Where do you find inspiration?
Out of all the places to find inspiration for a blog post, my current favorite is deep within the RCG stats where I can find the search terms that people use to reach this site. Today, someone came to RCG looking for: [things+you+should+know+before+moving+to+Seattle], and while we likely disappointed that particular visitor, I would like to make amends by offering up this list of ten things you should know before moving to Seattle:
1) It rains.
2) No really, it rains a lot here. Despite what they say about it raining more in Atlanta, Boston, or D.C., the rain in Seattle can be like a slow trickle that never turns off. But the rain is okay… really… because one day… some day… it stops. And on those first few warm, sunny spring days, all of life is good in a way that Californians will never understand (unless they move to Seattle).
3) Seattle isn’t always comfortable being a high-tech town. Sure we design operating systems, sell stuff online, try to appraise every home in America and stream lots of music and movies, but a substantial portion of the population relates much more to the art of building airplanes.
4) Consensus Rules. Just agree with me on this one or I’ll never be able to get to #5.
5) Traffic Rules. People in Seattle talk a lot more about traffic than the weather. Depending on where you are moving from, traffic will either be horrible or a non-issue. Most blue-state people will laugh at Seattle traffic because you can normally get between any two points in the City in under a half-hour at all times of the day. Red-state people see the parking lot known as SR 520 and wonder why we haven’t build another bridge yet (see #4 for a hint at the answer).
6) Seattle is not that big. We have all the stuff associated with life in a major city: Theaters, traffic, ballets, sports teams, traffic, skyscrapers, music, etc., but you really don’t have to travel far to feel like you are in rural America.
7) Seattle is closer to Asia than Mexico. If one of the staples of your diet consists of cheap and tasty Mexican food, then you will eventually replace that staple with Pho. The sooner you accept this (and the sooner you stop saying “The Mexican food is so much better in California”), the sooner Seattleites will let you know about the good Asian restaurants. (And by the way, since we’re talking about good food, I feel obliged to mention that the Mexican food I remember growing up with in California was so much better than anything you can find in Seattle…)
8) The intersection of NE 50th St and 40th Ave NE is about a mile away from 50th Ave NE and NE 40th St. In the Seattle area, all the street names are numbered and given one of nine directions (NW, N, NE, SW, S, SE, E, W or blank). The numbers begin at 1 in downtown Seattle and radiate out wards. The directions also radiate out, but are city specific, unless, of course, they aren’t… Like at the intersection of 244th St SW, 100th Ave W, N 205th St and 8th Ave NW. There is logic to the entire street system and if you live here long enough, you will understand. Until then, you will be confused and miss appointments, meetings, birthdays, etc.. On a related real estate note, if you are new to Seattle, do not attempt to search for a home without a real estate agent. The street system was designed by a committee of real estate agents who wanted to ensure that you need their help to locate a home. 😉 Also on a related note, Redfin has proposed new street names (featuring real names) for all streets in a effort to ensure the viability of their business model, but at this point, they are still very far from getting consensus on their proposed naming convention.
9) Paul Allen.
10) Despite what you might have read in Wired, Fremont is the Center of the Universe.
Have I covered everything?
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Seattle is really a paradise. Its quite nice to live and raise a family because of the “10 great reasons” stated above. But of course, aside of considering those things, it is more important that you have friends and peers in your place that you can mingle with.
For great mexican food go to white center…Taqueira Del Rio.
And thanks for the link” the other day. I should be answering there but the post was so great I thought it deserved a thoughtful response. That thread warrants more attention…it’s right on.
Yes! That is very true..white center area is like the ‘mexican town’ on the far west side of Seattle, & the east side is ‘china town’. Which is pretty funny when you think about it! hehehehehe!
I lived in California my whole life and moved to Seattle in 2005. I grew up on Mexican food. To be honest, I dont notice a difference. The main thing I miss about California is Tommy’s Hamburgers and El Pollo Loco. It doesn’t rain non stop. It doesnt even drizzle nonstop. I would notice this because I am a runner, and I dont run when it’s raining. Seattle not even close to having the most inches of rain in American. If you wanna be accurate, you can say it’s a cloudy city in the winter and you don’t get much sun.
The worst part about Seattle, is the street names. That’s mostly Bellevue, Redmond, Kirkland. Who was the idiot that decided on giving streets these stupid numbers. You can’t remember them. the NE and SE coming before the street or after the street, it’s so stupid. I still remember street names in L.A. To this day, I cant remember if my address is off 132nd ST NE or NE 132nd ST, and I have lived here seven years.
By the way, we have the best summers in the country.
Marc,
I can help you with that. Streets run East to West and the “directional” comes first as in NE 124th Street. Avenues run North-South and the “directional” goes at the end as in 124th Ave NE. So if someone says “NE 124th” you know it is the Street and not the Ave. If they say 124th NE then you know it is the Ave and not the street. And when you get to the corner of 124th and 124th in Totem Lake…pull over and pull out your compass app on your phone. 🙂
Sorry don’t mean to be rude I could never live in Seattle.
It sucks, I hate it. People can buddy up to you but hanging out after work or meeting people at bars or shows is out of sight out of mind.
That is true. Everyone is so very nice here, but don’t count on them being your friend.
I’ve not found that. I came here too from CA and have made many friends in the 15 years I have lived here – good friends through work, the local hoods I have lived in, even kindness of the checkers in the grocery store offering local advice on places to go, see, what to feed your pets. I have found it to be wonderful place filled with intelligent people, beautiful landscapes, and endless things to do. It’s too bad you have not found it – perhaps you need to be more open, better mood, watch the energy coming from you?
If your idea of good Mexican food is El Pollo Loco, then it is no wonder you think that Seattle Mexican food is OK.
Interestingly, I just took down a comment from someone who was pretty darn unhappy with the service they received from a real estate agent… The comment (with the agent’s name removed) follows:
Beware!!! One thing you should know before picking Real Estate Agent if moving to Washington- Beware of dealing with [XYZ agent]. One of the most unprofessional experiences of my life. Was only interested in commission for the deal. This agent was not only inconsiderate, flakey , and foul mouth. But wasted so much of our time in our search for a new home. Only sharing this to help others avoid what we went through.. We missed several opportunities because of her lack of response and effort. BAD NEWS!!!
It is a blog and I encourage comments, but I just can’t see keeping up a comment that bashes another agent… If someone disagrees, I’d be interested in hearing their reasoning.
I use agents and it would be really nice to know who NOT to work with. I don’t have time to waste. I don’t think bashing is the way to go about telling others your opinion about someone or a company. Like any business out there offering there services, USUALLY the unspoken norms is courtesy, respect, being consious of doing a good job to earn and keep your customers. I know when I’ve stayed at hotels for example, they always give you a place to offer your opinion. They want to know how they are doing both good and bad. Potential guests can see and hopefully make a decision to say at their Hotel. That is how they impove. EVERYONE should know word of mouth is the best advertisment-good and bad! If a person or a company is not performing up to standards, or they don’t care about how they treat people, they should be pointed out so others don’t waste their time, money or talents….that’s the way it works. If you want to keep your customers or get new ones, are you unprofessional, inconsiderate, flakey or foul mouthed?….If you were, I would want to know that. This agent needs to know she blew it and lost a customer.
I think that the blog is no place to bash someone… especially since the blog was generally informitive and thoughtful. BUT, since it is also important how to not waste time, I think simply leaving a link to an Angie’s List comment (where you bash her) probably would be best.
I personally think that hiring a real estate agent is a huge waste of money. With the technology that we have today it is not hard to research for yourself where you want to live. Real estate agents are just glorified door openers. They sell the fact that they work for you but both the buyers and sellers agent benefit from a higher priced home because they each receive a percentage of the sales price. Most only negotiate seller paid closing costs, the purchase price (which again the higher the better for both of them) and draw up the contract (filling in the blanks on a preprinted form) and for that they make an unbelievable amount of money. They believe that their role is to be rude and demanding to the other people involved in the deal that actually earn the money they make. I have been in the mortgage industry for 15 years and although there are plenty of people in mortgages that are dirtbags too..Real estate agents take the cake. It would take a normal functioning human being one afternoon to learn how to do what a r/e agent does..save your money folks..you can negotiate a much lower purchase price if the seller does not have to add 7% to the purchase price to pay both agents.
Friend, you could not be more mis-informed. I work in the real estate industry (I am not a realtor) and am certainly no apologist for agents, however I work with them every day. The good agents are worth their weight in gold. Bad agents are worth nothing. There are complex contractual issues that come up that must be handled and it is not as easy as “filling in the blanks” when it hits the fan. There are resale issues to consider, where the average person has no clue. Inspection issues. The list goes on and on
Darrell,
Agreed! I’m not a realtor either, but work with them on a daily basis. Lots of people are under the misconception that they’ll save money by going it alone. If you have a good agent, you’ll save so much more money. They have tools and experience at their disposal and will make sure you get the best deal and avoid unwanted issues in the future.
Of course, not every agent is a good agent – Choose wisely.
I’m a junior in high school and I am seriously considering moving to Seattle to attend the UW there. I am from a small town in southern Louisiana so I want to know what differences I can expect. I’ll be getting a creative writing or a major to get a leg up in editing. Are there many opportunities for a job in publishing in Seattle? I was hoping for a branch in one of the big 6 of publishing.
Sounds like 10 great reasons to live in Seattle to me! Rain, lots of rain, more rain, wonderful asian food, traffic we can all complain about (but not really have to endure), a visionary like Paul Allen, and the Center of the Known Universe! How do you guys pack it into just one city? I don’t think you do! I think you share all these things with Portland!
Remember, Seattle and Portland are suburbs of each other if you go by air. In fact, I can get from Portland to Seattle faster than I can cross town during rush hour in Portland. I’ve been to Seattle in rush hour, so I know its true there too!
False! I live in Portland and it doesn’t and will NEVER hold a candle to Seattle!!! And that’s a fact!
Bloomberg Magazine listed Portland as the number one most depressing city to live in… Number one in front of Cleveland, Detroit, Atlanta, and Cincinatti. Seattle? Not even in the top 20… So… If Portland is a suburb of Seattle, then it is the BAD part of town…
This is all a matter of opinion. You couldn’t pay me enough to move back to Seattle now that I’ve experienced Portland. So, I think this statement should read, “I used to live in Seattle and it doesn’t and will NEVER hold a candle to Portland!!! And that’s a fact!”
Portland? You have to be kidding.
Kathy,
You’ve definitely hit upon a good topic for another post… 10 Reasons to Live in Seattle.
I’m sure that would hit upon the most positive reasons for living in Seattle (and it would probably be more appropriate for a real estate site anyway!)… So, I’ll start work on that right away…
Any inspiration you (or anyone else) want to share for the “reasons to live in Seattle” list?
A few more points…
11. Seattle is a football town, unless the Seahwks are struggling. Then we become a baseball town, unless the Marineers are struggling. In which case there’s always the Sonics & Huskies. You will not find a more rabid set of fair-weather fans and bandwagon jumpers anywhere else in the country.
12. It’s hilly downtown. OK, it’s not San Francisco bad, downtain Seattle has it’s fair share of hills. If you drive downtown, drive a car that has an automatic transmission. Your clutch will thank me later.
13. Regarding to #6, living in the suburbs is great because downtown is close enough to visit, but far enough away that you don’t have to deal with it every day. You also have a head start if you want go visit the Snoqualmie Valley or points east.
14. Summer begins on July 5. (After the soggy Independence day fireworks)
11. Beware the Seattle Freeze.
12. It is likely the most casually dressed city in the country.
13. The Eastside is not Seattle.
14. We’re very liberal and, as a city, fairly corrupt. Most of the city’s larger projects are dictated by a few rich people, even when referendums have already gone the other way.
When I am washing dishes at my kitchen sink in Kirkland, looking directly at the Seattle skyline and the space needle, it sure feels like I’m in Seattle, Ben.
Makes me a bit homesick. I’m in San Francisco now, which is a great city. No question about it. However, just getting across town and finding parking takes some serious planning. Seattle is just the right size for all you really need in a city yet not big enough to be a major hassle. Good posts on your site as well. Cheers.
Yes it is easier to find parking in Seattle because people are starting to not drive a parking spot costs you $7.00 for a half an hour.
I want to move to Seattle to be with my family who just moved there.
I’m going to be very sad about the no mexican food thing. But how is the city in terms of demographics? Are there a lot of diverse people? Or how does it go? It’s not whitepeopleville is it? I hope not.
I’m going to miss the sun.
I am a San DIego girl.
Anything else I should know before making the move?
Anything that will be drastically different from SD?
WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH WHITE PEOPLE?
She never said she had a problem with white people.
I am white, and I live in Grayling MI…(don’t come here)…originally from the East Coast,
but I sincerely miss the diversity I had growing up.
Unless, you go to a rare Chinese food place here,(if there is one).
There is no other ethnicity in the area.
There is nothing but rednecks, lowlifes, white trash, and hicks.
So, she just wants to know if WA has cultural diversity. To answer her question, yes.
Their second language is Japanese. Unlike CA which is more of a Hispanic community.
But, there people of all different kinds of ethnicity.
yeah, you can’t swim in the pacific ocean. and the temperature will be much lower anytime of the year. rest of things are the same, hun
Where here did your family move to and what nationality are you/they?
Wow, I type in “Should I move to Seattle” into Google and I get this little bit of serendipity. I too, am a San Diego girl looking Northward. What’s up there? More importantly, how can I find a job?
Andrea,
Sorry for glossing over your great questions… We have a fair bit of information on northwest neighborhoods on this site, although there are a ton of resources, but it really depends on what you are interested in…
What type of community are you looking for? What type of job do you want? Seattle is a big enough city that it probably has a neighborhood/job to fit just about everyone!
Hi,
I’m moving to Seattle next year alone. Been in NYC my whole life and feel like I need a change. I love Seattle and fell in love with it the first time I was there in 1993. I’m currently looking for employment, want to obtain a job before I move there if I can. Any good websites for job hunting in Seattle you can recommend? Also searching for an apartment. Also, what areas are best for young single people such as myself? Thanks!
This is a bit odd, lots of San Diego remarks in here…I just finished my undergrad in San Diego and would like to move to Seattle but have never been so I do not know the where-to and where-not-to live in Seattle. Any suggestions on safe-for-running-solo, fun-people, unique neighborhoods?
Second, I would really like to get an environmentally oriented career going…whether it is educational outreach, private industry, state or federal. Any suggestions on finding an environmentally oriented job?
Thanks!!!
I live in Seattle, here’s your answers…
1. Safe-for-running-solo/fun-people = Green Lake or Freemont
2. Environmentally oriented career = start at UW, really, they love the trees there.
There are lots of great neighborhoods in Seattle and if you can get yourself around Greenlake, then you can join the thousands of others who use the pathway around the lake for running on a daily basis. I’m sure there are other neighborhoods that would work equally as well, but Greenlake sticks out when I think of good running places because I’ve seen so many people out there rain or shine.
In terms of an environmental-oriented career, I just don’t know. My gut reaction is to say try to get in with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation since they are local, have billions in funding and are looking to solve some very important world-wide problems. Most of their stuff is not environmentalism along the lines of Greenpeace, but I’m under the impression they are making a wonderful difference in the world.
What about schools South of Seattle, say Puyallup, Kent, Sumner area? What are the best elementary and middle schools with gifted programs?
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Hi
Im from Mexico City and my husband, my baby and I we will moving to seattle in January. He’s going to work in the UW. What neighborhoods recommend me to live? What should I do at first? Sorry for my english…I am terrified…
HOLA,
I AND MY WIFE ARE MOVING TO SEATTLE AS WELL AND YOU WILL LOVE IT, SHE IS FROM VERACRUZ! GOOD LUCK!
Cecilia,
Welcome to Seattle… And your English is just about perfect so far!
It doesn’t really matter where a family is coming from, the questions you ask are pretty darn universal!
There are so many different factors that go into the most appropriate place to life, there is no way I could tell you the right neighborhood right off the bat. Assuming you want something somewhat urban, then you will either want to stay within or close to the boarders of the City of Seattle.
In terms of first steps, it would probably be a good idea to talk with my wife. Her name is Anna and you can find her contact information on this page. I imagine that she is going to recommend that you rent a place for a while to get the feel for the City, and she can give you some tips on where to look for rentals. Both Craigslist and Move.com (my employer!) are good places to start. Craigslist has more single-unit places while (I believe) Move currently has a larger selection of condo-type rentals.
Hope that helps! Don’t be too terrified… The people in Seattle are really nice!
Hi Dustin,
I’m planning on moving to Seattle next year, probably in May 2011. I’ll be moving there alone, been in NYC my whole life and need a change, plus I love it there, fell in love with Seattle the first time I went there in 1993. Is is alright if I contact your wife as well for some tips? I’m currently looking for an apartment as well as a job in non-profit. Thanks in advance for your help!
Alison
I am thinking about moving to Seattle in June from the midwest (suburban Detroit). I am really excited about the change, but also very nervous. I don’t know anyone in seattle and am expecting my first baby right before the move.
I feel that I fit the Seattle relaxed personality, but worry about meeting people and starting afamily. I wonder whether the continuous months of cloudy weather will make me depressed.
Everyone worries about the depression. I can tell you for fact that my daughter was more depressed in sunny L.A. than she is here.
Amen. Leaving L.A. after many years here. For all the sunshine, there is a definite freeze here, and I’m not just talking Botox. People are shallow and superficial. Intelligence is in short supply. The weather really isn’t enough of a reason to live here, and really, how much time do you spend OUTSIDE? With the known effects of sun damage on the skin, sunshine is over-rated. Although I’m a bit concerned about the rain I’ll face in Seattle, at least people won’t be fake.
Amen to that! I’m originally from Philadelphia and “fake” doesn’t sit well with me. Not a big fan of liars either.
I’m with Ardell on the depression part… My sister (who now lives in Seattle) was not nearly as happy in Las Vegas (and there is a LOT more sun there!).
My wife and I are moving there from Boulder, CO in the summer and yes, this is another weather-related question…
Is it literally continuously cloudy/drizzly/gray from Oct to May ??
Does the sun come out at all during those months ??
Please be as specific and truthful as possible…. Thanks !
it’s worse than that.
rain is mostly misty, sprinkly stuff that seattlites don’t even carry an umbrella for
and it is cloudy, grey, and “rainy” quite often from Oct until July 5.
Yes, the sun will come out for a day. or an hour. or 10 minute intervals.
