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		<title>By: Property Speak</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2009/01/06/start-2009-by-recognizing-the-unrecognized/#comment-331509</link>
		<dc:creator>Property Speak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 06:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we should start 2009 with the word caution, we should be cautious while spending, investing and buying all things. Credit is something we should avoid as much as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we should start 2009 with the word caution, we should be cautious while spending, investing and buying all things. Credit is something we should avoid as much as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2009/01/06/start-2009-by-recognizing-the-unrecognized/#comment-331502</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jillayen, I started with earning my CFP... but just ran out of time between work and being a Mom.  That&#039;s why when CMPS first came around, I was all ears.  I&#039;m not so big on CMPS now except for that it does show that one has done something more than &quot;an average random LO&quot;.   

I do think that the licensing issues will continue to weed out shady and weak LO&#039;s... the economy will shake away the fray...including some good LO&#039;s who just couldn&#039;t make it.

I would think that 2009, in Washington State, we&#039;ll have much more professional LO&#039;s (at least those of us who are required to be licensed).

I may have to start posting my GFE&#039;s w/HUDs and black out the names/address of my clients.... that was a good idea you had...but you&#039;re right, most consumers would not want to do all of that legwork.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jillayen, I started with earning my CFP&#8230; but just ran out of time between work and being a Mom.  That&#8217;s why when CMPS first came around, I was all ears.  I&#8217;m not so big on CMPS now except for that it does show that one has done something more than &#8220;an average random LO&#8221;.   </p>
<p>I do think that the licensing issues will continue to weed out shady and weak LO&#8217;s&#8230; the economy will shake away the fray&#8230;including some good LO&#8217;s who just couldn&#8217;t make it.</p>
<p>I would think that 2009, in Washington State, we&#8217;ll have much more professional LO&#8217;s (at least those of us who are required to be licensed).</p>
<p>I may have to start posting my GFE&#8217;s w/HUDs and black out the names/address of my clients&#8230;. that was a good idea you had&#8230;but you&#8217;re right, most consumers would not want to do all of that legwork.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2009/01/06/start-2009-by-recognizing-the-unrecognized/#comment-331501</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rhonda,

I thought of something else.  If a loan originator also held a certified financial planner designation/degree/certificate, that would also be a good indicator that this person owed me way higher duties than an average random LO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rhonda,</p>
<p>I thought of something else.  If a loan originator also held a certified financial planner designation/degree/certificate, that would also be a good indicator that this person owed me way higher duties than an average random LO.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2009/01/06/start-2009-by-recognizing-the-unrecognized/#comment-331479</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jillayne, I think this is a terrific idea:

&quot;Maybe there should be a public record somewhere of that LO’s loans showing how many went into default, how many were subprime, FHA, etc.&quot;

They can add how many clients returned to the LO too...I think that&#039;s a positive sign when the consumer returns to the original LO.   The record could also indicate what the LO specializes in--how many loans are investment, reverse mortgages, gov., etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jillayne, I think this is a terrific idea:</p>
<p>&#8220;Maybe there should be a public record somewhere of that LO’s loans showing how many went into default, how many were subprime, FHA, etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>They can add how many clients returned to the LO too&#8230;I think that&#8217;s a positive sign when the consumer returns to the original LO.   The record could also indicate what the LO specializes in&#8211;how many loans are investment, reverse mortgages, gov., etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2009/01/06/start-2009-by-recognizing-the-unrecognized/#comment-331449</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>by doing lots of research on the L.O. before selecting them.  Just a simple friends/family blind referral isn&#039;t good enough because the consumer is then relying on a family member or friend&#039;s opinion and isn&#039;t thinking for himself/herself.

by selecting an LO who owes fiduciary duties to their clients.  

by education level, knowledge, experience.

Maybe there should be a public record somewhere of that LO&#039;s loans showing how many went into default, how many were subprime, FHA, etc. 

I&#039;d want samples of the last 10 GFEs and HUD I&#039;s so I could compare. but I&#039;m anal retentive that way. consumers aren&#039;t educated enough to know what to look for.  

