120 day escrows were not abnormal.  Clearly 90 day escrows were more the norm when I started in the business.  Sellers needing to be prepared to be OUT within 30 days is a relatively new criteria, and perhaps partly responsible for the financial crisis we are in.  That timeframe does not necessarily give the buyer and the seller the time needed to make informed decisions during discovery and escrow.

You compare the LONG time of a short sale with maybe an erroneous and too short one.  Maybe the answer for all transactions will lie in between in the not too distant future.

How many of these short sales had no inspection or a pre-inspection or only 2 or 3 days to do one when the current owner bought it?  When I started in the business the norm was 14 days to do discovery and inspections.  Let&#039;s not overlook the fact that possibly the entire structure of how we have been doing things in the last 4 to 5 years needs to be revamped, including the timeframe the buyer has to consider the house itself and their financing options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an mls rule here that I have not seen in other areas that touches on this same topic.  It surprised me back in 2004 as I had not seen this rule in other areas.</p>
<p>It said that a seller could not list a home for sale conditioned on the seller finding a suitable replacement home.  Basically it said if you list in the mls, you must be prepared to leave sooner rather than later.  People who are having homes built often request as long a close period as a short sale.  In many areas the seller does reserve the right to stay and not close until they know where they are going.</p>
<p>30 day escrows have been &#8220;the norm&#8221; for some time&#8230;but not such a long time that I do not remember days when 120 day escrows were not abnormal.  Clearly 90 day escrows were more the norm when I started in the business.  Sellers needing to be prepared to be OUT within 30 days is a relatively new criteria, and perhaps partly responsible for the financial crisis we are in.  That timeframe does not necessarily give the buyer and the seller the time needed to make informed decisions during discovery and escrow.</p>
<p>You compare the LONG time of a short sale with maybe an erroneous and too short one.  Maybe the answer for all transactions will lie in between in the not too distant future.</p>
<p>How many of these short sales had no inspection or a pre-inspection or only 2 or 3 days to do one when the current owner bought it?  When I started in the business the norm was 14 days to do discovery and inspections.  Let&#8217;s not overlook the fact that possibly the entire structure of how we have been doing things in the last 4 to 5 years needs to be revamped, including the timeframe the buyer has to consider the house itself and their financing options.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/10/21/leave-the-gun-take-the-cannoli/#comment-327157</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;m saying it takes 20 seconds to figure that out.  The one I went to last night had no refinances in the mix BUT the specifics of that house and the history of the house (recent history) caused it to sell for more than it was worth at the time of the previous sale.  MUCH more.  

You look at each house the same as you do any house, and decide based on the merits of the house and its value.  You do not exclude or include houses solely based on the short sale criteria.  You ignore that factor the same way that you ignore commission issues and for the same reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;m saying it takes 20 seconds to figure that out.  The one I went to last night had no refinances in the mix BUT the specifics of that house and the history of the house (recent history) caused it to sell for more than it was worth at the time of the previous sale.  MUCH more.  </p>
<p>You look at each house the same as you do any house, and decide based on the merits of the house and its value.  You do not exclude or include houses solely based on the short sale criteria.  You ignore that factor the same way that you ignore commission issues and for the same reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Kary L. Krismer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kary L. Krismer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ardell wrote:  &quot;Doesn’t it assume that the owner knows when they are within 20 days of foreclosure? Not all do. You yourself said it could take 6 months after the notice of default.&quot;

From the recorded document to sale is only 90 days, and the recorded document is what sets the sale date.  You could have either of two situations:  (1)  A sale date pending when the offer is made, that results in a sale within 20 days of that date as a result of delays in approval of the short sale; or (2) A new original sale date set, which as a result of delays in approval of the short sale puts the closing within 20 days.

22 SS is about 2 months older than 22 NFW.  IMHO they should have amended form 22 SS at the time the other distressed property law forms were created to add language to 22 SS similar to form 22 NFW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardell wrote:  &#8220;Doesn’t it assume that the owner knows when they are within 20 days of foreclosure? Not all do. You yourself said it could take 6 months after the notice of default.&#8221;</p>
<p>From the recorded document to sale is only 90 days, and the recorded document is what sets the sale date.  You could have either of two situations:  (1)  A sale date pending when the offer is made, that results in a sale within 20 days of that date as a result of delays in approval of the short sale; or (2) A new original sale date set, which as a result of delays in approval of the short sale puts the closing within 20 days.</p>
<p>22 SS is about 2 months older than 22 NFW.  IMHO they should have amended form 22 SS at the time the other distressed property law forms were created to add language to 22 SS similar to form 22 NFW.</p>
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		<title>By: Kary L. Krismer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kary L. Krismer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ardell, what I&#039;m saying is the refinance amount was probably based on an inflated appraisal.    So you&#039;re not looking to see if the list price is less than the mortgage amount--it definitely is.  What I&#039;m saying is that mortgage amount, in the case of a refinanced mortgage, is probably higher than what it should have been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardell, what I&#8217;m saying is the refinance amount was probably based on an inflated appraisal.    So you&#8217;re not looking to see if the list price is less than the mortgage amount&#8211;it definitely is.  What I&#8217;m saying is that mortgage amount, in the case of a refinanced mortgage, is probably higher than what it should have been.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t it assume that the owner knows when they are within 20 days of foreclosure?  Not all do.  You yourself said it could take 6 months after the notice of default.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t it assume that the owner knows when they are within 20 days of foreclosure?  Not all do.  You yourself said it could take 6 months after the notice of default.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I find most buyers don’t want to wait weeks if not months just to get an answer to their offer. I find most buyers don’t want to be put into a legal never-never land if there is a foreclosure scheduled within 20 days of a closing as a result of the delay...&quot;

Now ask yourself how you may be influencing that.  I&#039;ve been in the business a very long time, Kary, and we wield an enormous amount of power in that regard.  If I think a house is a wise choice for my client, often they agree.  If I think a house is a terrible choice for my client, often they agree.  That is why it is important that people choose an agent based on a common vantage point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I find most buyers don’t want to wait weeks if not months just to get an answer to their offer. I find most buyers don’t want to be put into a legal never-never land if there is a foreclosure scheduled within 20 days of a closing as a result of the delay&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Now ask yourself how you may be influencing that.  I&#8217;ve been in the business a very long time, Kary, and we wield an enormous amount of power in that regard.  If I think a house is a wise choice for my client, often they agree.  If I think a house is a terrible choice for my client, often they agree.  That is why it is important that people choose an agent based on a common vantage point.</p>
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		<title>By: Kary L. Krismer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kary L. Krismer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, Form 22-NFW (or preferably a modified version that works better) should be used on any short sale offer to help avoid the 20 day rule issue.  Annie Fitzsimmons has advised that they should be used on every offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, Form 22-NFW (or preferably a modified version that works better) should be used on any short sale offer to help avoid the 20 day rule issue.  Annie Fitzsimmons has advised that they should be used on every offer.</p>
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