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		<title>By: Friday&#8217;s Rates &#124; Rain City Guide</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/12/23/unusual-spread-in-pricing-mortgage-rates/#comment-332746</link>
		<dc:creator>Friday&#8217;s Rates &#124; Rain City Guide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] safe to assume that 1 point (1% of the loan amount) equals 0.25% to mortgage interest rate.   Lenders are pricing rates with little to no rebate which not only makes pricing a rate at zero points unattractive or a no-cost mortgage impossible; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] safe to assume that 1 point (1% of the loan amount) equals 0.25% to mortgage interest rate.   Lenders are pricing rates with little to no rebate which not only makes pricing a rate at zero points unattractive or a no-cost mortgage impossible; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/12/23/unusual-spread-in-pricing-mortgage-rates/#comment-330842</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks,  Charles.  Calculators are great (and necessary) for evaluating a clients needs...knowing their story and plans are equally so.  

I&#039;m getting ready for a short vacation (taking the rest of the week off) so that I can be ready for 2009!  I was trying to work on an example of what I provide clients to post for you which does factor in amortization, additional principal payments, etc...but I&#039;m running out of time!  

Happy New Year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks,  Charles.  Calculators are great (and necessary) for evaluating a clients needs&#8230;knowing their story and plans are equally so.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting ready for a short vacation (taking the rest of the week off) so that I can be ready for 2009!  I was trying to work on an example of what I provide clients to post for you which does factor in amortization, additional principal payments, etc&#8230;but I&#8217;m running out of time!  </p>
<p>Happy New Year.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Freedenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Freedenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are correct in recommending that they not refinance now based on all you have told me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are correct in recommending that they not refinance now based on all you have told me.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/12/23/unusual-spread-in-pricing-mortgage-rates/#comment-330838</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Charles.

I&#039;m not trying to qualify my clients for anything actually.  I&#039;m listening to what their needs or wants are and seeing if I can help them with that.  

They want lower payment--the buydown might only provide that temporarily.  
 
Even with a buydown, Freddie Mac will allow the borrowers to qualify at a lower rate with 2-1 buydown (which is expensive BTW)...I don&#039;t believe Fannie Mae will allow this at this time.  

I think they&#039;re better off retaining their existing mortgage and not refinancing at this time.  They have about 4.5 years to find another job with the fixed period remaining on their ARM that provides them a much lower payment than a 30 year fixed current offers (even if it&#039;s bought down).  

Plus, the other factor is that their mortgage is above $417k and they&#039;re willing to use a significant amount of money to put towards their equity to get the loan amount at $417k.   I&#039;d rather see folks keep their cash in this climate and not put it towards equity as it&#039;s challenging to extract to cash out of your home once you put it in (with today&#039;s guidelines)...not to mention expensive by having refinance cost (if paid out of pocket or finance by rate).

They have 2 young kids and the buydown would provide increased payments over the following 2 years with a higher payment for the remaining term (unless the refi).   The mortgage they currently have as interest only 5.5% equals a 30 year fixed rate of 3.5%.  With just under 5 years left on the fixed period term (I&#039;m not their original LO btw) and two young kids, it&#039;s also possible that they may be moving before their rate adjust...at least you can&#039;t rule it out.   But all of this type of stuff is what I (and fellow mortgage professionals) converse with our clients about to get them thinking about their mortgage as more than a monthly payment.

