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	<title>Comments on: Layoffs at Microsoft</title>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2009/01/14/layoffs-at-microsoft/#comment-334499</link>
		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i just wanted a chart and i see this, i dont get any of it, and im very frustrated and i just want to know the layoffs or hiring freezes in the last 5 years for microsoft are for a school project, and im very emotional right now, my dog died and my boyfriend left me and its valentines day on saturday and im just so tireeeeeedddddddd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just wanted a chart and i see this, i dont get any of it, and im very frustrated and i just want to know the layoffs or hiring freezes in the last 5 years for microsoft are for a school project, and im very emotional right now, my dog died and my boyfriend left me and its valentines day on saturday and im just so tireeeeeedddddddd.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillayne Schlicke</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2009/01/14/layoffs-at-microsoft/#comment-332996</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillayne Schlicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jack,

I believe computers help us to connect with our fellow humans in ways that otherwise would not be possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jack,</p>
<p>I believe computers help us to connect with our fellow humans in ways that otherwise would not be possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2009/01/14/layoffs-at-microsoft/#comment-332965</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A company that makes 4 billion in profit for a quarter and then lays off 5,000 people has some serious issues. Bring in the union. It&#039;s just more greed and justified by a lagging economy making it more dispicable. Computers are making us all less human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A company that makes 4 billion in profit for a quarter and then lays off 5,000 people has some serious issues. Bring in the union. It&#8217;s just more greed and justified by a lagging economy making it more dispicable. Computers are making us all less human.</p>
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		<title>By: Kary L. Krismer</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2009/01/14/layoffs-at-microsoft/#comment-332891</link>
		<dc:creator>Kary L. Krismer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Boeing has something like 10 time the MS’s gross revenue on a per stock share basis.&quot;

Apples and oranges.  Both companies have high development costs for their products, but once developed MSFT&#039;s product costs next to nothing to produce.   Remember years ago when AOL would send you 2-3 CDs a week hoping you&#039;d sign up?  MSFT&#039;s products don&#039;t cost much more than each one of those mailings (actually some are entirely electronic and cost less than one penny).

Oh, and MSFT&#039;s stock price doesn&#039;t plummet every time one of its products crashes.  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Boeing has something like 10 time the MS’s gross revenue on a per stock share basis.&#8221;</p>
<p>Apples and oranges.  Both companies have high development costs for their products, but once developed MSFT&#8217;s product costs next to nothing to produce.   Remember years ago when AOL would send you 2-3 CDs a week hoping you&#8217;d sign up?  MSFT&#8217;s products don&#8217;t cost much more than each one of those mailings (actually some are entirely electronic and cost less than one penny).</p>
<p>Oh, and MSFT&#8217;s stock price doesn&#8217;t plummet every time one of its products crashes.  <img src='http://raincityguide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Redmond WA Resident</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2009/01/14/layoffs-at-microsoft/#comment-332889</link>
		<dc:creator>Redmond WA Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MS stock is tanking.  My house is next door to MS, and I take no pleasure seening MS tank.  However, we of any common sense have know this has been coming for years.  MS stock value is &quot;in the mind of the beholder&quot; sort of the like the USA paper money.   I cant say much for my opinion of MS managment.  Only by dumb luck did the nut job that ran Yahoo refuse the $45 Billion for his firm, that has an underlying value of perhaps $1B.  Thus Ballmer has the $45 B of cash still.  

But Ballmer plans to spen half of it buying MS stock.  Big mistake.  $22.5B simply can have little to zero mathematical effect on a company values at over 1 Trillion.   MS was way overvalued.  

Boeing has something like 10 time the MS&#039;s gross revenue on a per stock share basis.   MS simply does not have a managment that has the brains to grow beyond the monopoly of the OS business.  They make all new ventures have this requirement &quot;It backs up the MS OS Monopoly&quot;  and make all new venture lack this requirment &quot;profit&quot;.