If an LO doesn&#039;t even have 10 GFEs for me to look at, then the LO isn&#039;t very experienced and that would warrant me negotiating a much lower fee.  

I would pay a higher fee to an LO who owed me higher duties from the start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>by doing lots of research on the L.O. before selecting them.  Just a simple friends/family blind referral isn&#8217;t good enough because the consumer is then relying on a family member or friend&#8217;s opinion and isn&#8217;t thinking for himself/herself.</p>
<p>by selecting an LO who owes fiduciary duties to their clients.  </p>
<p>by education level, knowledge, experience.</p>
<p>Maybe there should be a public record somewhere of that LO&#8217;s loans showing how many went into default, how many were subprime, FHA, etc. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d want samples of the last 10 GFEs and HUD I&#8217;s so I could compare. but I&#8217;m anal retentive that way. consumers aren&#8217;t educated enough to know what to look for.  </p>
<p>If an LO doesn&#8217;t even have 10 GFEs for me to look at, then the LO isn&#8217;t very experienced and that would warrant me negotiating a much lower fee.  </p>
<p>I would pay a higher fee to an LO who owed me higher duties from the start.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2009/01/06/start-2009-by-recognizing-the-unrecognized/#comment-331438</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jillayne, I would say it&#039;s not so much the industry that has promoted rates... perhaps its more an internet revolution.  Whenever I&#039;m looking at buying something or even learning about a Doctor or other professional, I go to the internet.   LieTech and others have reached to the consumers through the boob-tube... add to that LO&#039;s who will gamble the market (this market is ripe for it) by quoting an &quot;amazing&quot; rate in order to &quot;win&quot; the borrower...hoping the market improves so they can cover it.   What&#039;s a consumer to believe?  I also think there is very little loyality (not sure if that&#039;s the right word) in this world.   One of my favorite clients asked me &quot;when am I committed to you&quot; and I answered &quot;when do you want me to be committed to you&quot;.   We both laughed...it is a two way street.

How do you recommend a borrower select their mortgage/loan originator?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jillayne, I would say it&#8217;s not so much the industry that has promoted rates&#8230; perhaps its more an internet revolution.  Whenever I&#8217;m looking at buying something or even learning about a Doctor or other professional, I go to the internet.   LieTech and others have reached to the consumers through the boob-tube&#8230; add to that LO&#8217;s who will gamble the market (this market is ripe for it) by quoting an &#8220;amazing&#8221; rate in order to &#8220;win&#8221; the borrower&#8230;hoping the market improves so they can cover it.   What&#8217;s a consumer to believe?  I also think there is very little loyality (not sure if that&#8217;s the right word) in this world.   One of my favorite clients asked me &#8220;when am I committed to you&#8221; and I answered &#8220;when do you want me to be committed to you&#8221;.   We both laughed&#8230;it is a two way street.</p>
<p>How do you recommend a borrower select their mortgage/loan originator?</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2009/01/06/start-2009-by-recognizing-the-unrecognized/#comment-331434</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, here&#039;s an example... I had an agent contact me last week wanting to know if we could close a purchase in 3 weeks--not a problem.  The borrower was happy with my rate quote and then decided to go online to see what else he could find.  He did find a rate 0.125% better than what I was quoting at that time paying 0.125% higher in discount fee.  (About $20 a month difference for $350 in more cost).

I doubt the other lender (a big on-line lender) will be able to his purchase in 3 weeks.  But the rate is what he opted for.  

I try to educate consumers as much as possible via blogging, but I&#039;m sure sometimes I sound like an old broken record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, here&#8217;s an example&#8230; I had an agent contact me last week wanting to know if we could close a purchase in 3 weeks&#8211;not a problem.  The borrower was happy with my rate quote and then decided to go online to see what else he could find.  He did find a rate 0.125% better than what I was quoting at that time paying 0.125% higher in discount fee.  (About $20 a month difference for $350 in more cost).</p>
<p>I doubt the other lender (a big on-line lender) will be able to his purchase in 3 weeks.  But the rate is what he opted for.  </p>
<p>I try to educate consumers as much as possible via blogging, but I&#8217;m sure sometimes I sound like an old broken record.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2009/01/06/start-2009-by-recognizing-the-unrecognized/#comment-331432</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tim,

Glad to hear that you&#039;re okay. I was getting worried...