I’ve even seen it rain here when the skies were blue and the clouds were white
“we don’t need no stinking clouds”… LOL
We call this month “JUNE_UARY” for a reason.
this spring has been particularly nasty.
Yes, for all who asked the grey/wet can be very depressing if you are a sun lover
like myself.
Greg,
It is overcast for much of October through May… The sun will pop out every once in a while, but we found that it really helps to plan one “sun” vacation in the winter!
To the lady thinking of moving from Detroit, I know alot of Michiganders that couldn’t hack it. Most didn’t make it 3 months.
Wish I had read this before moving to Seattle from Metro Detroit. It would have saved me two years of figuring it out on my own. What isn’t mentioned is the Nice/Ice , The Seattle Freeze. If you are planning on moving to Seattle don’t expect to make friends outside of someone holding the door for you at the grocery store. I’ve lived all over and have always made friends quickly, here in Seattle I’ve just given up. I was an outgoing, confident person now I’m a shut who tries not to use her hands too much when talking, doesn’t expect people to actually come over, doesn’t know the name of a single neighbor in my apartment complex, and buys things off of QVC just so the UPS guy will knock on my door so I can hold him hostage long enough so I can have someone to converse with. Seattle is great if you are a loner. It’s also a beautiful, clean and safe place to be. Not so good if you are an assertive, friendly person. I think the high depression and suicide is more from lonliness and lack of contact than the weather. Rain I can handle, the Seattle Freeze is a killer.
I been living here for about two years and I love it here…love my job, love my apartment, but the Seattle Freeze is just killing me…its the only reason I am considering to come back to California…
What activities have you done to meet people?
Generally, I’ve found the best way to meet people is to volunteer (I volunteer at the Seattle Metaphysical Library these days, but I’ve done many other volunteer activities), attend a class (there are thousands of classes) or get involved with civic groups, including community councils and activist groups. There are hundreds of different organizations that are focused on making Seattle a better place to live. Once you get to know people, by working with them, not only will your social life be better, but you will have people in your life that you share values and interests with.
I tried to do a Meetup group once, but found too many of the people weren’t really interested in the subject, they just wanted to meet other people who were interested in the subject. Going to a meeting once a month won’t cut it, you need to actually get involved, go over to people’s houses, invite them to your house, etc.
Im going to give everyone the straight dope on living here, no sugar coating. The gray, clamy, rainy weather is depressing and forces you to be inside 9 months out of the year. Anyone who tells you it isnt, is lying to you. Within a few years, no matter how tan you are now, you will have a white pasty complexion. You end up owning a lot fleeces and hoodies. I moved here from St Louis 9 years ago to work at SBUX as an analyst and stuck it out ot get into the software industry and now its time to go back to my original plan – move to San Diego. In the 9 years I have been here, I can count all of my freinds on one hand and they turn over as people leave or flake out on you. Most people walk around staring at the ground with a permanent grimace on their face. Very much a city of loners, accentrics and introverted intellectuals. You will literally never find such a concentration of wierd, creepy people anywhere else on earth. Dont even think about moving here by yourself and think your going to have a great network of nice new friends, that doesnt happen for anyone. I agree the suicide rate comes from the loniless and isolation. People actually sit at the bars here and read books, not looking at or talking to a soul!? Where have you ever seen that? And it actually starts to wear off on you, you find yourself closing up and thats when its time to go. As for the outdoors stuff which is what really drew me here: If you like skiing, hiking, biking, golfing and camping in the cold and rain (and you really wont like it) thats what you will get. The snow is like skiiing through frozen yogurt and I have never met so many early retired skiers from ACL injuries. It takes an hour and half to get anywhere worth hiking (walking through the woods for hours to reach one actual view) or skiing and a $30 ferry ride combined with several hours of driving to hike the Olympics. Gas prices are the highest in the country. What you dont pay in income tax you will in sales, gas, liquor (state operated), candy, bottled water and cigarette taxes. The food is overpriced and dull. I hope you like asian because thats all there is. A Thai restuarant on every corner. There are no good BBQ, Mexican, Italian or Steakhouses here. Period. Want snow and Mountains? Move to Denver. Want sunny happy people? San Diego. Want to hide behind a computer, have no friends and meet all of your wierd, quirky dates online? Welcome to Seattle.
Gosh, John!
I’ve been thinking of relocating to Seattle from a Socal Coastal town where I operate a contemporary art gallery. I have many art-related friends and a pretty active social life, but would like to try someplace new. Originally from San Francisco, but that City is now overcrowded, expensive and a nightmare traffic-wise.
You just scared the holy bejeezus out of me!
Unfortunately – Jon has it right. I’m experiencing the exact same thing and I love outdoor activities. I’m planning to head back to a more sunny and coastal area.
Spot on Jon. Been here for 3 years now and you’ve described it exactly. Aside from the beautiful 2 months you get, it is crazy sad here. Oh and making friends is hard. The outdoor is nice but anything worth while is at least an hour drive away. If you don’t mind hiking, camping in the slightly cold and wet then there is good outdoor stuff.
I strongly agree……especially with this comment…want to hide behind a computer, have no friends and meet all of your wierd, quirky dates online? Welcome to Seattle…If love being a loner, Seattle is the right place for you….
John,
How do you explain the people I have known who moved to Seattle and have alot of friends and meet people without problem and wouldn’t live anywhere else? Any city in the country can be that way socially. I live in Dallas, and your Seattle social description could have just as well explained Dallas as well. You have to get out and join the community, clubs, etc. You may have clouds/mist, but try not even being able to go outside from June-Oct b/c it is so HOT and humid. We haven’t had rain here in almost 2 mos the land is dry and barren. We have had 50 days straight of triple digit temps. I will take Seattle weather anyday. All in all, no place is perfect and not every location is going to suit everyone. You just have to do your research, visit places and see what works for you. I wouldn’t expect anyone that wants to live in San Diego to like Seattle. IMO, San Diego has unfriendly, “strange” people, but different strokes for different folks!
WOW!! So many topics here and I truly DO NOT know who to believe!! My friend has been living there, moved from Florida, for 2 years and she loves it! I couldn’t help but agree with the TX lady!! I live in Florida, have for many many years and it’s actually so true from May-Oct you rarely do things outdoors because it is so hot/humid. I would rather; I guess do things in the cloudy “mist” then blazing HEAT!! I guess every state has there share of issues or everyone who reside in that “perfect” place. Then it would not be that perfect any more because it would be over crowded.
Wow.
What a lot of pathetic whining!
Unfortunately, it’s people like John – transplants – who are and have been in the majority for a few decades now in Seattle.
Rain doesn’t hurt. Really. It builds character. It’s depressing if you are weak, and NOTHING forces me to be inside 9 months out of the year.
Damn. Go be happy and sunny in SD. Please!
Tom,
you should think twice before you go off spouting off about how someone is weak if they are depressed. People like you do not even have a clue how this disorder takes over someone’s life.. which may be why Seattle works for you. It’s not something people can control when you get hit with this. I battle depression and I am making my efforts to find a social life here in Seattle.. yet I don’t get too far. I’m just now realizing that this isn’t a good practicing ground for an introvert like myself most likely because the city contains too many other introverts.
I resent that you call someone weak for something they cannot help!
This is the best description of Seattle I’ve come across. I lack the vocabulary to describe the social pathology here because it’s unlike anything I’ve ever experienced or heard of. You really have to live here about six months before you break through the polite exterior and wake up one day to realize you are surrounded by, what…androids? Sociopaths? Autistic children? Seattle folks are some VERY special snowflakes and have an incredible incapacity for introspection. Of course any criticism is met with denial and “good, leave” comments.
Never seen anything like it, even in the most backwoods areas of the south. It’s a nightmare and I’m glad to be leaving now that I realize what this place is all about.
The weather didn’t bother me at all, but the people are just something else.
I agree with the comments “When” made about making friends in Seattle. It is not easy making friends in Seattle, you can live in an apartment for years and never get to know your neighbor. I moved to Seattle alone from Atlanta 13 years ago; I was bubbly, friendly and outgoing. After years of trying to make friends and get connected and people making plans of hanging out but never happening, I just shut down and started keeping to myself. The weather in Seattle is bearable if you have people to share and hangout with. Many of your days are spent lockedup indoors if you don’t have families or friends here. Depending on where in Seattle you live, most people here are stuck you and unfriendly, even the foreigners. Yes Seattle is a beautiful, safe and good place to live and raise a family but, Seattle has changed alot since I moved here.
When,
Sorry to hear you’ve had such a hard time meeting people… I remember for the first few months when my family moved to Seattle, we had a hard time adjusting to life without our usual friends. However, it didn’t take too long for our Ballard neighbors to open up, invite us to weddings, parties, etc. Sorry to hear you’ve gone introverted because it sounds like you don’t enjoy that lifestyle. Do you have any hobbies you can use to meet people? I enjoy cycling and have used that in the past as a way to meet new people. If you join a group like Team-in-training, not only can you get some good exercise, but you get to do some “good” while meeting lots of new people. Just one idea because I happen to know this group is active in Seattle.
Hi,
My friends want me to move to seattle ASAP. My only worry is finding a job. I don’t have degree but I do have fours of experience in HR services. With that being said, do i have a fighting chance in such an academically driven environment……side question, are the woman diverse?
Brian,
Everyone has a chance in Seattle! 🙂 I honestly don’t know what the market for HR service people is like in Seattle, but you can always check around Craistlist’s HR postings to find out.
I live in Ventura County California. Beautiful, but superficial and not a wholesome place to raise children. I lke grey and cloudy, but every day? Is it ahrd to adjust? Are people friendly? Is Mukilteo a good place to settle?
Hi L, I grew up in Ventura and now live in Seattle, with a middle life in SB.
How old are you? I ask because it really does make a difference. Despite the people who say it doesn’t rain here a lot, it does. It is June 20th and still raining everyday. There are many outbreaks and plenty of spans of 2-3 days without rain but it is nothing like the variable perfection of Ventura weather. The people here are not as shallow and the most part are way more open minded but there is a under currant of conservatism that I think. Comes from nothing more than dark cold winters inside. It is not cold compared to some or many but for what ventura is again, being an average 70 year round 35-40 is going to knock you back. Tons of music, culture and different life styles but because of its smallness there is a small town cliquishness that makes it hard to make groups of friends. One or two good ones seems to be the average here unless you’ve grown up gone to school here because of everyone mostly being indoors the majority of the time. Winter blues or the lack of the atmosphere allowing the sun to penetrate close enough to create the right effect for us to make vitamin d is a problem for people used to that. Sun bulbs and vacations and vitamin d tablets themselves especially offer relief for that. Excellent place to raise kids.
Hi all: an East Coaster here, Pittsburgh and NYC, both of which I will always love. alas and alack, something is missing…oh yeah! a city that is a bit green, a bit nice, and good and nurturing, especially for a boy with an MS in interior design. (Im not into making rich folks’ homes more decadent, though, more into design for the masses) So: I like Seattle from afar – with what I’ve said above, does Seattle seem like a good match? Im super liberal, gay, tend towards quietude, and love urban living. I need to get the hell out of NYC, despite loving it. you can only run on fumes for so long.
To both L and Quinn,
43 years in Philly Area and came here from Manhattan Beach. To both of you YES!!! Sincerely…I am known for straight talk. That is no agent BS.
To Quinn a RESOUNDING YES on all counts…hands down. If you know Bucks County and Philly I can draw specific comparisons.
L…not as resounding…I moved here because of the people and YES on that one. You know what I mean and I know what you mean on THAT one. Mulkiteo? Why Mulkiteo? I don’t know a lot about it and will ask Mulkiteoans to answer that one LOL
Hard to adjust? I found a few things that made it easier, without them yes, from Ventura, from some other places not so much. You lose me at Mulkiteo…so let’s let someone else weigh in here.
Thank you Ardell. I do know Bucks, Main Line and Philly. tell me more.
Hello ~
Not planning to move to Seattle (from Northern California) until either the end of this year or early part of next year. What’s the public transportation like there? Do busses run late…here in Sacramento after 10pm you have to take a cab, drive or call a friend if you miss the last bus. What is the average cost of parking downtown. Here it’s $185/mo or $18/day.
Compared to Sacramento, the public transit is pretty darn good (I’ve done extensive transit planning work in both cities in a past life!).
At least within the City, transit is pretty darn good and if you are commuting to Downtown, it will very shortly be the *only* option in Seattle. I took the bus downtown from Ballard just about every day for three years and found it to be shockingly consistent. I’m the type of transit rider who tries to time it real close and that turned out to be a mistake in Seattle as I often caught the tail end of a bus because I was a minute late! 🙂
I say it will be the *only* option shortly because there are some major projects underway and/or planned that will seriously disrupt auto capacity in Downtown Seattle in the near future. Some things that come to mind are: (1) the existing 3rd Avenue Transit project (which has brought over 100 buses per hour to surface streets while they reconstruct the light-rail tunnel under downtown) and (2) Replacement of the viaduct (SR 99) which will cause a ton of through traffic to go either on Downtown streets or on I-5. There is also rumblings of seriously changing around the I-5, but hopefully that project will wait!
Anyway, the good news is that a lot of money is being spent to prepare the transit system for a massive increase in riders.
Hi Quinn,
Sorry, got side tracked. If you tell me where you would live in the Philly area/Bucks County area, I can draw comparisons.
Like Bothell is to Langhorne as Redmond is to Upper Langhorne (toward Newtwon) Bellevue is to Philly Downtown as Capitol Hill and Belltown are to South Street.
If you can pinpoint pretty much any where in the Country you have enjoyed living and why, I can draw parallels that give you a frame of reference visual.
To describe it ALL, what you would like and what you wouldn’t…would be about ten volumes 🙂 Let’s make it relevant to what you like, for my sake. You can email me if you like…or do it here…your choice, but I don’t get emails when you post here, as I do on my articles, so I may miss your comments under the heavy string of talk. If they fall out of the sidebar “get rained on with other comments”, I will miss it. I only get nofications on my articles. Maybe I’ll write an updated article of this nature from my perspective so people don’t have to keep going back to March of 2006.
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My husband and I are considering a move to Seattle from Atlanta. I have gotten lots of answers to questions based on posts already read. I am a bit concerned about the Seattle freeze-We currently have really great, considerate neighbors. We actually go to dinner once every two weeks with one couple who have sort of adopted us ( they are much older) I tend to be a little introverted, and the idea of grey skies and a book sound like heaven to me but I’m not sure about it everyday….Anyway, even thought I am a bit introverted, especially if I am new to an area, I like to have nice people around. I want to make friends, what can I expect out in Seattle? Is it really that hard?
cct,
My family found it quite easy to make friends and this thread is actually the first time I have ever heard of the “Seattle Freeze”.
My experience was that we moved to Seattle from the Bay Area in the fall and it was a relatively slow winter where we made only a few friends with our neighbors. However, when Spring rolled around, it seemed like all the adults in our area were outside tending their garden and the kids were playing on the sidewalks (riding bikes, scooters, hopscotch, etc.). It became really easy for us to make some great friends with our neighbors and we ended up having weekly barbecues during the summer and weekly game nights during the following winters… If you’re open to meeting new people, my guess is that it won’t be very hard for you to make friends in Seattle! 🙂
Man, I don’t what kind of people these folks are meeting that are unfriendly and cold, but I sure have never met them. In the city proper (which is where I live, so I can’t speak to areas farther out) everyone is pretty open. Could it be they’re meeting some unfriendly former Californians ;)… Anyway, the city itself is a great place to live for someone who is looking for a place they will be accepted no matter their lifestyle (well, maybe not so much the “red” folks – Seattle tends be pretty “blue”).
To Quinn – you definitely need to check out Capital Hill to start with – it’s gay mecca. To anyone else new in the city, a great place to meet friendly people is your local neighborhood bar or coffee house. They’re usually full of regulars who can tell you all kinds of inside information.
As for the weather, yes, it rains and is cloudy often, but we don’t have mosquitos the size of cats or creepy, crawly poisonous things, the temperatures are pretty moderate, the humidity is bearable, and Hawaii is only 6 hours away. We’re surrounded by water and mountains (real mountains, not those hills from the midwest), and if you like to camp or hike, you can’t do much better. For us locals, summer in Seattle is enough to carry us through the gray. Today, for instance, it’s blue skies!
Anyone coming to town to check it out, I’m happy to meet up at the Roanoke (small friendly place on Capital Hill) and give you the scoop.
Dear Adrianna,
You appear to be a highly intellegent person with honest opinions; therefore, I would prefer to confer with you if you don’t mind.
My name is Chuck, 53 years of age and recently divorced (without children). I am well-educated with two college degrees in International Relations and Geography. I currently live in the ‘oil belt’ area of Texas and Oklahoma and I can’t stand it. As a conservationist/evironmentalist and ‘green-tech’ want-a-be, I have been wanting to live in an area which is more progressive then my current “red-state” dungeon; can you mention TX Gov. Rick Perry — more insanity! All that Texans want to do is to tear down every beautiful forest and poison the Gulf of Mexico, just to make more money for a few ‘at-the-top’.
I have traveled to all points of the globe, but I have spent too little time in Seattle to judge it. I am looking for an environment which is much more international, educated and intellegent, and open-minded to new ideas and people. A loner much of my life — Texas is not easy, I am looking for a city with friendly and outgoing people who I can bond with. (I have heard about the seattle-freeze, but is it true?) I must confess that I love the sun and especially the nudist resorts that dot the oil belt, but the high temperatures in the oil belt have created three heat stroke for me and I am looking for outdoor activities in a cooler climate, but preferrably not an ice rink. I’m not necessarily a snow skier, but I love to jog, walk, hike, and water activities. I am concerned with the weather in Seattle — being too cold during winter, and ice…
Are jobs difficult to find in Seattle for administrators, salesperson, technical writers, etc. — someone not an engineer? Can a person reinvent himself/herself there?
I welcome your strongest opinion.
Thanks for listening,
Chuck
Thanks for the great offer Adrianna…
I hope some readers take you up on your offer! 🙂
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Alright, so how’s the music scene up there? I’m in Orlando and I love playing out, so this is a pretty important aspect. I like folk/pop/rock type stuff. Is grunge still king?
Dan,
Check out the links at the very end of this article. I think you can get some current info on the music scene in those.