Believe it or not, I&#039;d rather set folks up with a mortgage where they don&#039;t have to refinance with me... unless we have an unusal low rate environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Charles.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to qualify my clients for anything actually.  I&#8217;m listening to what their needs or wants are and seeing if I can help them with that.  </p>
<p>They want lower payment&#8211;the buydown might only provide that temporarily.  </p>
<p>Even with a buydown, Freddie Mac will allow the borrowers to qualify at a lower rate with 2-1 buydown (which is expensive BTW)&#8230;I don&#8217;t believe Fannie Mae will allow this at this time.  </p>
<p>I think they&#8217;re better off retaining their existing mortgage and not refinancing at this time.  They have about 4.5 years to find another job with the fixed period remaining on their ARM that provides them a much lower payment than a 30 year fixed current offers (even if it&#8217;s bought down).  </p>
<p>Plus, the other factor is that their mortgage is above $417k and they&#8217;re willing to use a significant amount of money to put towards their equity to get the loan amount at $417k.   I&#8217;d rather see folks keep their cash in this climate and not put it towards equity as it&#8217;s challenging to extract to cash out of your home once you put it in (with today&#8217;s guidelines)&#8230;not to mention expensive by having refinance cost (if paid out of pocket or finance by rate).</p>
<p>They have 2 young kids and the buydown would provide increased payments over the following 2 years with a higher payment for the remaining term (unless the refi).   The mortgage they currently have as interest only 5.5% equals a 30 year fixed rate of 3.5%.  With just under 5 years left on the fixed period term (I&#8217;m not their original LO btw) and two young kids, it&#8217;s also possible that they may be moving before their rate adjust&#8230;at least you can&#8217;t rule it out.   But all of this type of stuff is what I (and fellow mortgage professionals) converse with our clients about to get them thinking about their mortgage as more than a monthly payment.</p>
<p>Believe it or not, I&#8217;d rather set folks up with a mortgage where they don&#8217;t have to refinance with me&#8230; unless we have an unusal low rate environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Freedenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Freedenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not a real estate agent or a lender but it seems to me you are trying to qualify your clients for a fixed rate loan in spite of their reduced income. Since only the initial payment on the loan is used for qualifying purposes you may want to look into either a 3-2-1 buydown loan or a Graduated Payment Mortgage with a fixed rate. Either type of loan would make it much easier to stay within either the &quot;front ratio&quot; or the &quot;back ratio&quot; that lenders use to determine the amount of money they will loan - all the while permitting a larger loan to be made. Hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a real estate agent or a lender but it seems to me you are trying to qualify your clients for a fixed rate loan in spite of their reduced income. Since only the initial payment on the loan is used for qualifying purposes you may want to look into either a 3-2-1 buydown loan or a Graduated Payment Mortgage with a fixed rate. Either type of loan would make it much easier to stay within either the &#8220;front ratio&#8221; or the &#8220;back ratio&#8221; that lenders use to determine the amount of money they will loan &#8211; all the while permitting a larger loan to be made. Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles, ...I don&#039;t see where it addresses the current employment situation (less one job w/a family that&#039;s typically 2-income) and wanting to use up a significant chunk of savings to have their mortgage qualify as conforming.   

This family does want to move to a fixed rate mortgage and to lower their payments.  With an interest only ARM of 5.5%, based on their current balance, they would need a fixed rate of less than 3.5% in the &quot;high balance&quot; conforming market...which is not likely to happen.   In this economy, I also feel it&#039;s wiser to be more liquid than to plunk your cash towards equity since it&#039;s more challenging (and costly) to get your cash out of your home after you put it in.

What would your calculator say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles, &#8230;I don&#8217;t see where it addresses the current employment situation (less one job w/a family that&#8217;s typically 2-income) and wanting to use up a significant chunk of savings to have their mortgage qualify as conforming.   </p>
<p>This family does want to move to a fixed rate mortgage and to lower their payments.  With an interest only ARM of 5.5%, based on their current balance, they would need a fixed rate of less than 3.5% in the &#8220;high balance&#8221; conforming market&#8230;which is not likely to happen.   In this economy, I also feel it&#8217;s wiser to be more liquid than to plunk your cash towards equity since it&#8217;s more challenging (and costly) to get your cash out of your home after you put it in.</p>
<p>What would your calculator say?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Freedenberg</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/12/23/unusual-spread-in-pricing-mortgage-rates/#comment-330763</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Freedenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rhonda,

