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	<title>Comments on: Don&#8217;t spend your house money on coffee</title>
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		<title>By: Courtney Cooper</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2009/04/27/dont-spend-your-house-money-on-coffee/#comment-339425</link>
		<dc:creator>Courtney Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 22:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ARDELL - this is brilliant:)  I woudl just love it.  When I was a kid it was a shoebox budgeting system - so much for each of what I wantes from my various allowances and babysitting jobs - so nice to be electronic of course.  I mainly rely on Microsoft Excel for just about everything, but I would love some guidance form my bank statement!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ARDELL &#8211; this is brilliant:)  I woudl just love it.  When I was a kid it was a shoebox budgeting system &#8211; so much for each of what I wantes from my various allowances and babysitting jobs &#8211; so nice to be electronic of course.  I mainly rely on Microsoft Excel for just about everything, but I would love some guidance form my bank statement!</p>
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		<title>By: JanB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JanB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 18:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quicken Online has exactly what you are asking for. It has all the data from all your banks, it sorts everything by category, it has a budget, AND it will tell you whether you can buy a cup of coffee right now.

It&#039;s available for iphone too.
http://quicken.intuit.com/online-banking-finances.jsp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quicken Online has exactly what you are asking for. It has all the data from all your banks, it sorts everything by category, it has a budget, AND it will tell you whether you can buy a cup of coffee right now.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s available for iphone too.<br />
<a href="http://quicken.intuit.com/online-banking-finances.jsp" rel="nofollow">http://quicken.intuit.com/online-banking-finances.jsp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sandy Kaduce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy Kaduce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also balk a bit at comparisons to other countries or history going back more than 30 or 50 years.  I think most Americans would be unwilling to accept either the standard of living that is &quot;enjoyed&quot; in many &quot;other countries&quot; nor would most Americans be willing to accept the standard of living that was enjoyed in our own country prior to the middle of the 20th century.  What standard of living was enjoyed, was mostly enjoyed by men, as in the days before &quot;modern conveniences&quot; it was us women who did most of the drudge work that made life tolerable.

We have a lot of bells and whistles that cause us to have a much more comfortable life than our predecessors or those living in most of the rest of the world.  We have more time now for such enjoyable pursuits as updating our Facebook, or responding to comments on blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also balk a bit at comparisons to other countries or history going back more than 30 or 50 years.  I think most Americans would be unwilling to accept either the standard of living that is &#8220;enjoyed&#8221; in many &#8220;other countries&#8221; nor would most Americans be willing to accept the standard of living that was enjoyed in our own country prior to the middle of the 20th century.  What standard of living was enjoyed, was mostly enjoyed by men, as in the days before &#8220;modern conveniences&#8221; it was us women who did most of the drudge work that made life tolerable.</p>
<p>We have a lot of bells and whistles that cause us to have a much more comfortable life than our predecessors or those living in most of the rest of the world.  We have more time now for such enjoyable pursuits as updating our Facebook, or responding to comments on blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy Kaduce</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2009/04/27/dont-spend-your-house-money-on-coffee/#comment-339275</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy Kaduce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I meant comment #23 not the &quot;post.&quot;  I would not be surprised to find that WAMU charged someone $2000 in fees to move money between accounts because I&#039;ve heard of it happening to other people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I meant comment #23 not the &#8220;post.&#8221;  I would not be surprised to find that WAMU charged someone $2000 in fees to move money between accounts because I&#8217;ve heard of it happening to other people.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>b,

I&#039;m with you on the student loan debt. Still, the people in this country discount one&#039;s abilities if they don&#039;t have that piece of paper. Why is that? Who is perpetuating that myth? One would think the Bill Gates story would have had some impact...but no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>b,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you on the student loan debt. Still, the people in this country discount one&#8217;s abilities if they don&#8217;t have that piece of paper. Why is that? Who is perpetuating that myth? One would think the Bill Gates story would have had some impact&#8230;but no.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://raincityguide.com/2009/04/27/dont-spend-your-house-money-on-coffee/#comment-339262</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>b,

You (and others) lose me when you point to other countries vs. our own historical data. Right or wrong, we don&#039;t want to be like other countries.

What other country are we supposed to be emulating in your example?

I don&#039;t recall any U.S. data showing 15% of income being relevant...unless it is 10 years later or more, and they are still living in the same house.

When people who comment pull too far outside of any known historical reality...frankly, it causes me to &quot;tune out&quot;.  If the discussion has no basis in reality, it ceases to be a discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>b,</p>
<p>You (and others) lose me when you point to other countries vs. our own historical data. Right or wrong, we don&#8217;t want to be like other countries.</p>
<p>What other country are we supposed to be emulating in your example?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall any U.S. data showing 15% of income being relevant&#8230;unless it is 10 years later or more, and they are still living in the same house.</p>
<p>When people who comment pull too far outside of any known historical reality&#8230;frankly, it causes me to &#8220;tune out&#8221;.  If the discussion has no basis in reality, it ceases to be a discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#10 I went to Mint.com, but who are they?  Are people really comfortable with giving that site access to their bank accounts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#10 I went to Mint.com, but who are they?  Are people really comfortable with giving that site access to their bank accounts?</p>
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		<title>By: b</title>
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		<dc:creator>b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are missing the point Ardell. We are collectively spending too much of our incomes on non-productive uses, the biggest being housing. That amount is increasing steadily each year. I am not saying people should be forced to live in squalor to only spend 15% of their income, I am saying that due to various market distortions people must spend 30% of their income on something that should not cost 30% of their income. If they had that extra money, it would go into better and more diverse uses. What is the replacement cost of that $700k Kirkland rambler? It sure isn&#039;t $700k. We have created far too many incentives to overspend on housing, and that money is not being as productive in the economy as it could be.