To Dan –
Definitely grunge is not king. Ever hear of Death Cab for Cutie? The Shins will be the next big thing out of Seattle. As for folkie stuff, The Tractor Tavern in Ballard is the place to go. They also have great alt-country and rockabilly stuff, as does The Sunset, just a few blocks up. Harder edged music is downtown (Showbox or Crocodile) or on Capital Hill, but we have it all. Just not so much grunge! 😉
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I’m moving to Seattle with my husband, who is originally from Seattle, my son and I come from Sydney, Australia. I’m really concerned about the weather, I love my sun. Are there any coping strategies anyone can suggest? I was also wondering where the best place to locate jobs in Seattle is, if anyone has any ideas or help that would be great!
Thank you
Dear J Wilson,
You come from my most favorite city in the world and the city that I most want to live and move to. Unfortunately, the Aussie Gov’t in Canberra has made it more difficult (in recently years) for 53 year-old Americans to relocate, especially since I want to work, reside, start a new life, and find ‘love’ there.
From an attitude perspective, I believe that Seattle and San Francisco are the two major U.S. cities most like Sydney, which is why I am considering a move to Seattle — without all of the gov’t interferace. (If I can’t have Sydney, then Seattle may have to do.) I, too, am concernced about the weather, as I love the sun and nudist resorts; but I am afraid that Seattle may be more like Wellington, NZ or Hobart in “Tazi” from a climate perspective. Sydney is still my first choice. Do you know any good immigration lawyers in Sydney?
And with an 11% unemployment rate, a 50% college education level for adults, competition must be fierce in Seattle!
Hopefully, Seattle will be a good place to reinvent yourself. Best of luck!
Thanks,
Chuck
I think where you live is very important. When I lived in Bridal Trails with all the tall pine trees everywhere, I didn’t see enough sun even in the summer. I moved to a much, much smaller lot high up in Kirkland with long distance views over the lake, and the weather’s just fine here. That’s why I say “It’s Always Sunny in Kirkland”.
I would think being low in downtown surrounded by tall buildings would have the same “darkening” effect as being in the big tall pine trees. I also work in a room that is all windows and has grow lights…no problemo.
The alternative is lots of short weekend trips to SoCal.
…Or…during the summer if you want hot temps and blazing sun just go to the Gorge and catch a concert or to Lake Chelan or something. You don’t have to leave the state in order to get sun. You will still need to take a “sun” vacation during the winter or just deal like the rest of us broke folks.
I may be moving to Seattle a lot sooner than I expected. Possibly by this summer. I don’t know anyone there and my only source of information is the internet. One of places where I found an affordable apartment is in First Hill. All the stuff I’ve read online makes it sound like a pretty good place to live. I’d like to hear opinions from people that live in Seattle. Is First Hill a good area to live in?
First Hill is just off Capitol Hill on the South Side. If you like City living and night life, you’ll probably have fun there. I’m assuming you are a younger person.
Younger? Hmmm…definitely not a kid anymore. Thanks for the info!
Definitely need to start having fun again…this is good info to know.
Thanks, Ardell!!
I’m looking for apartments to rent for a young couple with a 6-month old newborn. We’re moving to Seattle and my husband will be working in the University of Washington.
1. Could you recommend me some family-friendly neighborhoods nearby U of W?
2. I looked over on Craig’s List, rent.com, move.com and forrent.com… Any other places to look into?
Thanks!!!
I know a lot of U-dub students rented at Green Lake, which is a great area for strolling aroung the Lake with the baby. A lot of the rentals there are just little red “for rent” signs. Many on the Linden Ave side, some with lake views, but I like the side down by 65th Street near where the Albertson’s is, or used to be. Not sure if it is still there.
Easier to find a rental after you are here, or send your husband ahead to secure one before you arrive. It shouldn’t be very hard, but it is a “do it yourself” project for the most part of driving around and looking for the little red signs. A lot of small complexes in that area that don’t need to advertise other than a “for rent” sign in the window.
Wow – there is some good info here!
My husband and I are moving to Seattle asap as he just got a job in Redmond. We are both from NYC but spent a misereable 18 months in Salt Lake. We are excited to get back to a real city. Everyone is saying we should live on the east side. I read on here someone doing a comparison to Bucks County (which made me laugh). I’m originally from Hunterdon County, NJ and spent quite a bit of time in the Lambertville/New Hope area.
Any insight into the real estate market up there would be helpful. Where are the best areas to live that would be affected the least in a down market? How is the real estate market up there. Back East it’s terrible. Are there any natural disaster issues to be aware of? I ask that because everyone talks about the big earthquake that is suppose to hit SLC soon. Does Seattle have a tendency to flood a lot? As you can see, I’m not a risk taker! 🙂
I love West Seattle. Puget Sound waterfront homes in our neighborhood did flood this past year…but there are many great areas where flooding is not an issue.
I did the Bucks County analogy. Used to sell in Newtown/Yardley/Washington Crossing back in the early to mid 90s.
If Redmond equals Microsoft you will be assigned an agent by them who will pay Microsoft 35% or so of the commission to help cover your moving costs. Many Microsoft people want to live really close to work, so the market there is hot and strong.
Market and issues here very similar to Bucks County and North Jersey…Princeton area. Some basements, some not. Some wet basements, some not 🙂
If you already know the Company, ask for the agent assignment now so you can plug into info early on.
If it is Redmond and not Microsoft, know the market in Redmond is still driven by the same forces.
If you like mexican, nothing here compared to the SFO bay area (N Cali) until I tried Ooba Tooba, especially for the Veggie stuff. Try the one at 555 108th Ave NE, Bellevue, WA 98004 opposite the transit center.
Personally I would not recommend anyone to move from the sunny places (California, Florida, Phoenix, Texas, etc), the weather does drag one down somedays.
Amit
http://oobas.com/
i am planning to move to seattle from kansas city and i am sure it would be a better place than here.. i am an asian guy and i have always felt a racist attitude amongs the midwestern ppl, i hope seattle is much diverse and i wont be looked down as much.. any comments??
Tom,
I think the agents are going to shy away from answering your questions for the reason that there is simply no “safe” way to talk about diversity without treading on dangerous legal grounds. The reality is that Seattle has a large Asian population, and I imagine it has a slightly more tolerant attitude than the typical midwestern city. I wish I could say more, but the type of people you associate with in Seattle really depends a lot more on you than anything else since there are all kinds living in Seattle! I hope that helps!
Sorry Dustin, I was playing with the Bubble People 🙂
Tom…there are more Asian dudes and dudettes around here than any place I’ve ever been. Indian, Asian and everything else. I LOVE Seattle for its diversity.
About 10% of the population looks down their nose at people…so just enjoy the 90% and ignore the rest…feel sorry for them even.
My favorite are the chinese girls. They are funny as hell when buying property. Feistiest group of women I’ve ever met.
OK…I was bored…so I’ll chip in my 2c on regional differences based upon where I have lived.
First…with regards to the “SEATTLE CHILL”…it’s chill you guys…it is not so much of a chill but more of a “realness” to the people. Idle meaningless shallow chit chat is not fed into as it would be in a place such as Los Angeles where I currently am. When I was living in Seattle…what made it “real” was that someone could go into a bar dressed in yuppie attire…put 50c on the pool table…end up shooting a game with a tatooed biker type (at a bar like the Blue Moon or the Meet Me Here tavern in the early 90’s)…and find out that you are both just a couple of people and it is what’s on the inside that matters more than what is on the outside.
Being an educated city…there will be some amount of the “intelligencia”…but big deal…just pass them up…I found that if you are cool…and humble…that the natives are very welcoming…at least that was my impression. Sure…you can absolutely find droves of lame people at certain “watering holes”…but as you get your feel for the city…you’ll know what to avoid.
I won’t start commenting on particular neighborhoods as I know them all and would take a million years to describe them. Sure…some have changed since I moved away 7 years ago…but I still spend plenty of time there. I personally think that the Ravenna area is a nice family area for in city Seattle…and Capitol Hill…just like was mentioned above would be the West Hollywood/Castro district of Seattle…but with a Seattle flavor…which is better in my opinion.
Here are some aspects of Seattle vs Manhattan…It’s kind of like a Manhattan “light”…but not quite there yet. Prettier for sure. Still expensive though if you want to live “urban”.
Seattle vs. The South.
I lived in Columbia MO for about 5 years…there certainly was a midwest “friendliness”. It almost bordered on creepy nosy neighbor kind of friendly. When I lived in the teeny tiny urban core…I couldn’t walk a block without someone wanting to know “how things were going”…like they could really care less…it’s not that I’m being a curmudgeon…but people that hardly knew you would act like this…for those that are used to growing up in a western city…the “southern hospitality” thing can come across as a bit invasive…give people their space…if you don’t…you’ll feel the chill.
Coming from Cal?…Keep your mouth shut…don’t tell anybody…this is your chance to make up something exotic…tell people that you are from Lebanon…Lebanon Missouri that is. They’ll never ask where you are from again. Nobody will be impressed about the beach club that you belonged to…or what celebrity you may have seen while shopping in Beverly Hills…You live in Seattle now.
With respect to Culture…Seattle can hold it’s own in many ways. Speight Jenkins runs a pretty respectable opera, the PNWB is also good. Museums and other art sadly fall behind places such as NY and LA but c’mon…really. The music scene in general is top notch as far as I am concerned. Once again…it may not compete with NYC & LA again…but it will be less expensive…and when one compares it to something like 6th St. in Austin…Seattle wins hands down.
welp…that’s my verbal diharrea for the day.
You really should start a blog, EconE
EconE, You really should have a blog (I think I’ve suggested that to you before as well)….I would not call your blog “verbal diharrea”….just my 2 cents!
Well, I think I have come closer to my decision to move. I’m a software dev/game artist. I’m currently stuck in the southeast (alabama to be exact). Every since I moved here with my parents 10 years ago, I’ve wanted to leave. I used to live in Alaska, so northwest has been my goal all along. I’ve found a tentative job opening in Seattle, so now its all up to me. I just turned 24 and I need to decide!
Not so worried about:
I hope that I fit in. I truley am sick and tired of the static environment and lack of personality that this area has to offer. The people here are super nice and all, but if you have met one person here…then you have met them all. While, I know that sounds ridiculously 1 sided and completely asinine (and it is)… I’m more or less just bitter from the lack of open, outgoing, diverse, laid-back, intelligent people.
Worried about:
The only thing that I am stuck on is this. I currently own my own home here. Obviously, there is going to be a significant change in real estate, as I can own a 2300sq/ft home in the city here for 160k. I’m a little worried as to what I’ll be able to afford. It’s a little scary seeing numbers like 350k 🙂 200k – 250k is alright, but wow… Some of the numbers I’ve seen are scary. I seriously dont care too much about space. I dont really have all that much stuff. I could easily live in a 900sq/ft townhome/condo, but I want it to be in a safe area (obviously) and hopefully near some form of public transportation. Renting is an option for the first year, but I’d still want the comfort in knowing that I can afford to BUY something soon after. 🙂 Thoughts?
I’m a social person. I really like to meet new, diverse, unique people. I like to mt. bike and do some hiking from time to time. I’m a huge art and music geek….so in general I am really excited about Seattle, and if I dont get this job… I may just hunt down another one, because it seems that Seattle has alot of what I want.
Thanks for the help and the great input. Its a hard decision for me, because all my family is here.
-Jason
I live in Atlanta, GA currently, and I am tired of living in a parking lot. I do like a fast-paced environment but not the cold distance felt here (racial tensions I can do without also, on both sides). I visited Seattle over new years and the temperature was the exact same as Atlanta, and even WARMER at night. One huge difference I noticed was the air quality, when stepping off the plain in atlanta all i could smell was dirt and gas. Atlanta’s airport is the biggest, but geesh, its ugly and those security women scream so loud it will make you go deaf. Seattle’s airport is waayy nicer, people hugging, nice normal families everywhere. Oh yeah, not as many FAT people as here in the south.
I am a gay civil engineer, am thinking of capitol hill. I like the alternative types, and unlike atlanta lawyers don’t own all of downtown seattle, I think i can find a job in downtown. In seattle i feel like i can walk to work and people won’t stare me down like i’m crazy like here in the fat stupid south. Sorry for the attitude but i’m burnt out, and i need get out of this hellhole.
Lots of great comments here recently… Jeff and Jason, it definitely seems like Seattle may work for you guys in the near future. Very cool.
Jason, in terms of affording a place… Ardell has a recent article that describes about finding a home for one guy with some very specific requirements. The take-home from Ardell’s post is that if you are disparate and act of desperation, it will always be hard to find a good deal… But appropriate stuff is out there.
Dustin,
Thanks a ton! Luckily, I wont be desperate… I have been looking online and I have many condos that I could afford to purchase. Location is my biggest hill to climb at the moment. I found Condos all over and outside the city! I found one .3 miles from work and another 40 miles from work. Comforting, but confusing 🙂
The potential difference between .3 miles from your work…and 40 miles…can be huge. If the .3 is in Seattle and you work there…fabulous.
If the 40 mile range is south and puts you in the Hilltop neighborhood of Tacoma…that means that every bit of research you have done has been in vain.
40 miles north…well…you are out of the convergence zone so expect more grey days.
40 miles E/NE/SE…you are in what was formerly known as the boonies…the sticks.
40 miles west and you’ll be on a ferry if you want to come to the city…also former “sticks”
People that you would once find in “the sticks”, “boonies”,…or just plain old BFE…are still there. They haven’t changed and some can be a little strange…and some don’t take to kindly to strangers…think ‘Deliverance’.
If you really really want to buy…hook up with a realtor…but in reality…you really should at least rent for a couple months until you REALLY understand the demographics/culture of different areas.
As too my knowledge..there’s nowhere u can rent in any state for less than 6 months..is there a place like that there? Me and my roommate are moving there at the end of March and are looking for a 3 bedroom apt or townhome that’s not over $1000 per month..the only things I can find are on the rent.com and I know that there are probably others that are not listed on there, just like here in Phoenix where they do that..looking forward to not so much sun!
There are short term rentals in every State. They are usually a little pricier due to the heavier turnover. Often short term rentals are furnished and used by relocating buyers who leave their things in the house in their home State until it is sold, or put their things in storage until they buy a house. Every State has short term rentals used by people who are moving from out of State so they have a place to live while looking for a house.
Residence Inns found in most every State are a good example of Short Term rentals, but there are many others. It depends on where you want to me. There are at least 3 in Downtown Kirkland. I don’t know any 3 bedroom not over $1,000, but maybe if you are relocating to Tacoma or Tukwila something like that would exist there. Just not in the areas where I work.
Jason, I live on Capitol Hill and can highly recommend it. I’ve also done the ferry commute, which I don’t recommend, and the walking to Belltown from Capitol Hill commute, which was really nice.
If you haven’t found a place yet, give ShackPrices a whirl (I’m one of the owners). We let you see what’s nearby each place, including public transit, which should give you a good feel for the specific area you’re looking at. Here’s a good starting point.
Oh, and the hiking is accessible from Capitol Hill – I-90 is just a little south and the music scene is great – I’m walking to Camera Obscura at Neumo’s tonight and walked to Of Montreal at the Showbox on Friday.
Rent for a little while until you get a feel for the area. There are affordable places easily within walking distance of the Pike/Pine corridor.
EconE, ‘Deliverance’ think ‘Alabama’ haha. Thanks for the informative geographical post. Actually, I figured anything west was out of the question simply because of the Ferry. I figured it was not a good idea. Most of what I saw was north around “Everett” and “Mill Creek”. I most likely will consult a realtor soon in order to get comfortable enough before making the decision to go. Thanks for posting.
Galen, I was actually going to ask that as my next question. Which areas are close to public transit. I’ll give your site a whirl. I’ve heard alot of good things about Capitol Hill. Thanks for the help.
Either way, I’ll be most likely renting for a bit. But, my main goal would be to purchase within a year of moving.
My obvious main concerns would be:
crime areas (which I havent even looked into yet)
close to public transport (researching now)
price 250k max
MK…post #54
Big earthquake in SLC? wow…maybe it’ll bring a little excitement to that city…I can imagine that it would have been a tough place to live…unless of course you were in Little Cottonwood Canyon and are a ski nut.
It seems like everybody has their earthquake threat…the midwest has the New Madrid fault line…here in Cali we have the San Andreas (and many others)…In the PNW you are in a location that is in what is considered the “Ring of Fire” which is a giagantic underwater faultline in the Pacific.
One thing that you should consider in Seattle with regards to earthquakes is “liquefaction”…it’s not a typical landslide per se…but rather where the soil takes on the “characteristics” of water and will flow like a river. That of course is a pretty unscientific explanation. A perfect example of where “liquifaction” has affected Seattle in the past would be the Perkins Lane area of Magnolia.
With regards to flooding…well…from what I have heard from friends up there as of recent…some of the riverfront property could possibly get a little “hairy” at times…but don’t worry…you will see nothing in Seattle like you see in places such as Indonesia and Bangladesh. The most memorable “flooding” I remember from my time in Seattle was in the mid 90’s where Lake Sammamish rose so much from the rain & snow melt that all the boat docks and much of peoples lawns were underwater. I’m not sure if the houses were affected though. Lake Washington doesn’t have the same problem as they are able to lower the lake (which they do every year during the winter) by using the locks.
Galen,
I found some great “looking” places on your site. All falling within my price range too. Thank you very much for the plug.
Thanks Jason! Let me know if there’s anything that we could do to improve your experience.
Wow, what a great site. Thanks! In May, I’m moving to Seattle from Cleveland, Ohio. It’s a good thing I love rain, geographically smallish cities, and trolls.
I’ve never been to Cleveland, so I can’t make any direct comparisons, but I imagine that Seattle will offer a ton of new opportunities! Seattle is looking forward to your arrival! and let us know how the move works out for you!
Dear Dustin,
You sound like a man who knows things. I am wanting to move from Dallas, TX ASAP, but I do not know what city to relocate to. All these Texans want to do is drill for more oil, destroying the Gulf of Mexico — if need be — to do it.
As you know, Texas is a ‘red state’, and the facist Gov. Rick Perry — do I need to say more.
I consider myself a ‘progressive’ and I would like to get out of the “Oil Belt” and reinvent myself. I have two college degrees in International Relations and Geography, but I have worked in the oil industry, construction industry, and state and Washington, D.C. Govt. and politics as sales representatives, legislative and political analysts, technical writers, and administrators. Since Seattle is so highly educated and “progressive”, I think that Seattle might be the place for a 53 year-old divorcee’ (without children) to reinvent myself. I would really like to work in the ‘Green Technology’ field. What do you think?