We do have a calculator that addresses this issue. It is calculator 3e on our menu. The URL is:
http://www.decisionaide.com/MPCalculators/RefiARMToFRM/RefiARMToFRM.asp
I am assuming the people in your scenario above want to move into a fixed rate mortgage.
Not only do we have calculators that address many of the issues to which your clients may need answers, we also have links to the wonderful articles written by The Mortgage Professor. Our site attempts to be an educational resource that provides both the information and the tools you need to answer many of your mortgage questions. I have been writing financial applications for the past 34 years. In addition to the over 50 calculators running on www.decisionaide.com I created 15 of the calculators running on the MSN Money website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rhonda,</p>
<p>We do have a calculator that addresses this issue. It is calculator 3e on our menu. The URL is:<br />
<a href="http://www.decisionaide.com/MPCalculators/RefiARMToFRM/RefiARMToFRM.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.decisionaide.com/MPCalculators/RefiARMToFRM/RefiARMToFRM.asp</a><br />
I am assuming the people in your scenario above want to move into a fixed rate mortgage.<br />
Not only do we have calculators that address many of the issues to which your clients may need answers, we also have links to the wonderful articles written by The Mortgage Professor. Our site attempts to be an educational resource that provides both the information and the tools you need to answer many of your mortgage questions. I have been writing financial applications for the past 34 years. In addition to the over 50 calculators running on <a href="http://www.decisionaide.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.decisionaide.com</a> I created 15 of the calculators running on the MSN Money website.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/12/23/unusual-spread-in-pricing-mortgage-rates/#comment-330761</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Charles.  I cannot select programs/pricing for consumers--the choice is theirs and I wish everyone took the selection of their mortgage and mortgage originator more seriously.  I probably talk (or at least try to) out of refinancing than I originate because it often doesn&#039;t make financial sense.  With rates at lower levels, many homeowners think they must have &quot;x&quot; for a rate... .  

Let me ask you this, do you have a calculator/formula that can solve this scenario:

A married couple with young children who have an interest only ARM that is fixed for 4.5 more years at 5.5% and one spouse has received a lay-off notice.  The loan amount is currently $80k over conforming but they&#039;re willing to dip into their savings to obtain a conforming loan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Charles.  I cannot select programs/pricing for consumers&#8211;the choice is theirs and I wish everyone took the selection of their mortgage and mortgage originator more seriously.  I probably talk (or at least try to) out of refinancing than I originate because it often doesn&#8217;t make financial sense.  With rates at lower levels, many homeowners think they must have &#8220;x&#8221; for a rate&#8230; .  </p>
<p>Let me ask you this, do you have a calculator/formula that can solve this scenario:</p>
<p>A married couple with young children who have an interest only ARM that is fixed for 4.5 more years at 5.5% and one spouse has received a lay-off notice.  The loan amount is currently $80k over conforming but they&#8217;re willing to dip into their savings to obtain a conforming loan.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Freedenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Freedenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sympathetic to your real world concerns. I, too, wish people had the time and information to make good decisions. You may want to look at calculator 3f on our menu of calculators. With this calculator you could produce 1 - 3 pages of tables that you could give to your clients. It would allow them to come very close to being able to tell what the break-even period would be. The tables display a range of interest rate reductions and closing costs after the user inputs the points they are willing to pay. The output from this calculator might resolve the need to have access to the web or the time to do the analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sympathetic to your real world concerns. I, too, wish people had the time and information to make good decisions. You may want to look at calculator 3f on our menu of calculators. With this calculator you could produce 1 &#8211; 3 pages of tables that you could give to your clients. It would allow them to come very close to being able to tell what the break-even period would be. The tables display a range of interest rate reductions and closing costs after the user inputs the points they are willing to pay. The output from this calculator might resolve the need to have access to the web or the time to do the analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Freedenberg</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2008/12/23/unusual-spread-in-pricing-mortgage-rates/#comment-330759</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Freedenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the interest in making this kind of information available to real estate professionals and their clients, we now encourage anyone who wishes to do so to link to the calculators on our site. Instructions on how to do so are available to your webmasters on the home page of our site. There is no charge and no downside to doing so.
www.decisionaide.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the interest in making this kind of information available to real estate professionals and their clients, we now encourage anyone who wishes to do so to link to the calculators on our site. Instructions on how to do so are available to your webmasters on the home page of our site. There is no charge and no downside to doing so.<br />
<a href="http://www.decisionaide.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.decisionaide.com</a></p>
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