Tim we&#039;re in a transition period where loan originators have two feet on different tracks.  On the one hand, many still behave as if they are retail salepeople and the industry itself really has done a beautiful job of training consumers to shop for a mortgage based on rates and fees.

On the other hand, LOs are beginning to emerge as a profession. When I hire an attorney, I could care less about his/her hourly fee. Instead, when something&#039;s going on in my life that&#039;s important enough to need legal help, I select the attorney based on experience and reputation and the hourly fee is further down on the list.  

We&#039;ve trained consumers to leave us at the last minute for Die Tech/Lending Tree.  Why wouldn&#039;t they leave for a better rate when we (the industry) continues to sell rates?

Across the marketplace, the shift from salesperson to professional will take years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim,</p>
<p>Glad to hear that you&#8217;re okay. I was getting worried&#8230;</p>
<p>Tim we&#8217;re in a transition period where loan originators have two feet on different tracks.  On the one hand, many still behave as if they are retail salepeople and the industry itself really has done a beautiful job of training consumers to shop for a mortgage based on rates and fees.</p>
<p>On the other hand, LOs are beginning to emerge as a profession. When I hire an attorney, I could care less about his/her hourly fee. Instead, when something&#8217;s going on in my life that&#8217;s important enough to need legal help, I select the attorney based on experience and reputation and the hourly fee is further down on the list.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve trained consumers to leave us at the last minute for Die Tech/Lending Tree.  Why wouldn&#8217;t they leave for a better rate when we (the industry) continues to sell rates?</p>
<p>Across the marketplace, the shift from salesperson to professional will take years.</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2009/01/06/start-2009-by-recognizing-the-unrecognized/#comment-331404</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great thoughts everybody.  

Jillayne, not much flooding yet.  We&#039;ll see.

Rhonda,  I really dont&#039; understand why there is resistance (could be I&#039;m reading it wrong) to consumers doing shopping for rates and fees.   The problem as I see it is that &quot;service&quot; is not tangible to people whom they have not known (referrals always break the ice, true).  But, money out of their pocket is tangible immediately.  You, me and everyone else can talk service till were blue in the face, but money talks (fees, commissions and rates).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thoughts everybody.  </p>
<p>Jillayne, not much flooding yet.  We&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>Rhonda,  I really dont&#8217; understand why there is resistance (could be I&#8217;m reading it wrong) to consumers doing shopping for rates and fees.   The problem as I see it is that &#8220;service&#8221; is not tangible to people whom they have not known (referrals always break the ice, true).  But, money out of their pocket is tangible immediately.  You, me and everyone else can talk service till were blue in the face, but money talks (fees, commissions and rates).</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2009/01/06/start-2009-by-recognizing-the-unrecognized/#comment-331398</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comment was more out of frustration given that I and my staff experienced much of what you described in Dec... fighting snow storms, working till midnight, foregoing our holiday vacation time, fighting with underwriters, dealing with all the obscene and illogical guidelines that we have these days and basically ensuring that our clients get great deals and the loans actually make it to the closing table... all the hard work that goes on behind the scenes consumers rarely see.  

However, after going through all that... you get the call I described in my first comment because despite all your hard work, at the end of the day it still boils down to what&#039;s my rate for most folks regardless if you deserve a purple heart.

This job makes more and more cynical every day, but I do love it....  lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment was more out of frustration given that I and my staff experienced much of what you described in Dec&#8230; fighting snow storms, working till midnight, foregoing our holiday vacation time, fighting with underwriters, dealing with all the obscene and illogical guidelines that we have these days and basically ensuring that our clients get great deals and the loans actually make it to the closing table&#8230; all the hard work that goes on behind the scenes consumers rarely see.  </p>
<p>However, after going through all that&#8230; you get the call I described in my first comment because despite all your hard work, at the end of the day it still boils down to what&#8217;s my rate for most folks regardless if you deserve a purple heart.</p>
<p>This job makes more and more cynical every day, but I do love it&#8230;.  lol</p>
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