I don’t mind commuting by ferry, as I like the water, but I would like to live in an area that is “FUN” and somewhat close to downtown. Can you make any suggestions?
Thanks,
Chuck
If you do move here from Texas please be a considerate driver. Cars with Texas license plates here in Seattle are very rude motorists.
That is BS, Texans are the most curteous drivers in the nation…..I’ve been in Seattle 3 years and have yet to have one single driver give me a friendly wave of acknowledgment for letting them cut in line. Furthermore, my son was even fired from a job here because of his “provincial” manners…..boss really hated that he used “please and thank you” and said “yes ma’m and yes sir”……that is messed up! I have encountered some friendly Seattle natives but by and large it is true that the average people you pass on the street will NOT speak a friendly hello or even acknowledge if you do! In fact I would venture to say that the people actually living on the street are frequently the only ones who care to engage in coincidental pleasantries. It is however, great to feel that everyone is accepted, that too, however, has its’ limitations and quirks. Seems to me that a lot of times in Seattle, the “counter culture” has become the status quo and if your not the “right” brand of grungy or hip or whatever, those who “are” just want nothing to do with you…..not exactly the open minded, place for everyone Utopia, but is amazingly beautiful, great public art, culture, just super young and sometimes incredibly aloof and self indulgent.
Morgan,
Use the NE to NW conversion method. It never gets AS cold, and when it snows there it rains here. So instead of one season of snow and one of rain…we have two of rain 🙂 Though we did have a bit of snow this year too. Spring and Summer are about the same…we just have two Falls, less rain in summer and more in November. All in all, much better than Ohio weather.
Hi. My husband and I are just starting to think seriously of relocating from upstate NY out west. He grew up around here and I hail from the Main Line outside Philly. We’ve both been to San Francisco (in fact my brother and sister both live there) and we really love it there, but the cost of living seems outrageous. We are looking for somewhere with a similar vibe, but more costly. I have never been to Seattle, but for some reason, I am ridiculously attracted to it not even knowing that much about it.
I will be the one having to scout out places since I have more vacation time than my husband does. I am a school teacher and he works at a Harley-Davidson dealer. We don’t have much money to spend, but would very much like to find a way to move. Do you have any comments, suggestions, ideas, or anything that would help us? Whatever you’ve got is greatly appreciated.
Yeah, I’m really tired right now. Just to correct what I said before, I mean we’re looking for somewhere LESS costly to live. Sorry! :-
Rannah,
Moving to a new city is almost never an easy thing to do. You end up leaving behind a support network and stuff you know. However, for excitement of trying new stuff and meeting new people outweighs the consequences of doing nothing! And it sounds like you and your husband might be on the verge of a breakout move.
The benefit of Seattle over other west coast cities (with the exception of Portland) is that it has many “big city” benefits (live theater, music, museums, etc.), without the city becoming overwhelming. It’s not a long trip from Seattle before you are in mountains, farms, islands, etc. far from the city lifestyle.
In terms of the financial aspect… There is no denying that a cross-country move will cost you some money. The obvious costs, like hauling and travel, are only the beginning as there are all kinds of costs/fees associated with turning on/off services. My experience has been that moving is still expensive even when an employer is picking up the tab (there is only so much they will cover!), and it doesn’t sound like either of you will have that luxury.
With that said, if you’ve never lived on the West Coast, then you are definitely missing out! When you do make it out here, I’m sure Seattle will welcome you with open arms!
Rannah,
I’m not a real estate agent, but I am a homeowner in a town called Edmonds which is in Snohomish County, just north of the Seattle city limits. A couple of things I might consider if I were you:
1) Do you have or are planning to have kids and do you want them to attend a public school? We have a state exam the kids take at regular intervals called the WASL test (Wash Assessment of Student Learning). Check out the school WASL scores for SURE.
2) Where will you work, and how long do you want your commute to be (in hours and also in miles).
3) Is your husband planning on working for HD here? If so, there is a HD dealership in Lynnwood near where I live, but there are also HD dealerships all over. If not, maybe you’re following YOUR job, in which case, do you know which school district you’re leaning towards for teaching?
4) I like shackprices.com for use-ability in terms of home searching.
Keep us posted!
Ok guys, me again. I’ve looked a little via shackprices and other sources and I’ve come to terms that it looks like I will be able to afford a condo. Luckily its just me, myself and I, so the size restraints of less than 1000 sq ft arent going to be an issue!
I looked at crime index vs my current city and I was seriously appalled. I think my bottom jaw hit the floor. Seattle (from my two sources) looks incredibly safe as a big city. Yea, they had higher rates for stolen vehicles, but the big ones like murder, rape, assault were so low for a big city!
I’ve seen a few people suggest capital hill. Approximately, how long would it take to get to 4th street from this area. I know thats probably a vague question. Just looking for a ballpark number. I’d really like to NOT own a car for a while, but if need be then I can.
Everyone here is so helpful. Thanks again.
Hello all,
Will be moving back to the Northwest from the Boston area soon. My wife will be working at the Seattle Cancer institute in the UW area. What are some good unique areas within 15-20 commute to the UW area? How is the public transportation system. and how long would the commute be from Woodinville?
Thanks
apowens,
15 to 20 miles is a huge range and an appropriate “unique” area really depends on the type of neighborhoods that appeal to you. I would have started with the urban areas since that is my preference, but if you are leaning toward a more rural area like Woodinville, then just about anything is on the table. You’ll really have to give me a little more in terms of what neighborhood characteristics would interest you before I can nail down something for you!
In terms of the public transportation… If you’re looking to go to central locations (i.e. Downtown Seattle, UW, Bellevue, etc.), then the transit system is pretty darn good for commuting. I wrote a whole post on commuting to Seattle a long time ago, but I just checked and many of the links are still working and may be helpful!
Hello again,
to give you some more info I was looking for 15-20 min. our plan is this my wife will be coming out in 2 weeks while I stay back to sell our house and my daughter will finish the school year and we will come out in June. My daughter has one more year of high school left and from some research the Woodinville high school is very good. After her last year we will buy a home in the city some of the areas we like are Ballard and Fremont and around green lake.
Thanks for the info
Woodinville is 35 minutes to UW on a good day and 45 on a bad day. If you are looking to be some where for one year and than move, I would strongly consider renting for that year. Too short a timeframe to absorb all of the costs involved on the way in and out with any degree of certainty.
Seems Lake Washington High School or Bellevue High would would make more sense for a lot of reasons, commute being one.
Yes we will rent for that year and buy the next summer. How are those 2 high schools compared to Woodinville. 35-45 isn’t that bad she is driving 1hr each way currently. but that 35-45 min is shorter in miles im sure.
Hello Everyone, this has been very informative. I am seriously considering moving from New Hampshire. I have had a number of life changes in the last 2 years and really need a change. I hike, mt. bike, road bike, backpack, ride a motorcycle and kayak, so I think Seattle and the surrounding area have what I need in that aspect.
My background is in clothing design, and from what I have seen and researched there are a lot of cottage industry ‘sewing’ places in or near the city.
How about healthcare? I am a breast cancer survivor, but with my family genes, I have a pretty good shot at recurrence, and want to know if there is someplace comperable to Dartmouth Hospital, which I can not say enough good things about.
I have lived in Maine, NH, Anchorage Alaska and Chicago. I like the idea of Green Lake as so many have suggested because I am now single again and want to feel safe in my surroundings. I hadn’t thought about the renting for a while before purchasing idea, but that makes perfect sense. What about the tax ramafacations? I will need to sell my house here in New Hampshire first, how does that work, sitting on that $$ before purchasing again, on your taxes?
Thank you for the great site and suggestions!
Oh, I was toying with the idea of working at Pike Place as a handcrafter, any thoughts on that?
Thanks!
Chinook,
So many interesting places to take a response… I can’t claim to have any experience with cancer treatment in this area, but my understanding is that the cancer research facilities at UW are top notch.
In terms of outdoor activities, you really don’t have to travel very far out of the city to get to some pretty great trails, waterways, etc. (and there are even some beautiful hikes WITHIN the City of Seattle!). All in all, this are should definitely work out.
You’ll definitely want to talk with a tax attorney to confirm anything I’m going to say, but I believe that the first $250K ($500K for couples) in profit on a home that you’ve lived in for at least two years is tax deductible. This is how I interpreted what my tax guy told me, but please, please confirm this with someone else. Assuming that is true, then you should able to put a huge chunk of the money from your existing home into something relatively safe (like a money market account) until you are ready to buy with very little tax implications.
In terms of a handcrafter at Pike Place market, my only warning would be that the competition is quite stiff! There are some amazing artists there and many of them have been there for years! That doesn’t mean you won’t be able to stick out, but be prepared for an extremely fast-moving pace! 🙂
I hope that helps!
To add to Dustin’s comments…My processor is a stage 4 breast cancer survivor who swears by the Seattle Cancer Care Alliance (Fred Hutch/UW). http://www.seattlecca.org/patientsandfamilies/adultCare/clinicalProgs/breastCancer/
Thank you both for the quick responses!
I found the Seattle Cancer Care Alliance on the web and it sounds very comperable to Dartmouth, with any luck I will only need them for screening.
I have been a handcrafter for 30 years, so I am not that easily intimidated! 🙂 But really it is good to know that some of the shops have been there forever, good to know people CAN make a living out there doing what I do here.
I think the best thing for me to do now is get out there for a week or two on vacation to scope out all of the areas and such. The more I really think about this, the more ‘stuff’ I realize I have, (and would need) to run my own business. I believe renting an apartment for a spell, and then buying a house in an outlying area may be my best plan of attack. I will check with my accountant about the taxes, just trying to do the wisest thing. (The X is an accountant, so he always handeled the finances…)
Thanks again.
I’m moving to Seattle from Chicago in June for grad school at Seattle U. and don’t know a soul. I’m excited. I’m a laid back 25-year-old and will be living in grad school apts until Aug., when I will need to find a roommate at an off-campus apt. Do you think it will be difficult? Also, Chicago is super-gray during the winters. Are the cities comparable when it comes to gray skies? Thanks guys 🙂
Karen,
If things are a little quiet here, it is because most of the real estate professionals who read this probably don’t have a lot of experience with the roommate market. In terms of comparable skies, I’ve only been to Chicago once and it was a blue-sky day in the summer, so I really not very helpful today! Sorry about that…
You might find a little bit more luck on the roommate question on the Craigslist housing forum…
Best.
How about dogs, is Seattle a dog friendly town?
chinook,
The quick answer is yes! When I first moved to Seattle, I was shocked at the level which the city is dog-friendly compared to other places I’ve lived. Someone with a dog would be better to answer the details, but if being close to a dog friendly area is super important to you, I’d recommend getting close to one of the many off-leash dog parks. The parks are an active hub and I used to take my daughter to a local dog park (even though we didn’t have a dog) because it is so much fun to watch all the dogs run around and enjoy themselves (plus it was only a short, but steep, walk to a beautiful beach!).
I also noticed lots of other dog-friendly amenities all over the city (like dog daycares), but I’m sure there are others who would be more informed on these types of things…
I would have to say dog friendly is very important to me. Next to moving to Seattle, getting another dog is my #2 priority. I will look for a Siberian Husky Rescue Leage in the area. I lost mine a year ago, after almost 15 wonderful years, and am waiting to move and settle in to get another. REALLY glad to hear it is a dog friendly area!
What is April like out there? I am thinking of scheduling a trip in mid April for a week or so to scope out everything and drive around neighborhoods and get a feel for the place. Any wonderful events I shouldn’t miss? Any big festivals or such in April?
Thanks again for the quick responses.
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Thanks Dustin!! I already found a roommate on Craig’s List.
My new roommate has warned me of the “icy” social scene, though I’m not sure any of you have dealt with the influx of cold, rude people in Chicago. People are very standoffish in the CHI burbs, so I’m hoping that’s not how Seattle will be. The biggest thing I’m worried about is finding a job outside of grad school. I’m a journalist/graphic designer and I know the publishing market there isn’t the best. What do you think?
Karen,
I’m so glad to learn that you found a roommate already! Great news! In terms of people looking for a journalist/graphic designer in Seattle, Craigslist isn’t a bad place to start that search either! While I really don’t know the demand for that type of position, blogging wouldn’t be a bad way to highlight you skills! 🙂
Any chance you’re interested in writing about the experience of moving to Seattle? I would love to have someone new to Seattle write an occasional article on RCG about their experiences moving to Seattle. Interestingly, my experience with having Danny and Nina blog about their experience of moving to Denver (on another blog platform) has been a fascinating. They have been able to parlay their move into some interesting press, including radio and TV interviews as well as the mayor of Denver declaring a “Danny and Nina Day”.
Hi Dustin,
Thank you Dustin! I would absolutely love to write articles for RCG regarding my move to Seattle. In fact, I’ve already been chronicling my journey as I prep for the move, which is in June, so I would love to delve further into depth on my actual experiences as I transfer to Seattle. Writing is my No. 1 passion and I would appreciate an opportunity to illuminate readers on the experience of moving halfway across the country – from Chicago to Seattle. I will send you my e-mail address.
hi! we are poor and car-less. are there any safe and cheap areas near downtown? thanks a lot.
Hi,
My husband and I are considering moving to Seattle from a neo-con city in Colorado. We have a wonderful cross cultural marriage. Although I grew up in another country, extremely different from his, we do share similar values and political views. We’d like to move to Seattle because everywhere I go here in this place – probably – because I look different and have an accent, most people try to convert me to their religion. It even happens at work, although, it is not supposed to. That’s one of the main reasons; the other one being the job market. It’s dwindling here.
I have been to Seattle in the summer months and I loved everything about it. I loved the diversity, the culture, and the people, and of course the landscapes. It truly takes my breath away everytime I visit it.
The only thing holding me back is the weather issue. Probably 12 out of 15 people I know have tried dissuading me from moving with reasons such as the 1) rain 2) suicidal rate 3) cost of living. My husband and I are in our mid 20s but we both have bachelor’s degrees and are lucky to no absolutely no debt except for the mortgage on our little condo that we own.
Here are my worries and if someone can advise me that would be great:
1) Does rain really affect people that much and has weather been ruled as a cause for the high suicidal rate in Seattle? (I come from a country where we have monsoon).
2) Are Seattlelites open to different religious beliefs?
3) Do you think we could find some jobs? My specialty is in IT and he’s in international business/finance/management.
4) What neighborhoods would you suggest for a young couple to live? We might even consider living downtown but are wary of cost.
Whoever has spent his or her time to read this long message and chooses to reply, I thank you very much for your time. Time is valuable and I appreciate your spending it on me.
Jamie, I’ll start with your question…
Both safe & cheap is a hard thing to find just about anywhere, although it does depend on a bit on what “feels” safe to you. Most of Seattle is pretty darn safe compared to other big cities, but that doesn’t mean that you’d feel comfortable walking around late at night in many of the neighborhoods… Cheap is also pretty darn relative… Sorry I can’t be more help but there are simply too many unknowns…
Hi all-
I am considering a move with my family-and we have elementary age children. Schools will dictate where we live-hands down as we have one child who is in need of support. I am streesed to the hilt as far as making the right decision. We can afford a decent home, though not quite a million dollar one! Can anyone offer advice? I know it is a bit of a taboo subject-real estate agents wont talk about it too much so any info helps. Even moving from a place that has 300plus days of sun to a place that has minimal sun does not scare me as much as finding the best schools. H-E-L-P.
AHS,
I honestly don’t know where the best schools are in Seattle, but rather than leave you hanging, I do know that the School Guide from the Seattle Times seems very comprehensive. I’ll look for more resources (or hope someone else jumps in), when I get a minute, but hopefully that will get you started…
Will you be working in Seattle or on the Eastside? What type of “support”. Sometimes the higest ranked school isn’t the one with the best support of that particular kind.
You are correct that we can’t give detailed nfo regarding schools on a blog other than links. But email me and I’ll see if I can get some info from parents that meets your objective, or at least point you in the right direction regarding whom to speak with at a few schools.
For those of you looking for school research, this site is excellent in terms of data. Be aware though that data isn’t always everything… it pays to visit schools you’re interested in once you’ve narrowed down the options, to see if it’s a fit regarding the feel and culture of the school as well. I’ll put in a plug for Green Lake Elementary in Seattle!
http://reportcard.ospi.k12.wa.us/
Thanks Adrianna! Mom’s know best!
Serene,
I haven’t forgotten about you… It’s just that the answer to your questions are more involved! 🙂
> 1) Does rain really affect people that much and has weather been ruled as a cause for the high suicidal rate in Seattle? (I come from a country where we have monsoon).
While the weather definitely affects people, I’ve never seen any statistics that Seattle has a high suicide rate compared to other areas. (I’ve also never seen any statistics to the contrary). More interesting is that the weather (or at least the rain) doesn’t slow people down like it does in other parts of the country. To give you an example, in a previous life as a Bay Area engineer, I would have have people collect intersection volume counts to monitor traffic levels before a big study. If it rained on a day when we were suppose to do data collection, then we would cancel the study because traffic patterns would change so drastically. Not so in Seattle. In Seattle the rain has no noticable affect on traffic! 🙂
2) Are Seattlelites open to different religious beliefs?
Seattle is filled with an alternative culture and there are tons of people with all kinds of faiths. As long as you’re in the City Boundaries (it is different in other parts of the state!), I doubt you could shock, or even get people to notice, your religious practices.
3) Do you think we could find some jobs? My specialty is in IT and he’s in international business/finance/management.
IT and Business/finance are hot in Seattle, especially in the start up market. Nonetheless, it would really depend on your background. I highly recommend checking out Craigslist, LinkedIn, Jobster, etc. to get a better idea of the market in your particular areas…
4) What neighborhoods would you suggest for a young couple to live? We might even consider living downtown but are wary of cost.
Cost is almost definitely going to be your limiting factor. Depending on which Monsoon area you came from the costs could either shock you as a deal (assuming California) or WAY too expensive (New Mexico). You’re best off talking with an agent (or reading neighborhood blogs!) who can walk you through your options.
I hope that helps!
Hi AHS,
I live in Edmonds, which is a city that’s just inside the next neighboring county to the north of Seattle.