What I mean is this, MS would have been better off starting farms grwoing oranges in Florida, ratehr than so much investment in the marginal returns of propping up the monopoly with game machine (now a loss venture) and Embedded Windows (makes close to zero profit).  The emotional attachment to the OS monopoly wont let their management think clearly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MS stock is tanking.  My house is next door to MS, and I take no pleasure seening MS tank.  However, we of any common sense have know this has been coming for years.  MS stock value is &#8220;in the mind of the beholder&#8221; sort of the like the USA paper money.   I cant say much for my opinion of MS managment.  Only by dumb luck did the nut job that ran Yahoo refuse the $45 Billion for his firm, that has an underlying value of perhaps $1B.  Thus Ballmer has the $45 B of cash still.  </p>
<p>But Ballmer plans to spen half of it buying MS stock.  Big mistake.  $22.5B simply can have little to zero mathematical effect on a company values at over 1 Trillion.   MS was way overvalued.  </p>
<p>Boeing has something like 10 time the MS&#8217;s gross revenue on a per stock share basis.   MS simply does not have a managment that has the brains to grow beyond the monopoly of the OS business.  They make all new ventures have this requirement &#8220;It backs up the MS OS Monopoly&#8221;  and make all new venture lack this requirment &#8220;profit&#8221;.</p>
<p>What I mean is this, MS would have been better off starting farms grwoing oranges in Florida, ratehr than so much investment in the marginal returns of propping up the monopoly with game machine (now a loss venture) and Embedded Windows (makes close to zero profit).  The emotional attachment to the OS monopoly wont let their management think clearly.</p>
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		<title>By: Kary L. Krismer</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2009/01/14/layoffs-at-microsoft/#comment-332796</link>
		<dc:creator>Kary L. Krismer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back on the MSFT layoffs, on TV I heard them also say that they might hire 2,000 people for new projects.  I haven&#039;t looked for a print source for that, but it sort of makes me wonder how serious they are about having net layoffs, as opposed to merely jettisoning some loser projects of the type I think Sniglet was mentioning.  Couple that with only I think 1400 of the layoffs being current and the rest being far out, and I sort of wonder what will happen down the road with their employment levels.  To reduce their employment levels they might need to start going to Employees Anonymous meetings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back on the MSFT layoffs, on TV I heard them also say that they might hire 2,000 people for new projects.  I haven&#8217;t looked for a print source for that, but it sort of makes me wonder how serious they are about having net layoffs, as opposed to merely jettisoning some loser projects of the type I think Sniglet was mentioning.  Couple that with only I think 1400 of the layoffs being current and the rest being far out, and I sort of wonder what will happen down the road with their employment levels.  To reduce their employment levels they might need to start going to Employees Anonymous meetings.</p>
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		<title>By: Kary L. Krismer</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2009/01/14/layoffs-at-microsoft/#comment-332790</link>
		<dc:creator>Kary L. Krismer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel wrote:  &quot;Just because prices didn’t fall in a given time period doesn’t mean a bubble wasn’t forming. Apparently you define a bubble as a time when prices fall. Most people would call the the bursting of the bubbble. I don’t know of anyone that called the top in 2001, but if it makes you feel smarter to pretend that there were people calling the top, then good for you.&quot;

I can&#039;t get a source all the way back to 2001, but October 2002 Money Magazine had a bubble article, and picked Seattle as one of three cities most likely to pop, citing Economy.com as their source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel wrote:  &#8220;Just because prices didn’t fall in a given time period doesn’t mean a bubble wasn’t forming. Apparently you define a bubble as a time when prices fall. Most people would call the the bursting of the bubbble. I don’t know of anyone that called the top in 2001, but if it makes you feel smarter to pretend that there were people calling the top, then good for you.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t get a source all the way back to 2001, but October 2002 Money Magazine had a bubble article, and picked Seattle as one of three cities most likely to pop, citing Economy.com as their source.</p>
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		<title>By: Cautious Buyer</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2009/01/14/layoffs-at-microsoft/#comment-332788</link>
		<dc:creator>Cautious Buyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;some people from CA bought in WA, starting the bubble here&quot;

Some people like, um, Ardell?  

Just kidding, but that is the perception from some native Seattelites who think those dang Californians migrated in and &quot;ruined our town&quot;.  There is probably a lot of truth to the idea that the Seattle bubble was fed by the bigger California bubble nearby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;some people from CA bought in WA, starting the bubble here&#8221;</p>
<p>Some people like, um, Ardell?  </p>
<p>Just kidding, but that is the perception from some native Seattelites who think those dang Californians migrated in and &#8220;ruined our town&#8221;.  There is probably a lot of truth to the idea that the Seattle bubble was fed by the bigger California bubble nearby.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2009/01/14/layoffs-at-microsoft/#comment-332776</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel,

I was in CA in 2001 and the bubble started there in 1998.  Seems to me that some people from CA bought in WA, starting the bubble here, because prices were getting out of whack there first.  Does that sound right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel,</p>
<p>I was in CA in 2001 and the bubble started there in 1998.  Seems to me that some people from CA bought in WA, starting the bubble here, because prices were getting out of whack there first.  Does that sound right?</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So you’re putting the bubble back to 2000-2001?&quot;

That&#039;s when it started.  Prices weren&#039;t too out of whack because it was just the beginning.  But it&#039;s pretty clear that prices were off.  You even said it yourself: &quot;When the dot-com bust occurred, the loss of all the option money didn’t seem to have a great effect on prices.&quot;

&quot;The people making the predictions back then missed predicting the top by almost 100%.&quot;

Just because prices didn&#039;t fall in a given time period doesn&#039;t mean a bubble wasn&#039;t forming.  Apparently you define a bubble as a time when prices fall.  Most people would call the the bursting of the bubbble.  I don&#039;t know of anyone that called the top in 2001, but if it makes you feel smarter to pretend that there were people calling the top, then good for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So you’re putting the bubble back to 2000-2001?&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s when it started.  Prices weren&#8217;t too out of whack because it was just the beginning.  But it&#8217;s pretty clear that prices were off.  You even said it yourself: &#8220;When the dot-com bust occurred, the loss of all the option money didn’t seem to have a great effect on prices.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The people making the predictions back then missed predicting the top by almost 100%.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just because prices didn&#8217;t fall in a given time period doesn&#8217;t mean a bubble wasn&#8217;t forming.  Apparently you define a bubble as a time when prices fall.  Most people would call the the bursting of the bubbble.  I don&#8217;t know of anyone that called the top in 2001, but if it makes you feel smarter to pretend that there were people calling the top, then good for you.</p>
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