Please do not think about this as &quot;people should be forced to put their family of five in a shitty apartment&quot;. Its, &quot;people should be able to put their family of five in a normal house for only 15% of their income&quot;. This is very similar to both healthcare and student loans. The US far overspends other countries on healthcare and it comes out of your pocket. Where does it go? Into insurance companies and other middlemen, who in my opinion use it less wisely and productively than it could be if freed up for the consumer. Or student loan debt, young people are now basically forced into a $300-1000/month obligation for 10 years in order to get a decent job. The country would be much better off if that money was going broadly out into the economy, rather than funneled into a select few megabanks who use it build stupid islands in Dubai or to leverage short the stocks in your 401k.

Basically we are funneling an ever increasing amount of our income into the financial sector, the largest method being mortgage payments for both owners of homes and owners of rentals. Our economy would be better served if that same money was instead being spread around to many other sectors. Of course some of it would still end up in finance, via you sticking it in a savings account, etc, but much more of it would go around the rest of the economy. The financial sector as a percentage of GDP has blown up since the 1980&#039;s to something like 30% now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are missing the point Ardell. We are collectively spending too much of our incomes on non-productive uses, the biggest being housing. That amount is increasing steadily each year. I am not saying people should be forced to live in squalor to only spend 15% of their income, I am saying that due to various market distortions people must spend 30% of their income on something that should not cost 30% of their income. If they had that extra money, it would go into better and more diverse uses. What is the replacement cost of that $700k Kirkland rambler? It sure isn&#8217;t $700k. We have created far too many incentives to overspend on housing, and that money is not being as productive in the economy as it could be.</p>
<p>Please do not think about this as &#8220;people should be forced to put their family of five in a shitty apartment&#8221;. Its, &#8220;people should be able to put their family of five in a normal house for only 15% of their income&#8221;. This is very similar to both healthcare and student loans. The US far overspends other countries on healthcare and it comes out of your pocket. Where does it go? Into insurance companies and other middlemen, who in my opinion use it less wisely and productively than it could be if freed up for the consumer. Or student loan debt, young people are now basically forced into a $300-1000/month obligation for 10 years in order to get a decent job. The country would be much better off if that money was going broadly out into the economy, rather than funneled into a select few megabanks who use it build stupid islands in Dubai or to leverage short the stocks in your 401k.</p>
<p>Basically we are funneling an ever increasing amount of our income into the financial sector, the largest method being mortgage payments for both owners of homes and owners of rentals. Our economy would be better served if that same money was instead being spread around to many other sectors. Of course some of it would still end up in finance, via you sticking it in a savings account, etc, but much more of it would go around the rest of the economy. The financial sector as a percentage of GDP has blown up since the 1980&#8217;s to something like 30% now.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ardell - If I could venture to guess, I’d guess that the person you are speaking of in the post above had her accounts at WAMU? I would not be surprised in the slightest.&quot;

The person in my &quot;post&quot; is my daughter.

The first person in comment #23 is yes...about WAMU.

The second person in my comment #23 is about B of A.

Used to be smarmy finance companies charged exhorbitant rates...now it&#039;s your friendly neighborhood, heretofore highly respected, bank.

When I was in banking there were usury laws that capped the rate a bank could charge.  I believe they differ state to state as I remember card processing moving from PA do DE so they could charge higher rates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ardell &#8211; If I could venture to guess, I’d guess that the person you are speaking of in the post above had her accounts at WAMU? I would not be surprised in the slightest.&#8221;</p>
<p>The person in my &#8220;post&#8221; is my daughter.</p>
<p>The first person in comment #23 is yes&#8230;about WAMU.</p>
<p>The second person in my comment #23 is about B of A.</p>
<p>Used to be smarmy finance companies charged exhorbitant rates&#8230;now it&#8217;s your friendly neighborhood, heretofore highly respected, bank.</p>
<p>When I was in banking there were usury laws that capped the rate a bank could charge.  I believe they differ state to state as I remember card processing moving from PA do DE so they could charge higher rates.</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>b,

Seems to me moving too much (and borrowing against your equity) is the culprit. Anyone I know who has no or a very comfortable mortgage payment, has owned their current home for a very long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>b,</p>
<p>Seems to me moving too much (and borrowing against your equity) is the culprit. Anyone I know who has no or a very comfortable mortgage payment, has owned their current home for a very long time.</p>
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