Seattle is in King County
Edmonds is in south Snohomish County
We have awesome schools in Edmonds, which is one of the many reasons why home values have held strong in this school district. Here is a link to the district site. My kids are at Madrona K-8. It is in my opinion, like having a private school experience inside a public school. Our state academic test scores, the WASL, are the highest at Madrona when compared with other schools in our district.
http://www.edmonds.wednet.edu/
Have the district mail out a relocation package to you so you can study all the schools and their boundaries.
Once you cross the border from King County north into Snohomish County, prices are more affordable. First-time homebuyer range in Edmonds is around $350K.
One of the RCG bloggers, Galen has a very cool website where you can zoom in and then look at pictures of the houses for sale. This will give you an idea of what a $350K home looks like in Edmonds v. other areas.
http://www.shackprices.com
What kind of support does your child need?
Jillayne
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Hi Everyone!
I have lived in the Washington DC area for the majority of my life….and I’m ready for a change! I wanted to move to the West Coast and my boyfriend wanted to be somewhere near the mountains, in a city that was neither too expensive nor too HOT….Soooo, we concluded that Seattle would be the best choice! Any thoughts?
We are both looking for jobs out there (which is not as easy as one would expect) and we hope to move out there by the end of the summer. In terms of areas, I have heard a lot about Queen Anne and Magnolia – what makes those areas nice?
I’m a little sad about the Mexican food….but I think my Chicken Enchiladas are pretty good…maybe all the Mexican-food-lovers can just come over to our place!!!
🙂
I would appreciate ANY thoughts, feedback, ideas, suggestions, etc…
Mariam,
Seattle definitely welcomes you! and I imagine that you’ll find it a completely different (and pleasant) environment than DC. I think you’re not seeing a lot of response because your question is so broad. There are entire websites (including this one!) that give lots of advice in terms of neighborhoods and ideas for moving, so it is really hard to summarize stuff in a comment field.
In terms of Queen Anne and Magnolia, they are both quite popular! They share some similar characteristics… They are just north of downtown and both have huge hills that make for beautiful views. Magnolia is closer to the water while Queen Anna is a bit more centrally located. Both are wonderful neighborhoods!
Thanks Dustin!
1) What neighborhoods would you recommend for couples in their late 20’s to early 30’s? (Partying days are over, but not quite ready for retirement either!)
2) Also, I’ve read that the temperatures in Seattle don’t go below the 30’s and don’t go above the 70’s – is that really the case?
3) Would you consider Seattle to be relatively supportive of small businesses? (e.g. Are there little random coffee shops throughout the city?)
4) Shackprices.com is a really great website….I started browsing through the other day….what other websites would you recommend for people moving to Seattle?
I am so happy to have found this blog! Everyone is so nice and responsive – and I have learned so much by reading all the entries!
Hi all,
Can any of you delve into detail on the Greenwood neighborhood in Seattle for me? My potential roommate has a townhouse there so it looks like that will be the area I’ll be settling into. I’ve read a few articles, but wanted to hear some of your opinions. Is there a bus that goes into the Capitol Hill area from there? I will have a car, but I’m also interested to know what bus routes will be accessible. Thanks!! Dustin, I look forward to writing articles on my adventure moving out there!
Karen,
My favorite Greenwood experiences are The Annual Classic Car and Rod Show and Yanni’s Greek Restaurant
Included some links and reviews in there for you. Sorry I don’t have bus info. I was thinking of taking a bunch of bus trips and blogging on the “bus experience” and time from here to there this Spring/Summer. But I’ll likely be traveling to and fron Downtown Seattle from the Eastside and maybe from various Seattle neighborhoods to Downtown and the U and not “from Greenwood to Capitol Hill”. Maybe someone else out there has taken that trip and will comment.
If not, after you have done it yourself, can you come back and post it here for the benefit of others? That would be great.
wow, this place is great. I just spent an entire hour reading all this.
I am f, 25 yo, have lived with my family in south florida for the last 16 years.
I’ve decided that its time for me to strike out on my own and seattle draws me, even though I have never been.
I have a BS in International Business and a BA in Marketing. I have spent the better part of the last 10 years in the marine industry, but would like to move over to more of an animal type industry(zoos, aquariums etc.)
Im a photographer and graphic designer also.
I am thinking of coming out to Seattle sometime in May or June to check out the area, can you recommend any places to visit in particular?
I am more into the culture, art and music scene (which is pretty horrible where I am) and not so much the drinking scene (which is 98% of what florida is). I’m very extroverted and love being outdoors.
What would you say are the main differences weather wise between seattle and portland?
Thanks for taking the time to read this, and sorry if it doesn’t make much sense, I just don’t know where to start.
Forgot to specify that I have been self employed and I am used to working in start up and small companies
🙂
What kind of music, Erika?
Hi – I’m living in the midwest and plan to relocate to the Seattle area this summer. I have been offered a job in the Issaquah area east of Bellevue. I would like to live in an area where I can walk to the grocery store and dog parks. I was thinking Mercer Island might be an option. That way, I could be a little less suburban than Bellevue, but not quite the commute from Seattle. What do you locals think? Also, if you agree Mercer Island might be an option for me, do you know any specifics about rentals on the island?
Is it true about the lack of good Mexican food? what a bummer. I currently live and teach in an area with a growing hispanic population. We have some great little restaurants around here.
Hi Karen,
regarding comment #115, Greenwood is an up and coming neighborhood. Ballard, which abuts Greenwood to the south, is a very hot neighborhood right now. Lots of new condos, restaurants, and nightlife. Since prices are higher there, folks are discovering Greenwood. Greenwood is mostly residential with all the basics thrown in: Libraries, grocery stores, hole-in-the-wall dive bars, great restaurants, public and private schools, and so forth. I know people who live there (homeowners and renters) and they are all very happy with their neighborhood.
The city has poured millions of dollars into the bus system. The routes you’re curious about do exist and you can find them here.
http://transit.metrokc.gov/
Hi Jessica,
Well, I’ve lived here almost all my life and I don’t see a problem with getting good Mexican food around here. We have plenty of Taco Time restaurants.
Just kidding.
In the last decade, Seattle and Snohomish County (the neighboring county to the North of Seattle) has seen a large number of Hispanic immigrants settle here in the Northwest. Subsequently we have also seen a large number of awesome, family run Mexican food restaurants open, especially in Snohomish County, that serve wonderful Mexican food.
Mercer Island is not as “walk around” as you might think….unless you actually live right in the downtown retail core. Not everyone wants to do that. Mercer Island is known as a place full of old and new money families. There is an attitude that goes along with money and it lives on the Island. I know people who experience mild anxiety attacks if the “have to” leave the island for anything. 🙂
Also, Mercer Island is probably one of the most expensive places to live in Seattle.
Issaquah is a popular, growing community just east of Seattle/MI following Interstate 90.
One of my best friends lives in Sammamish which is right next to Issaquah. I can ask him to jump on here and comment on where to look for a place to rent with the ammenities you describe:
Walk to a dog park,
Walk to shopping.
We have many Mexican restaurants! I live in West Seattle and we have plenty of options. Bellevue has a great Mexican restuarant on Main Street in the old part of town–it’s authentic and delish! I’m not sure about Mercer Island restaurants or rentals.
Hi… Jillayne’s Friend here…
Issaquah is actually several communities… There is a real “downtown” Issaquah that has a theatre, butcher shop and a host of quaint little restaurants… and still has a real “Main St.” feel to it.
I live just north of downtown in the city of Sammamish (also known as “The Plateau”). Sammamish is actually an old Indian word that means “White Person Driving SUV While Drinking Latte”… Dotted with ever more MPD (Master Planned Developments) of overpriced cookie-cutter homes… but also woven in with great old neighborhoods and beautiful parks (we live next to Beaver Lake Park, a very special place!). Sammamish also has terrific schools a wonderful civic presence. We are a relatively “new” city since we split from Issaquah a few years back… so there is a lot of talk (and consensus-building!) about what we want our city to be and how we want it to grow (hint: slowly).
Traffic is a huge concern over here… it seems like just as soon as one road-widening project ends, another starts, fouling up traffic for ANOTHER year. But a lot of us (including myself) work in high-tech, so we get to telecommute too… But a car is not even really optional in this area, its mandatory if you want to get around anywhere beyond your immediate cul-de-sac.
There are also communities to the south of Issaquah, such as Maple Valley, Renton and Auburn that are much more affordable, as long as you don’t mind the drive.
The parks here are quite dog friendly for the most part. We have leash laws, but I even saw our Mayor out walking her dogs off-leash in the park here a few weeks ago.
And even out here, you are only a 25-minute drive from downtown Seattle… where you have the best nightlife, music scene and culture that I have ever experienced. We even have our own Women’s Rollerderby team (http://www.ratcityrollergirls.com), with whom I am honored to be associated with (http://www.blauphotography.com).
Come on out, have a latte, watch a bald eagle circle overhead as the sound of little league baseball bats crack on a sunday morning.
Frank,
Thanks for stopping by… Your local knowledge is definitely appreciated!
Hi All, We are moving to the Seattle area from Michigan. My husband is already there with a great job. My concern is that our 12 year old daughter has been very sheltered and raised in a small village in a small school. I was wondering if anyone knows of an area like this? Maybe Port orchard? I am looking for an excellent Middle school district. I am very paranoid to move her out there. I lived in the Bremerton area in the early 90’s and it was awful. What about Bainbridge Island? Anything affordable there? We are just down home folk that are not rich. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Where is your husband working? Is Port Orchard practical for his commute to work?
Ardell,
I like new age, pop, punk.
pretty much open to anything except rap.
But I really enjoy indie bands. One of my faves right now is called Band Marino- you can find them on myspace and youtube if your interested.
I’m trying to plan a trip up there in the next few months to check out the areas. Can you guys recommend a good time to come up? maybe when there is a festival or when the weather is a good representative of the average weather?
Erika: there will be tons of great bands (local and national!) at Bumbershoot. There are tons of other festivals, but that is the one that gets the most local attention!
Angel: I’m sure many of us would be happy to help you out some more… Ardell’s question about a practical commute is obviously a great first question in order to start narrowing down the search.
Hi All!
Thanks Jillayne for your helpful comments and the link! Even though I’ll have a car out there, it sounds like utilizing the bus line might be the better way to get around the downtown sector. I am eagerly anticipating my move date, which is slightly more than a month away. In regards to Ballard, have any of you ever dropped by the Q Café? Any free time I can salvage outside of work and grad school will hopefully be spent volunteering at this nonprofit eatery.
Sounds like Bumbershoot is analogous to Lollapalooza, Chicago’s summer concert staple. I’ll have to check it out.
Hi Karen,
I think the Q is in West Seattle. Is this it?
http://www.qcafe.org/
Different neighborhood, south of the dowtown Seattle business core and over a bridge. Might want to consider driving there as I’m not sure about bus routes to and from W Seattle to Greenwood.
Where will you be attending grad school?
Hey!
If you’re from Chicago… think of Capitol Hill here as Belmont… ie: where the cool things are. 🙂
Frank
He is working around the Seattle area but being in the building business this will constantly change. He has no preference. I on the other hand will not have a car out there so will need to use public transpo to work. At this point I am more concerned about my daughter having ” culture shock”. I moved my older kids out there( Bremerton area) 15 years ago and it did not go well.
Hi!
I’m attending graduate school at Seattle University so I’ll be in the heart of Capitol Hill, which will be great. I’m hoping to take a bus there, but it depends on where my job will be located. I definitely am planning on driving to the Q though, it sounds like that is my best bet. Is the Q Café located in a somewhat safe portion of the city?
Hi Karen,
West Seattle is considered relatively safe. The best person to ask is Rhonda: that’s her stomping ground. I will e her so she knows to come here and answer your question.
You could probably bus it, everywhere you’re going but be prepared for transfering buses in and around downtown.
Seattle U has a very good reputation. I am a grad student at Antioch which is located right in downtown, in the Belltown neighborhood.
Angel H,
I live in Edmonds, which is located in Snohomish County, one county north of King County and Seattle.
We have an EXCELLENT public school district, however, this is not a small town. We are suburban. In saying this I must also promote Madrona K-8 Middle School. We only have about 200 7th and 8th graders which is small by comparison to the other middle schools in the same district. This is a very close knit group of families that work hard to keep the kids on track. Madrona K-8 has the HIGHEST state test scores of all of the Edmonds School District schools.
The other nice thing about living in south Snohomish County is that it is at the vortext of two major highways: Interstate 5 and Interstate 405.
I-5 leads to Seattle
I-405 leads to Bellevue.
South Snoho County is where these two highways meet, so if your husband is going any of these directions, he will be able to hit either of these two highways. Also, there is a lot of residential new construction happening way NORTH of Seattle/Edmonds, going NORTH on I-5.
You will find more rural communities way north of Everett, such as Arlington/Smokey Point. However, if your husband has to work in Seattle/Bellevue, this is a VERY LONG commute.
If you decide to live in South Sno/Edmonds/Lynnwood, Mountlake Terrace get your kids into Madrona Middle School, and avoid College Place Middle.
http://www.edmonds.wednet.edu/
Hi Karen,
I live in West Seattle and feel it’s pretty safe overall. I love all the restaurants and the sense of community this fairly large neighborhood has. It has a small town within a big city feel to it–almost but not quite an island thanks to the bridge.
I’ve lived in the North Admiral and Alki neighborhoods and enjoy them both. My son goes to Explorer West Middle School http://www.explorerwest.org, which is in White Center.
Jillayne mentioned you had questions regarding the safety of West Seattle. Considering it’s part of a “big city”, I do feel pretty safe. Because we’re a beach community, we do have increased traffic and small crimes increase with nicer weather.
I recommend that you check out http://www.westseattleblog.com. They have a section dedicated to crime. You can also visit http://www.westseattleherald.com and click on the police blotter.
The SW Precint of the Seattle Police Dept. also has crime info: http://www.cityofseattle.net/police/Precincts/Southwest/default.htm
Jillayne, Thanks for the info. Where do I go to look for rentals in the Edmonds area? starfyre47@charter.net
Angel, I gave a few rental links in comment 19 that should work for you…
cct (#37) posted a note back in January about moving from Atlanta. I’m curious to know how they are acclimating. Is there a way to get in touch? My husband and I find ourselves in a very similar situation and want to know how things shook out. We are looking for a more open environment, a sense of community, good jobs and a happier life. I guess we just feel Atlanta is tapped out for us. There is not as much culture here as the Atlanta CVB would lead one to believe.
Also, is it even possible to find a decent place in/near Seattle for around $300k? Are there things to do that don’t require valet, huge cover charges, etc?
Define “place”. Single Family home is 98% “out” for $300,000 or less.
Go to any Home Search Site, the one here in RCG or any of the others and put in Seattle, single family (residential vs. condo) and max $300,000 and see what pops up.
We did just help a client find a small single family with three bedrooms on a decent lot for $365,000ish off Lake City Way in Seattle between 120th and 130th. Quiet Street not NEAR Lake City Way. But it took five to six months to find one and get one.
Brooke,
Waiting for Dustin on your Atlanta people question. I think one of us could email them and ask. Not sure. Dustin’s call.
Brooke, It wouldn’t be hard to try to email the person from comment #37, but I feel very awkward about doing that. My gut tells me that despite adding their email to leave a comment, users don’t expect the website owners to actually contact them via that email. Some site have explicit messaging to that effect and so I view it as an unwritten rule.
Am I being too cautious in this case? I’ve never made contact via email with a user unless they explicitly request it…
There is a weird San Diego – Seattle connection. Having lived in both places, I honestly think they’re very, very similar as far as the people are concerned. If you’re a big Hillcrest person, move to Capitol Hill or Fremont. Are you from Bellevue or Queen Anne? La Jolla’s probably for you if you can afford it. Gaslamp people probably belong in Belltown, Ballard people in Mission Beach, U-District/Wallingford people in OB.
Hi Dustin, that’s definitely your call. I would not want my email shared w/ anyone w/o my permission, but wouldn’t mind someone who managed a site that I posted on contacting me and giving me another user’s info (especially if it was a site designed to help folks exchange ideas). At that point it would be to my discretion to reach out to the other user. If you feel it appropriate, feel free to pass along my info to them. I understand either way.
Thanks for respecting everyone’s privacy!
Ardell, thanks for the insight. I have found some places, but don’t think they are actually in Seattle. I really don’t have a feel for what communities are easy to get in and out of the city.
For a 3br, 2ba single family house in a decent area in or w/in 20-30min of the city, can you give me a range of what’s reasonable to expect, or do you need more info? Thanks!
Change that to 3 br 1 ba and crank it up from $300,000 to $375,000 to $400,000 and you would have a doable equation for single family. Newer townhome in city also wants to be $400,000 give or take.
You can do that for $350,000 in Shoreline or Kenmore and have a good sized yard, small house. I’m not as familiar with points south, but have seem some really nice townhomes in that price range there.
Many first price tier homes will be older homes built when one bath was the norm. Some will have added a 3/4 bath somewhere (shower no tub bath) but I wouldn’t count on the second bath if you are sticking to single family.
Personally I’d be for renting first until you figure out the area better and know where you are going to be working, etc… Would you have jobs here when you arrive?
Thank you so much Rhonda and Jillayne for your insight; I am excited to get settled in Seattle in June :=)
Congrats, Karen. Where in Seattle did you decide to settle?
I found a great roommate and she owns a townhome in the Greenwood neighborhood, not far from Carkeek Park. I can’t wait to get out there, it’s going to be such a big change from the flatlands of Chicagoland!
Hi all, We found a rental we can afford on Bainbridge island. The house is shabby but we will fix it up. I have only been there a few time about 15 years ago so I know next to nothing about it. I wanted to live on BI because of the school dostrict but now that we will be moving there I am wondering if my middle school gade daughter will have a hard time because we are not rich and are kind of hippie-ish down home folk. We are in our 40’s and try to get her the best of everything but we drive crappy-looking cars ( paid for) and have no bills other than rent and utilities. Does anyone here hail from BI and can you tell me anyting at all about it? I am nervous about the move. Thanks.
Angel, None of the “regulars” on RCG are from BI as far as I can tell, but I would love to hear how your experience goes of moving there. Please stop by after you’ve settled to let us know how it is going!
Hi Angel,
I will email you directly.
Thanks Jillayne and Dustin. I appreciate the info.
Can I call BS on the “Seattle Freeze”? This concept was invented by East Coasties who assume that the only reason to be friendly is because you like someone. In the Northwest, well, being friendly is just the right thing to do. You are supposed to be friendly to everyone – not just your friends. Easterners for some reason consider this to be “fake” friendliness, as if it is somehow deceptive. It’s just common courtesy.
People in Seattle are def. into doing their own thing – and they’ll assume that you’re doing your own thing too. If you are out simply to meet people – and not doing something that you’d pretty much enjoy doing solo – that is a ‘red flag’ to Seattlites. That much is true. But if you are out living your own life, doing things you personally enjoy, you’ll find us very welcoming.
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My husband and I hope to move from Orlando, FL (a cultural wasteland beyond Mickey Mouse!) to Seattle at the end of July. We’ve never actually been to Washington before, although we’re sure we’ll love it (especially the dreary days, I love dreary days!), and we don’t have jobs yet. I just received my master’s degree and I’ve been applying for government and nonprofit jobs, but even if I don’t get a job before the end of summer, we think we might just take the plunge and move to the area.
First, do you think it’s possible for me to get an apartment by August starting this late in the game? Normally I plan out further in advance, but I’ve been hesitant to actually make specific plans because I’ve been applying to jobs around the country. Our current lease in Florida ends July 31.
Second, I’ve been trying to decide where it might be best to rent an apartment. I’m wondering what you think of Kent or Des Moines? Do a lot of people who work in Seattle live that far out? I like the concept of moving there because the apartment prices seem cheaper and it’s also between Tacoma and Seattle, which would allow me to be more flexible in my job hunt. MapQuest says it’s only about 25 minutes to Tacoma or Seattle from those cities; is that accurate?
Thanks for any insight you can provide. As I said, we’ve never even visited or know anyone there, but we can’t wait to make our way to the culture and nature that Seattle has to offer.
Hi KatherineM,
I recommend a very short term, month-to-month lease or possibly staying at one of the Residence Inn hotels for a month or two until you’re set with job locations.
Yes, folks commute to Sea from Kent and Des Moines.
Mapquest is accurate in time estimations….as long as you’re clocking the time when there are no traffic backups.
Alot of families try to settle in to a place in the summer, before school starts, so they can jump into their chosen school district before Labor Day. Afterwards, you may see some rental incentives offered in the fall, when people are less likely to move (Nov/Dec).
I think it might even rain more in Orlando than Seattle.
🙂
I owned a condo in Des Moines…wish I still had it! I loved living there. Down by the water, it still has a “small town” feel. You can walk anywhere (groceries, restaurants, parks, etc.). When I lived in Des Moines, I felt like I was in the”center of the world”. You can easily get to Seattle, Tacoma, South Center (Tukwila) and you have many different routes available to you.
My office is on the East Hill of Kent. And I lived a few years in Kent as a tot. I prefer Des Moines…but I love being near the water. Kent was recently written as one of the top places to live in the Seattle area… my vote would have been for Des Moines over Kent. Kent has a new “down town center” that is pretty nice. http://www.raincityguide.com/2007/04/08/seatte-metropolitan-magazines-best-places-to-live/
It’s all your personal preference, of course. 🙂
Regarding the mapquest time…that totally depends on the time of day that you’re making the commute.
Are you kidding? Kent is a hole. If you are looking at moving to Kent or Des Moines, you might as well move to any random crappy suburb – forget moving to “Seattle”.
If the money is really an issue I’d recommend getting a job first. If money is still an issue, there is always the north end of Ballard, Northgate, Lake City areas where you can get a 2br
I’m so excited that I stumbled upon this great blog. My boyfriend and I are in our late 20s living in Cleveland, OH and we’re itchin’ to move to Seattle because if we don’t do it now, we never will. He’s a chef and I’m in marketing (previous jobs have been at an ad agency and Cleveland Magazine). I’m looking to move into the non-profit sector in a marketing/communications role. Couple questions…
Do employers even look at out-of-town resumes? Moving across the country without a job freaks me out. I don’t want to spend time sending out resumes if I won’t even be considered.
What’s the non-profit industry like? Is there opportunity? What’s a good job board/headhunter to reference? I’ve emailed The Creative Group….
Thanks for your help.
Great site and information. I am looking at moving to Seattle in the fall. Currently reside in Austin, TX, great mexican food and live music. Heard Seattle has the music seen down but not so much for the mex food. Oh well, change is always good. So where would be a good place to live being that I live in Downtown austin. A place that is full of many restaraunts, bars, parks, trails and lakes. I enjoy running and biking along the lake and walking to the local bar to have drinks with friends. Any places in Seattle like this?
Hi Danny,
Here are the names of some Seattle neighborhoods that come to mind:
Ballard, University District, Capital Hill, Belltown
Up on the right-hand side of the page, Dustin has added some neighborhood blog links for you.
I recommend thinking about where you want to work, and how long of a commute you’ll tolerate.
Is Austin the city with the river channels running through it?
West Seattle has more Mexican food than you can shake a stick at! I like The Misson on California, Cactus on Alki…our family favorite, Guadalajara is going to be torn down…there’s a different Guadalajara restaurant off of the Faunteroy Ferry doc that’s suppose to be good…I haven’t tried it yet. There’s another one on California next to Husky’s Deli…and plenty a bit further south in White Center that would be more authentic. I’m biased on West Seattle… 😉
You can bike and run along the Puget Sound…no lakes….tons of parks.
Cleveland,
There are a ton of non-profits in the Seattle area (including the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation!), but I honestly don’t know what type of jobs they offer. I’d recommend checking out craigslist for job opportunities and call a few different local organizations up!
Cleveland,
My boyfriend and I were in the SAME EXACT situation back in April. (Check out blog #112.) We looked up all the companies that were headquartered in Seattle and just started applying. We also looked through craigslist, monster.com, careerbuilder.com, etc. We were able to get interviews by early May.
Depending on your industry, 3rd party recruiters can also be helpful throughout your job search.
We now have our jobs and will be moving out to Seattle next week!
Hang in there! It can be frustrating at times, but don’t give up! You’re right! If we don’t do it now, we never will!!!
Another good source for almost everything is http://www.nwsource.com.
Best of luck!!!
Mariam,
My husband and I are in a similar situation to yours in April. We live in Colorado and have been wanting to move to Seattle for the past year. We’ve even gone on an exploratory visit, however, we’re still unsure of where to live. Our goal is to move there by September ’07.
Can you please tell me which location you finally decided on and what influenced your decision? Also, when you applied for jobs in Seattle from Washington D.C, did you use a local address? If not, what job search tactics did you use to have your resumes not filtered out by recruiters on the basis of an out-of-state address? I’ve applied to a couple of jobs through job agencies and almost all of them have asked me to contact them once I have moved there.
Any suggestions you can provide will be greatly appreciated. If you would rather email me directly, please feel free to email me at this address: tpelden@hotmail.com. Thank you and congratulations on your brave move and your new jobs!
Serene,
Congratulations on the first step – MAKING THE DECISION!!!
I completely understand the “finding a job” challenges involved. Depending on your background and their needs, some companies are willing to relocate you. In our case, we talked to several companies….went through the phone interview process….and told them we would fly out on our own for the interviews and would not require any relocation assistance. Once you have several companies lined up, then you can have back-to-back interviews on your trip out there. Luckily, one of our jobs is helping with relocation – but we would move out there regardless.
We will have temporary housing until we can find an apartment to rent. After a year, if all goes well, we will be looking into purchasing something. The areas I am looking at for renting are: Lower Queen Anne, Belltown, and maybe even Capitol Hill. I want to be close to downtown for the first year, until I get a better idea of the areas.
I also recommend finding a recruiter/headhunter. They can explain everything to the companies, so that your resume doesn’t go through the filter process. Most online applications seem to ask: “Are you willing to relocate on your own?” or something to that extent….so hopefully, it won’t be a problem.
I hope I answered most of your questions. Please feel free to ask me anything else on your mind! I will post all of my experiences during this process for the benefit of others.
Good Luck!
🙂
Mariam,
Thanks for your post – it was very inspiring to say the least! I had some more questions but your chat with Serene oddly enough answered them. Congrats to you and your man. How exciting – 1 week away, yikes! What an awesome feeling. I’ll post more questions if I think of anything…damn, I’m REALLY excited now.
What a great site. My name is Akil, I’m 22 years old and I live in Des Moines, IA. I have been planning on moving to Seattle for about 3 months now and I have decided to go in Jan. of 2008. The only issue is that I do not know where would be the best place to live. Des Moines, IA is a small city and I have lived here my whole life. I often feel as if am trapped by its size and its lack of culture, so I feel that moving here is going to give me the chance to really discover myself. I have received my AA from the community college here in Iowa so I am not really too worried about finding a job. I will more or less do anything. I am more concerned with finding affordable housing for a single male, and finding an area for a relaxed community feel to it, but that is still urban.
I am big into coffee shops, relaxed atmospheres (indoor or outdoors), jazz, and hip-hop. Kind of a free spirit. Any advice on a location would be very helpful. And oh yeah, I just love the rain!
Cleveland,
YOU SHOULD BE EXCITED!!!
It’s going to be great! We are all going to have a great time in a new city with new things to see and do….
Think of it this way….we are living what everyone else is dreaming!
🙂
Let me know if I can be of ANY help!
I first wanted to thank Jillayne, Rhonda, and MistaB for their answers to my questions about where to live in post 158. Thanks so much for taking the time to offer your great advice!
I also wanted to say hi to CLEVELAND. You and I seem to be in exactly the same place. My husband and I are in our 20s, and our plan is to move to Seattle b/c if we don’t now, we may never get the chance again. (My husband currently works as a restaurant manager and I’m looking for jobs in the nonprofit/government field!)
I wanted to let you know that I sent a resume to a nonprofit and have a phone interview set up with them next week, so it is possible for an organization to look at you if you don’t live in the area yet. I did write in my cover letter that I was planning on moving to the area this summer, so they wouldn’t worry about me asking about moving reimbursement. Also, check out this website: http://www.bridgewaycareer.com/seattle-nonprofits.htm. It has a huge list of Seattle nonprofits. It may be helpful to go to their individual websites to find out if they’re looking to hire. Of course, you probably already know, but http://www.idealist.org is the best website to find nonprofit careers.
KatherineM
Katherine M and Mariam – awesome. You guys rock. I’ll definitely check out the bridgeway site and yup, I am familiar with idealist. How positively refreshing to know that companies do entertain resumes from out of towners. I am so ready for something new, ya know? My one big thing was moving to NYC for college from Ohio and I don’t want that to be the only cool place I’ve ever experienced. Cleveland is great, but I’m antsy for some more of that awesome newness and experience elsewhere! Thanks again guys.
Hi Cleveland,
I’m making the move to Seattle next week! As a single 25-year-old, it’s been my dream for a while now, and I’m finally taking the risk. You’re in the prime of your life in your 20s, and you shouldn’t let anything stop you; it’s the time to be intrepid!
I had a bit of trouble, like many people do, getting interviews set up with my Chicago address. But once I found a roommate and actually had a Seattle address (even though I have not moved yet) I was contacted by companies and have a few interviews set up for when I arrive there. As a journalist/graphic designer/marketing specialist, I’m interviewing with The Creative Group and I know they have several positions available in the Pacific Northwest. Many of the aforementioned sites are great tools as well. Good luck to you all who are considering moving from distant cities. Carpé Diem!
Hi Mariam,
Thank you so very much for your reply. I truly appreciate your insightful suggestions.
It sounds like there are quite a few people sailing in the same boat as my hubby and I. We’re also in our mid to late 20’s – he’s looking for a government job and I’m looking into non-profit organizations and we’re looking foward to living in a multi-cultural city. Knowing that there are other people sharing the same experiences as we are makes us feel braver.
Congratulations to all the new northwesterners!
Serene
Hey, i love the list. I’m writing a story about Seattle and need some geography help, mostly in regards to neighborhoods where large houses (small estates) might be as well as where large houses with acgage might be (outskits…surburbs…)
I also need to get a feel for the downtown area, especially the government center and the business district where the highrises are…
AND (last one I promise) if there was a big concert in November where would it be?
Does anyone have any ideas where i can find this kind of stuff out? Thanks!
All my life I daydreamed about living somewhere else other than Washington State. I am from Tacoma but frequently visited Seattle. I am currently living in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. Chapel Hill is a nice place but it is nothing like Seattle/Tacoma! I am saving money to move back to my rainy home state. Seattle as an easy laid back pace that I miss! The ethic food in North Carolina is terrible, the humidty will kill you (if the insects and reptiles don’t). True enough the folks are friendly here but I miss the diversity of having friends from all walks of life, race, and religion. Smooth jazz in unheard of is this area and the Sunday activity is church and then going to get ice cream. Also, I learned living in North Carolina either you are a University of North Carolina fan (Tar Heels), Duke University fan (Blue Devils), or North Carolina State University fan (Wolfpack) there is no other variation. Being from a fair weather sport state I found that quite odd. In short, living in Washington State is the best kept secret rain and all!!!
Hi Pamela – My hubby and I are taking a major step (for us) and moving to Seattle in September for a number of reasons. See posts 102 and 168. Quite a few of our friends try to deter us by saying “but it rains every day in Seattle!” Of course most of them have never BEEN there. My hubby and I love the rain so it’s the perfect place for us.
Thanks for the encouraging and inspirational post.
S.
hi everybody.
i too wanna live in seattle. i want to go asap but i think im leaning toward moving there in couple of years. I want to be a teacher and im getting my degree next May, but I thought that it would be better to get a couple years experience/expertise in my field and get my feet wet in this small town area in Virginia I stay in before I make the leap. I want to know how are the teaching jobs in the Seattle public schools system?
I thought it would be better to live in Seattle but work in a suburb but I would assume that working in the city would command a higher salary. Does anyone know what the demand is for teachers overall, and is there a big need for male minority teachers. Any word on diverse middle class neighborhoods would help too. thank you in advance and god bless.
Chris – I can put you in touch with someone who has been applying to work full time in the Seattle schools for the last year – drop me a line at galen at shackprices. My friend has tons of tips that I’m sure would help.
Diverse middle class neighborhoods are sort of the same as the up-and-coming neighborhoods. My initial bets are on: Columbia City and Central Area.
Hello,
I visited Seattle in 2005 and I loved it. It may sound crazy but honestly I even loved the weather there considering I’ve lived in Buffalo, New York for eleven years. Can anyone give me some idea about the job market there? What about the neighbors? What about people, are they nice? Once I can find a company to hire me, I am definitely moving to Seattle. I am in a very similar situation as #167 and #112. Any advice is appreciate. kitnam@hotmail.com
Hello,
Just read this, is it true?
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/pacificnw/2005/0213/cover.html
It’s long and it takes up a lot of space. Please click the link to read it. Thanks,
Kit,
I don’t think there is an easy answer to your questions… The job market is really healthy in some areas and not-so hot in others.
In terms of the article (“Seattle Nice” vs.”Seattle Freeze”), my take is that it is way too oversimplified. You’ll find all kinds of people in Seattle and the reaction you’ll receive will really depend on the people you choose to associate with. Does that help?
BTW, my experience has been that the more specific the question you can ask, the more likely you’ll get a quick response out of the RCG community! 🙂
For anyone trying to get info on neighborhoods and such in the area you are free to order a relocation packet from us that the Chamber of Commerce puts out. The info is fantastic and covers most of the cities in King County as well as local neighborhoods in Seattle. We also provide a large scale map of the area so you can get acclimated to where all the cities sit in relationship to each other. Use this link: http://teamreba.com/relocation_request.htm
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Feel free to order a relocation packet from us that has a fantastic guide from the local Chamber of Commerce. It has all kinds of good information on King County and we also provide a large scale map that helps provide perspective on the relation of each city to each other. The cities are mostly all King County but there are even breakdowns to Seattle neighborhoods. You can find the link here: http://teamreba.com/relocation_request.htm
For 102, 168 and 179,
Yes, it rains a lot in Seattle/Tacoma but not all of the time and I imagine that the cloudy rainy weather can be depressing to some. Like any other place you need to keep busy to ward off depression. I refer to the rain as liquid sunshine. But because of all of the rain Washington State is beautiful and green. Those of us that are from this area just know that it will probably rain and just carry our rain coat and/or umberella. Native Pacific Northwestern folks just take advantage when the weather is nice.
Washington State has beautiful gardens and parks. A day trip to Mount Rainer is always nice. The seafood is unbelievable and the live music scene is out of this world. I am especially fond of the smooth jazz. Downtown Seattle is free entertainment (You never know what you will see “smile”). Tacoma is about 30 minutes south of Seattle and it is a very interesting city as well and the cost of living is lower than Seattle. When I think of the Pacific Northwest these words come to mind “Very laid back” and if you like wearing jeans this is the place for you. Seattle is about 3 hours away from Canada (British Columbia) you can either drive or take a ferry there. While riding on the ferry it is not uncommon to see orca whales (beautiful).
As you can tell I am extremely home sick for the Pacific Northwest and as soon as possible I am heading back with rain coat and umberella in tow.
Hi Everyone!
We are here! My boyfriend and I came out here yesterday to begin our new adventure.
I read some posts asking about the people, neighborhoods, weather, etc….I believe it is all very subjective and no matter where you go, you will always have both positive and negative things. You have to figure out what it is YOU are looking for, then focus on the positives. For example, I have always wanted to be on the West Coast and my boyfriend has always wanted to be near the mountains, so Seattle seemed to be a good choice. We considered the “fewer” sunny days and decided it was not a deal-breaker for us.
Is EVERYONE nice? Well, here’s a good story:
We were waiting to turn left at a traffic light that did not have a dedicated left turn signal. The lady behind us starts honking and waiving her hands frantically in the air, even though there is a “yield on green” sign for us. She pulls around us and storms off very angrily. Ten seconds later, the light turns red before we have a chance to turn. We look over and the guy in the car next to us waves and says hello. We smile and say hello back. At the end of the day, we will remember the guy who said hello!
🙂
I will keep adding posts as we continue our adventure….
Mariam (and others!),
I love the moving stories! Ever since Karen started publishing her moving stories, I’ve had multiple people email me asking if they can share their moving stories on RCG. I love the idea of providing a place to welcome new people and hear their stories… and I’m wondering if there is a better way to organize these.
Some options that come to my mind include:
I’ll probably continue down the first path unless someone comes up with an even better idea! 🙂
“Those of us that are from this area just know that it will probably rain and just carry our rain coat and/or umberella”
An umbrella is sure fire way to spot a non-native…
Hello Jillayne,
Yes, it has the Colorado River running through it. As for work, I will be relocating with my current employer. Purpose of the move it to be closer to the West Territory that I will be working. During the week, time will be spent traveling to the airport and the surrounding states. So being close to the airport might be of some importance but not a requirement.
I just wanted to say that I love “10 Things you should know before moving to Seattle” and I posted questions/comments on the site (#158 and #173) and received great responses. I wanted to let everyone know that I started my own blog about my moving experiences if anyone is interested in reading. http://beautifulrainydaysahead.blogspot.com
Hello all, We are considering moving to Seattle, well my fiance, myself and our 2 children. We are originally from Houston, TX, but we have been in Las Vegas for almost a year now. My fiance is really intrested in moving to Seattle, I on the other hand have been a little nervous about the RAIN. The tempeture sounds very inviting though. Then there is the whole issue of finding a rental and a job. So does anyone have any advice for me? All is aprieciated!!!! Thanks
Fabulous Blog, Katherine! Yes! Go be a tourist before you leave. Great message. I traveled all the way back to Florida to see “Big Tree Park” after I moved 3,000 miles away. Clearly something I should have done before I left town.
Maybe will start a new group of blogs in the sidebar for people moving to Seattle. I know I’m putting yours and “Just Jenn” in my sidebar.
Keep us posted. I LOVE it!!!
I have a tip on finding rental housing that pretty much holds true no matter where you are in the Country.
Rentals are rarely in a centralized place and also operate on a Monday through Friday operation. Unlike houses for sale, it is not likely you will find a person who will drive you to all the rentals available or even know them all. So the consumer must do most of the legwork.
Some rentals can be found on the mls search sites, but clearly only a small fraction of the properties for rent appear there.
So instead of using the information on rentals to find a property, use that info to find people who deal on a regular basis with rental properties. Don’t pass by a rental ad because you don’t like the particulars of the property such as # of bedrooms. Write down the name and phone number of the property management company if it is the right location.
Often good rentals go quickly and it is more important to have a list of all of the property management companies in the area, than to look at the ads for “the right rental property”.
We’re moving our 2 kids (4 and under) very quickly to Seattle from Venice, CA. My husband will be working in Renton and I will eventually probably work in downtown Seattle. My parents live in Tacoma/Federal Way. We’re looking for a cool, up-and-coming, reasonably affordable neighborhood to rent initially, with an eye for buying in a year or so. We like walking neighborhoods, character (read: not just strip malls, chain stores and new developments), organic/natural foods, yoga, and the wildnerness. Also, a good public elementary school. To give you an idea of the ‘hoods we like, we have lived in Park Slope, Brooklyn, the Mission in San Francisco, and now Venice/Santa Monica in LA. Any ideas on areas we should suss out? Some have said Burien is the new Ballard and Renton is the new Issaquah? Thoughts?
I would not say that last statement is correct in general. I suggest you establish some guidelines for the schools you are looking for before moving from there to which house or neighborhood. Most people with children start at school of choice or schools of choice or some basic minimum school parameter and then define their search areas accordingly.
I grew up in Renton and I can tell you it’s changed quite a bit. I use to belong to the Greater Renton Chamber of Commerce and volunteered on the Community Development Committee…I’ll always remember the tour we would do bussing in agents from around Renton…they would be stunned at all that was going on there.
“Old Burien” is cool and you might consider checking out Des Moines (I lived in a condo over the water there for 3 years–you can walk to everything). Both towns offer (more affordable) waterfront living/lifestyle.
Thanks for the info Rhonda. What is your take on how Renton has changed? Is it for the better? I hear they are restoring the downtown area. And might you know anything on the public schools in Renton and/or Burien?
Renton has changed for the better IMHO…I moved from Renton in the mid80’s. They have done a rezoning of the downtown area and now have a public market and a lot of nice restaurants. I lived in “the Highlands” which borders Issaquah (we were off of Coal Creek Parkway).
I’m not familiar with the public schools in Renton or Burien. My son has been going to a school in West Seattle. Here’s a link to a school guide from the Seattle Times: http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/schoolguide/
A couple of other school ranking sites
http://www.greatschools.org/
http://www.schooldigger.com/
However note that when talking about within the City of Seattle, there was a major change in 2009 that would cause historical performance not not be a reliable factor as to future performance.
http://raincityguide.com/2009/11/19/seattle-schools-admit-by-address/
Not sure if and when that “admit by address” went into effect and whether there are any test results that truly reflect that change. I doubt it as it likely only applied to new incoming students and will take years to shake out as to impact on test results.
Renton used to be pretty much of a
manufacturing milltown when Boeing
was the only game in town. It’s come
a long way due to some really good
planning that’s been well implimented.
This Seattle native is quite impressed
every trip to McLendons and/or Ikea.
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I’m moving to Seattle from Boulder, CO, in September and have put a hold on a 1 bdrm apartment in Radford Court Apartments. The apartments are single family housing units for the UW, but the public may also rent there. The complex is nearby the Warren G. Magnuson Park. Does anyone have information on that area or has anyone heard good/bad things about Radford Court? I notice on apartmentratings.com the complex received a 28% approval rating, so I’m a bit concerned. Also, is that part of the city relatively far from decent night life, restaurants, etc.?
Unfortunately, I will not have an opportunity to visit Seattle before leasing a place. I will be in a Ph.D. degree program at UW, so Radford Court seems like a convenient complex to live initially. I’ve been told by people at the UW that the best thing to do is go around in neighborhoods and look for “for rent” signs (as others have suggested on this site), but this is not an option for me. I guess I’m looking for some reassurance that Radford Court is in an okay area and with decent buildings – since right now I have committed only a holding fee.
Thanks!
Alex, I wish I could help you but I’m just not familiar with the Radford Court Apartments. I was hoping that someone else would step up with more info, but it is quite possible that none of the regular contributors are familiar with that apartment complex. Sorry about that!
Alex,
I’ve used Apartmentratings.com, and while I’m leery of the opinions, (because they always say if someone actually voluntary gives their opinion for a survey or the like, it’s because they received poor service in some fashion) I’d also be careful if Radford got a 28% on its approval rating. I’ve check out some places that didn’t get the best ratings on AR, and they’ve seemed decent, but then again it’s hard to gauge how the landlords treat their tenants. I usually don’t consider a place unless it got 50% on AR, but that’s just my personal benchmark. I’m not familiar with Radford Court either, but I would just suggest more research or perhaps asking the complex if they have references or tenants you could talk to via phone. It never hurts to ask.
Hi All,
I am awaiting a job offer in Tukwila, WA and I am moving from Northern California(bay area). I have a few questions:
1. Can anyone recomend a good place to live Near Tukwila and also I am single so it would be nice to be in an area where other Single people are vs. families.
2. What should one expect to pay for a good apartment, my searches on Craigslist have shown it to be around 1000 a month or am I mistaken?
Thanks from the IT Guy in Cali 😉
$1000.00 a month? What is that a 2 bedroom apartment, one bath apartment? Seattle is expensive.
Glad I am on the east coast… $200.- 400.00 a month here.
Chris,
In my big fat rental book 🙂 I’m seeing Tukwila 2 bedrooms starting at $905, $820, $850. I see one ad showing 2 bedrooms at 1,018 sf to 1,068 sf, but no price on that one.
Looks like 1 bedrooms are less than $200 cheaper, so you might as well go for the bigger 2 bedroom in case you later want to “share”, after you meet people at work.
My “big fat rental book” is from March of 2007. See if you can get the newest version from for rent dot com. I picked mine up in a grocery store and it’s as big as a Sear’s Catalog 🙂
LOL,
Ok Ardell, Thanks for the update on that and this is something one would pickup at a supermarket in Seattle or the surrounding areas in tukwila? Derek, 1000.00 a month is cheap by bay area standards, I pay almost 1400 dollars for a Junior 1 bedroom(lets just call it a studio for short), 20 miles south of San Francisco and thats considered cheap here :P.
Anyway thanks guys and I appreciate the advice.
Hello – I’m from posts 102,109, and 168. My hubby and I have started to pack for Seattle!
I’m wondering if anyone can tell me about what the plans are for expanding the public transit system in Seattle. From a few visits, I know the bus system there is great. Are there any plans for a subway or a rail system to connect the different towns and neighborhoods? Thank you!
Hi Serene,
There is a light rail system being built that connects Seatac Airport to Downtown Seattle. It will run through Rainier Valley and it’s a few years away from completion. No Subway plans for Seattle, but as you pointed out the bus system is good, although it’s better the closer to the Seattle metro core.
As several have mentioned, Nice/Ice is real. Four years after moving here, being involved in the community, etc. the freeze has yet to thaw. If you’re from California, consider yourself toxic. Even Northern California. We were and were warned about it, but didn’t really believe that it would be that big a deal. Depending on your situation it can be. We settled in modestly and assimilated as quickly as possible. Learn to dread the “so where are you from?” question, or come up with a decent lie. Like the weather here, you may find the questioner’s demeanor changes rather quickly depending on your response.
A good example: my now former optometrist had no problem taking cheap shots once he learned I was from California during the course of my exam. “So you’re the reason our real estate prices are so high,” traffic so bad, etc., etc. This was not good-natured conversational ribbing. It was a harrangue. He (and certain other service providers) are still graciously willing to take the hard earned money we inject to the local economy.
Our office of educated professional is composed mostly of expatriates of one form or another all of whom have similar stories. One long timer has said it starts to get better after about 20 years… No where I’ve lived before here have I ever been referred to as “You” in opposition to “We” when our state of origin is discovered (which of course is never willingly volunteered anymore).
Depending on your situation, you may encounter a number of insular strata here. From my experience, you may witness or experience the schisms between Here/NotFromHere, New Economy/Old Economy, Haves/Have Nots, UWClub/Not UWClub. There are many others.
The irony seems to be the longer you’re here, the more you notice it. Like all things Seattle (which seems to tend toward passive aggression), its subtle, indirect, nonconfrontational and pervasive.
It is a beautiful area and a wonderful place to visit, but the hype only tells half the story. We do know a number of folks who have had a good experience as newcomers, but a common characteristic is they tend to end up in a work-centric social network of similar ex-pats and a few “local” iconoclasts. We know an equal number who after a few years just got tired of it and headed back to San Francisco, Silicon Valley, New York, L.A. and the South whence they came.
I think the key is trying to get in touch with someone in as similar a situation as you are that has been here a while and see if their experience is something that would be a good fit for you.
I was doing research for a class when I came upon your site. What a great site! I enjoyed reading the post. I have been to Seattle and I think it is a beautiful area. I think it is inspiring that so many people have the courage to move from their home to start a new life. I was sorry to read that it has been a tough adjustment for some as to meeting people. I do not think that is unique to Seattle since I have heard that same comment from friends that have moved to other parts of the country as well.
Hi Brent,
We’re glad you found us! What kind of school research were you doing that you happen to stumble upon raincityguide?
Hi Jillayne:
Thanks for the post. Actually it was a “round about way” I found this site. I am a teacher taking an instructional strategies class so I was viewing other states district procedures. Since WA has always been one of my favorite states, I researched school districts there. In doing research “real estate” popped-up so I thought I would check out housing prices versus my state. This site was actually a good diversion from the research I was doing. BTW the last time I was in Seattle for a week, it rained only one day and was sunny or partly cloudy the rest of the time.
Hi,
Just found this post from searching on google. I’m a 28 year-old female moving to Seattle from, yes, California. I’ve been there once and loved it. I’m moving there at the end of August and have been looking on craigslist to find a short term rental as I’m not ready to commit to a one year lease just yet. Can anyone recommend the neighborhood I should be looking at? It will need to be a safe area and has good access to public transportation as I do not have a car and will be job hunting.
Thanks,
bee
Hi Bee,
Ballard, Capital Hill, Greenwood, Phinney Ridge, Freemont, Greenlake, and Wallingford all come to mind. But each neighborhood has a personality. Up on the sidebar right after our pictures is a list of neighborhood blogs. Check them out! For crime stats, you’ll want to check that out with the King County police deparment. Thanks for visiting RCG.
Bee, Jillayne’s suggestions are good. If you know where you’ll be going by public transport, we could give you a better idea of where to check out. Ballard might be a little out of the way if you’re taking the bus everywhere. The bus-exclusive people I know stick to Capitol Hill, the University District and the areas in between like Montlake and Eastlake. You can see general neighborhood outlines on our site, Estately.com, if you have any questions about where those places are.
Thanks Jillayne and Galen. I’ll be job hunting once I get there so I’ll most likely be going downtown a lot. I also have some friends at UW so I’ll be visiting the area often. It’s just difficult to find a place right now since I’m not in Seattle yet. Thanks again for both your help.
You can also use Google transit to estimate the ease of getting around. Wallingford is perfect for the U-District / Downtown commute. You could even do fine with just a bike.
Wow is this a great site! Well, I’m planning on moving to Seattle in March (way off, but I’m planning now) my job is going to be in Redmond (Not Microsoft!) and at the moment, I can only afford about $625, maybe slightly higher (defanitly lower), in rent. I’d like to be near work, but from looking at the median incomes of the areas around it… yeah, not so much can I afford that. So what I wanted to know is if anyone knows of any places cheap enough for me to be able to afford, but safe enough that a single 26 year old female can live by herself with maybe a cat or two. Thanks!
One more thing- I think I’m falling in love with Bremmerton, but my only problem is the hour and a half commute. Is there a ferry or something, then PT to get me to Redmond? Or am I looking for fairies under rocks again?
Before you get too attached, look up the urban dictionary entry for Bremerton.
You can get a one bedroom off 36th and 148th across from Microsoft for about that price. Bellevue Highlands or Bellevue Manor. Totem Lake/Kingsgate, Juanita or Factoria. If you go to the office by the pool area of Bellevue Manor, there’s a kiosk where people post rentals. You shouldn’t have much trouble finding an apartment near Redmond for under $700. It will probably be built in the late 70’s, but safe, nice areas near shopping.
I don’t know anyone who commutes an hour and a half to work 🙂 Try going to forrent.com I’ve never been to the site, but I have a hardcopy version that has tons of rentals in it. Mostly rental complexes.
Don’t rule out living close to work. You probably can.
Katy
Bremerton is a great option if you work in Seattle. There is a ferry–1 hour ride to downtown Seattle. Also, everything in Bremerton will be much cheaper than in the Seattle metro area. I’m from the Penninsula and I love it out there. Many cute little towns with amazing views of the city.
As to people commuting 1-2 hours to work, it happens all the time, as anyone that lives across the narrow’s bridge will tell you. Traffic is terrible. That’s why Bremerton is such a good choice, you’re on the cheap side of the Sound, but you have a ferry to take you straight across to the city. If you work downtown, you can even leave the car at home!
Hi, everyone! I’m starting grad school at UW this September and will be living in the Northgate section of the city. What can you tell me about this area?
Thanks,
Chris
Chris,
What do you want to know about the area? Are you curious about housing? Music? Food? There’s lots of places we could go with that question and the more specific you can be, the more likely you’ll get a quick answer! 🙂
I was wondering where exactly. People call such a huge area “northgate”. It starts around 92nd and 1st, where Green Lake, Maple Leaf and Northgate come toghether, and goes out past Northgate Mall. Where is important for “walk to” things.
Thanks for writing back, guys. I’m living in an apartment complex close to Aurora Ave and right down the street from Northwest Hospital. What is there to do in terms of this area? Any good restaurants, bars, etc.?
Hi Chris,
A good resource if you haven’t found it yet is the “Seattle Weekly” a free newspaper with info on mostly metro Seattle. There you can find info on bars, music, movies, restaurants, art, politics, and so on. You can pick it up near major bus stops, libraries, groceries, etc. and for those who have not moved yet to Seattle, it can be found online at: http://www.seattleweekly.com
For a more alternative newspaper there is “The Stranger” also availble usually in a kiosk next to The Seattle Weekly or online at: http://www.thestranger.com
I hope you enjoy living in Seattle!
Hello all! I have a few more questions I haven’t managed to find answers to on the internet since I don’t really have an address there yet…
I want to know about utility bills- on average for a 1 bedroom apartment in the Seattle area, what are the electricity, gas, water, and sewer bills? Also, some places have a weird “just because you live here” tax. I don’t know exactly what it’s called, just if there’s something like that in Washington.
Also, is Comcast the only high speed internet provider there?
If there’s any other monthly utility I’m leaving out, PLEASE let me know! I’m moving from Las Vegas, I know what the bills are out here, but I’m a little fuzzy on other states. Thanks!
Katy:
Comcast does cable internet, Qwest does DSL internet. Both are fast and both have bad service.
There is no just because you live here tax.
Electricity in Washington is cheap – $20-$30 a month? You’ll obviously pay more in the winter if you have electric heat.
I’ve never had gas – dunno.
I think a lot of landlords end up paying water and sewer bills; it’s hard to split up.
Others?
Chris,
Other than Northgate Mall, I can’t think of anything up that way. It’s not a Seattle “hot spot”. Likely you’ll be hanging out more at U-Dub, and where you live is where you go home to, for the most part. It’s a convenient location, but not much of a “walk to” spot. Likely you’ll be heading a bit south to Green Lake or Greenwood/Phinney from there. You have to get down from 115th to 80th or so to get to these Seattle Neighborhoods and local restaurants like Duke’s in Green Lake and Yanni’s in Greenwood.
Thanks, Ardell! Would you say that Northgate is a safe area, in general?
I’m going to be over that way this weekend. Email me the exact address and name of complex. I’ll see what I can dig up on it. I spent a lot of time over that way, but there are a few spotty areas. If you give the me address I’ll give you some more specific insights via email.
Hi. My husband is considering taking a job in Seattle (Redmond to be exact). We currently live in the Dallas subburbs. Prior to moving to Dallas we lived in Kent, but this was before kids and houses and things. Now we have two elementary school aged children so great schools and family orientated areas are more important. What areas would you recommend based on our priorities being
1. resonable price
2. great schools
3. short commute time
Any suggestions? Thanks.
Marie, many of the Eastside districts have good schools. I’m not a school expert, but you could try out my site (Estately.com) – just type in Redmond, change “within” to 5 miles so you can see all the homes within 5 miles, and narrow down your price range. You can learn about the closest schools to each home under the nearby tab.
This is a great blog! I have a question…my husband and I are considering moving to Seattle from Oklahoma. We’ve lived in Tennessee and New Mexico, so we can pretty much adapt to any kind of weather, but we need to know if the city is dog friendly. We want to rent for the first six-12 months but we have three dogs that are of medium size (40+ lbs). Everything I read says “Pets Considered” but they only mean tiny dogs and two is excessive to them. Are we going to have to buy a house right away or does anyone know a way to find out who is dog friendly? I definitely will not lie or hide my dogs – we rescued each one from an animal shelter.
Thanks for any suggestions!
Finding a place with three dogs will be tough. I won’t go so far as to say you have to buy vs. rent, but it won’t be easy.
Ardell is right – any time there is a tight rental market, landlords shy away from potentially destructive tenants. That said, I have friends who rent with a 75 pound dog and a 45 pounder. They have found places with fenced yards, but they are away from the city center and end up settling on somewhat less desirable places.
Hello. I am a 35 year old guy from Austin,Tx. I am going to be moving to Seattle in Nov. I am very nice and polite as well, but i do like to engage with people. I was wondering…… just because such a thing as the Seattle “freeze” exists, that can’t mean everyone is like that. I can be laid back, but when a connection is made, don’t the people jump at the chance to open up and have some fun and experience life? Does this mean that the regular everyday families have social dis ease? I am a musician and an artist. I work in IT. I have my activites, but i would like to find a date and talk with women. Will i be a pariah in Seattle if i’m a deep person looking to be human?
Jules–Seattle Freeze exists but it’s not universal. Seriously, if you are a guy who knows how to ask a woman on a date, and if you are the type to go up to people on your own, you’ll do just fine. It’s those who are more reserved who have trouble with the “freeze,” perhaps because they are waiting for others to approach them.
This is a generalization of course. Your mileage may vary.
Jules, you’ll likely find that there if you are open and willing to chat with people that there will be plenty of others that will open up to you. I’ve lived in Seattle for 19 years, having come from the mid-west, and while I’ve always heard people talk about the “freeze” I’ve never had it impact me very much. Yes, there are groups of people that will be the UW/non-UW types, but that exists everywhere for a variety of reasons. Although, I was just chatting with some people last night about their love of “da Bears” both of them having come from Chicago and how Seattle-ites won’t sell them tickets outside the stadium if they have their Bear’s jersey on. But, I’m sure in Chicago you might get the same, but reverse, effect of a Seahawk fan outside a Chicago stadium.
Chris, for the area where you live there are some good options in Maple Leaf, Ravenna, Greenlake, Greenwood, Phinney and more. It all depends on how far you want to go and what you’re looking for. There is a good (and nice) sushi place on Aurora just north of you between 130th and 145th (east side of road). Steel Pig BBQ down on Aurora/92nd has some decent BBQ and good beer when you get the urge, plus they have the games on huge TV’s; there is also a good, cheap BBQ joint by the intersection of Greenwood and 105th/Holman. Just behind the Jiffy Lube. Check out the Greenwood drag down through to Phinney – you’ll find tons of cool shops and restaurants and bars/pubs.
Northgate has been growing and going through a lot of redevelopment, including the opening of a new library/community center, just east of the mall. There still isn’t much of a “nightlife” there as I would describe it in other areas of the city but over time hopefully more good restaurants will come in. You may find yourself heading south a little bit to these other neighborhoods while Haller Lake and Bitter Lake are getting the influx of new apartments and condos.
Dee, you might try contacting some of the local property management firms in town – many of them have clients that are not as concerned about pets because they see pet owners as more responsible. Personally, I’ve got 2 Jack Russells and a flat coat retriever and I know that smaller dogs can do a lot more damage than a larger dog. A good thing you can do too is to put a small bio/resume on your pets together that be given to a prospective landlord. This could help you to show your responsibility as a pet owner and also that your pets are not destructive. Perhaps include photos of your current home environment so they can see that it is undamaged?
Chris, you will be moving to the man coast, but the men are all Microsofties:
http://blog.estately.com/2007/08/17/welcome-to-the-man-coast/
Hi everyone, I’ll be moving to Seattle by the end of the month and I’m sharing most of evryones’ worries here. The weather beign near the top of my list. I’m moving from Venezuela (with nice warm tropical temperatures and nice warm tropical people), I get depressed when it rains and can only think of a nice warm cup of mocaccino (I guess that’ll only affect my weight and sleeping pattern *sigh*) … As I said, beign used to the tropical weather pampers us badly, so how cold is it when it’s cold? how ’bout usually? how much rain is “rainy”??
Any how, I’ll be working in the Redmond area (and living temporarily there), since I’ll move soon enough, some pointers on the neighborhoods nearby, good places to live, shop, and so on would be greatly appreciated… is walking usually done? (I mean not using the car, especially with all the rain?… how’s the public transportation system?) …
BTW: Great site guys!
Hi Alita, welcome to Seattle!
How cold is cold? Well, we have a maritime climate so freezing is not common, although last winter we did have a big freeze so the snow (not very common) stuck around for a few days. We are not very close to “nice warm tropical temperatures”, we have nice mild maritime temperatures instead which mean that it’s not too cold and not too hot, all the better to enjoy a nice hot cup of coffee!
We probably get way less rain than you do in Venezuela, but ours comes in the winter as a drizzle that can last for a long, long time. 🙂
Walk around neighborhoods are found more in urban Seattle areas than on the Eastside, although downtown Bellevue and Kirkland each have a great core area. Depending on where you will be working in Redmond it could be easy to take public transportation from some areas of Seattle to Redmond.
Alita,
Your concern will probably not be what the thermometer reads, nor the total amount of precipitation (ie in total cm), as mentioned by Deborah. Your biggest enemy, particularly coming from a sunny climate, wlll be our winter permagloom. Constant thick, low-lying clouds with the added bonus of sunup to sundown that seems to last only from 9am to 3pm on the gloomier days in the depth of winter. Be mentally prepared, get UV lights, whatever it takes.
Fortunately, most summers are fantastic, but if you move here in the fall you won’t know that for months. I moved here in early October and after not seeing the sun for a few months, I turned to my wife and asked, with regard to our move – “what have we done.” And I moved from Chicago, not Venezuela. Fortunately, you do get used to the lack of light and, as I mentioned, summers (and early springs) kind of make up for it.
My strategy FWIW – concentrate all of my vacation time between late November and February and go to sunny locations. IE recharge for about one week during each of the winter months. The rest of the month you have another quickly upcoming week off in the sun to look forward to. A word of caution – you may not want to visit Venezuela on your vacations, though as the contrast between your old life and the prospect of returning to your new life in Seattle in January may put you over the edge.
I’m thinking about moving to Seattle. There’s no real reason and the crazier part is that I’ve never even been there to visit. I’ve just always wanted to go. I’m in Chicago now. Can anyone be so kind to detail parts of the city (what’s there, who lives there, general apartment prices)? I am so baffled as to where to even begin on my research (deciding exactly where in the city to move, etc.). I’m planning on flying there at the end of October to see it. Any advice on what I should do during the 5 days I’ll be there to get the most out of my trip?
Abby,
You live in a big city now, so you will be comfortable with anything Seattle has to offer. Here is my advice:
Day 1: Hang out downtown at the Seattle Art Museum and the Downtown library. In the afternoon walk North to the the Pike Place Market and then head up Pike Street to Capitol Hill stopping at funky clothing stores, coffee shops, bars and restaurants on your way.
Day 2: Do whatever during the day. Rent a kayak at NWOC and cruise the houseboats in Lake Union if it’s nice (probably won’t be in October). For dinner, head to White Center and visit one of the two taco trucks or the Salvadorean Bakery. After dinner, cab or drive to the 9 Pound Hammer, a great bar in Georgetown, which is an artsy part of town directly next to Boeing Field.
Day 3: Find something to do in Ballard, Fremont and Wallingford. You’ll need a car, cab or bus to get between them.
Your on your own for the other 2 days. If you’ll be here for Halloween, you should walk around the University District or Capitol Hill in a costume and just let yourself into a party. People will usually be pretty nice about it. Google maps should be able to help you find where all these places are.
Thanks for the advice, Galen. I’m a bit nervous about moving somewhere where I don’t know a soul. I’m sure that everyone fares differently in meeting people and getting over that initial lonliness. Are these places that you mentioned good places to meet people?
Abby, they should be good spots. The library is bustling and the walk to Capitol Hill is filled with coffee shops that will have some people interested in talking (and some just working). I’m curious – please let us know where you meet folks.
My dream in life is to open a bakery/coffee shop.
I’ve also always dreamed of living in Seattle.
I can’t explain why on either of those, but that’s just what my heart tells me.
Can they co-exist?
I know seattle is famous for its coffee. there must be tons of coffee shops already…
What are the chances of a successful coffee shop/bakery?
I think it is safe to say that those two dreams can definitely co-exist…
I can’t imagine there is a major city in America where there isn’t demand for another quality coffee shop or bakery. While there will definitely be competition from both independent and national shops, there are still plenty of areas that are under-served! 🙂
We live in Chicago. We turned down positions at the U-Seattle two years ago because of family stuff. But now we’re looking longingly at Seattle now that the family situation is better. We’re heard though the grapevine that folks at the U are still interested in our coming. What are more positives about Seattle? Anyone?
Kim, you should check out Karen’s posts http://www.raincityguide.com/author/karenkirr
She’s from Chicago too and has written about her transaction moving to Seattle.
I love it–I live in West Seattle. I’ve never lived in the East Coast or your neck of the woods. I did spend a couple years in California as a teen.
I’m thinking of moving to Seattle for university next year. I’m a latecomer student looking to take advantage of their architecture program but I’ve never visited the city and doubt I will be able to before I have to move. I’m a New Yorker-cum-New Orleanian, looking to find a happy medium between the two. A cooler summer and a warmer winter would be nice. More laid back than New York, but less laid back than New Orleans [just for the sake of efficiency. New Orleans likes to blame everything on Katrina, but that all happened two years ago and the city wasn’t all that functional to begin with.]
Most importantly, I have a car, but I’m an avid biker and I was wondering if the city would lend itself to that. I’m looking for a neighborhood not far from the hustle and bustle, possibly outside of it. Whaddaya guys think?
Dom,
If you’re not getting a quick response from people here, it is probably because the question is pretty open-ended…
But in terms of appropriateness, Seattle definitely might work for you… Biking is definitely an option, especially if you don’t mind riding in wet conditions (When I worked downtown, I commuted from Ballard via bike for over a year). As far as neighborhoods go, you’ll almost definitely want to find a neighborhood in north Seattle if you do plan on biking into campus every day. Although thanks to the Burke-Gilman Trail, you can have a relatively easy ride into the campus from as far away as Bothell.
Lots of students rent on the Linden side of Green Lake. Prices are about the same as Bothell, and it’s not nearly as far. I don’t think outside of the City is a good or needed option. I’d look for a share house closer to the U. or a one bedroom apartment depending on cost considerations.
Dom,
You said “for university”. Our responses assume you mean the Univerisity of Washington. If that is not correct, let us know which College or University you are referring to.
Hi everyone! I have a couple questions. I’m a born and raised orange county california girl. I’m 23. Waitress. I hate california. The shallow people. The sun. I’m considering making a huge change in my life next year. I am pretty set on moving to seattle. I visited for my first time last november with my boyfriend. I fell in love with it. Its strange but ever since I was a child I have had dreams about seattle and have wanted to go there. And now I want to move there. It has been on my mind non stop since I visited. My boyfriend of 3 years will never leave cali and I know this. My familly whom I am very close with is also 10 mins from me in cali. If I do this it is truly on my own. I have already started saving money. I’m a bit torn though. All alone. Studio apartment. New job. No friends. No family. I have wanted this for so long it is a dream. I would soooo LOVE any comments advice or suggestions. Please! A bit of insight on who I am is that I have loved cold rainy overcast weather and hated the sun always. I am content with being alone. I’m an only child and have always been a bit introverted but I love having a good time. I do a tiny bit of modeling. I am scared about finding a good job. Thanks for reading this! Again I hope I can get some good feedback. 🙂 great site!
Brittany, get a room in a place with a couple of other people, but make sure they have their own friends. You’ll have the occasional company, but you won’t have to invite them out every time you leave the house. You’ll find houses and apartments filled with fun people with their own friends anywhere between the University District and Beacon Hill – just look on Craigslist. You’ll also find other people like yourself in those areas.
I moved here a year ago from Atlanta and boy do I regret it. The Seattle Freeze is a very real phenomenon. This city has the most unfriendly people I have ever encountered and I have lived in six states and three countries. People go out of their way to make sure that you feel unwelcome. You say “Hi” to someone and they completely ignore you – that has never happened to me in my life before- here it’s a regular occurrence. It’s the weirdest thing I have ever experienced. I have never had to try to make friends before – here I try and try and try. I have given up – something else I never do but it’s just too hard. I am leaving next month and it’s really a shame. I love the clean air and beautiful scenery but I think I’d kill myself if I had to go on living like this.
Dom – Consider Capital Hill if you’ll be biking around and going to the U. Close to downtown as well, and plenty of hustle and bustle. Metro buses have bike racks as well, for when you don’t feel like riding the whole way.
d- I assume you’re just a normal guy or gal not giving off a freaky vibe, so I have to wonder where you’re hanging out that people totally ignore you. Plus, it seems like more and more the people I meet are not natives, so you must be getting frozen out by other transplantees. Us natives are pretty darn friendly! Good luck…
I really am a normal gal. No freaky vibe here that I am aware of although, the reaction I get from people here has made me wonder if I have developed some sort of horrific smell that I am unaware of….
The first time I said “Hi” and was ignored was my very first night in Seattle. I was moving into my apartment and said “Hi” to a neighbor – he walked right by, head down. I thought he was deaf.
I think I am just a little too friendly for the people here. They seems scared when I say “Hi”. I met a guy from England that told me he was having the same problem, felt like he was scaring people by saying “Hi”.
I live in Capitol Hill – probably not the best spot for a single woman but it’s close to downtown. Anyway, I have tried everything, joined groups, started a group, classes, even got desperate enough to try online. Nadda. I know three other people that moved here at the same time I did – they have all moved away because of it. I just don’t get it. Life is too short to live like this. It makes me sad for the people here. This s such a beautiful city with so much to offer but the attitude of the people just ruins it.
I think if you are really introverted and shy or hate people, this city will probably be a good fit but it you are friendly and outgoing – watch out.
Ah – too bad. If you were staying, I’d have invited you to Stitch n Bitch at a bar on Capital Hill…full of friendly folks.
d,
Places like Seattle are filled w/people who think they are really special.Its like somewhere like Indy,its funny really.Some of those hoosiers act like they live in LA.Sometimes they forget they are surrounded by a huge cornfield. :)You just have to remind em of it,and sit back and watch the fun.They are usually the shallowist+most insecure,and most entertaining.You have to keep laughing.If you are young,thing to do is hit some neighborhood bars.You are female,sit down and talk to the female bartender,even if you dont drink.When she gets busy,you will find yourself talking to someone.Get to know the real locals.One of my hobbies back in the days was bouncing in bars,and it was how I met a lot of people.Just walking up to someone and starting a conversation is kind of a lost art.I always say,Bikers or Bank Presidents,everyone likes to talk about their favotite thing,themselves.You would be amazed at how even a beligerent over drinker can be disarmed by asking them about their favorite drink,or whatever.Just my two cents,but given that angle,everywhere is the same.I’ll hang up and listen…. 🙂
I’ve already met some very nice people online. Its amazing what a great response I got just by reaching out a bit to complete strangers! My trip to visit is set for november and I am so excited! Time to job hunt and apartment hunt! I hope I love it as much as I did last november! One question though. This is going to sound strage I’m sure but last year when I took my first trip there I stayed in hotels and took cabs everywhere and I don’t know what it was but I got this scary erie feeling from the people and the downtown area in general. Weird? Anyone else feel this way?
Adrianna – thanks, wish I’d met ya sooner 🙂
R Duke – thanks but I did that. Planned a group outing to Amber, all six people I invited stood me up, first time in my life I have ever been stood up! I did meet two very nice guys that night who invited me to sit with them and we chatted a bit. They told me to move that all of their single women friends complained of the same thing. One of the guys was from Seattle but he had traveled so knew how to be friendly. The other guy was from out of to CA, I think. Another time I did meet a couple of very nice bartenders, one on 15th and another at a downtown steakhouse (he is from FL, hates it here can’t wait to move).
Brittany – It’s the evil eye – they don’t want you here – don’t say I didn’t warn ya.
All – am too negative to keep posting, I am getting on my own nerves. I have given up and that’s that, off to warmer, friendlier climes… Wish I had a better attitude but the Seattlites have beaten it out of me. Good luck to you all. 🙂
Hello Seattle lovers,
I’m from the REAL northern CA (Humboldt County, near Redwood National park) and I’m currently living in Memphis, after a 2 year stint in Indiana. I have always dreamed of living in Seattle and hope to move there for an internship I really want in a couple of years. Anyways, I will be having my first real job (doing my PhD right now).
I am trying to research different Seattle neighborhoods, but am having a hard time. I want great views, a good neighborhood to dog walk, trees, and I love charm. Any suggestions?
Thanks!
Hi Linda,
Most of the neighborhoods close into Seattle (Capitol Hill, Eastlake, Wallingford, Fremont, Queen Anne) have great views, are nice to walk around with a dog, have charm and trees. On the right side of the panel are links to some neighborhood blogs that you might find interesting to dig into.
Other great neighborhoods to look at would be Ballard, Green Lake, West Seattle, and Madison Valley. Have fun checking them out Linda!
I think there will be more and more blogs in the next few years to help you with your research. I would also suggest that you come and spend a few days to experience in person the places that you read about in the next year or so to get a better idea of the different nieghborhoods, and narrow your focus. The hard part may be having to choose!
yikes..I am looking to move to seattle from chicago. originally from FL. I think it should be cool to be near water…evergreen trees, ocean…from what i gather it is a great city. til i read all these posts..
are people there really cold…? just mean? what is up with that?
chicago is cool…just ready for something new.
by the way? what is bellevue like? thanks for any response.
will be coming out in november to check it out for a few days before accepting the position.
cheers.
andy
Andy,Hey man,as for leaving Chicago,its like me right now,anybody but the Yankees.I havent been out west for years,but if I were you,I would go to UL(upper left)in a heartbeat,instead of stayin in Chi town.As for Cub fans,face it,its never gonna happen :)When you get to Wash.,you wont believe how nice it is out there.I used to run a big rig all over Country,up to Chi. every night for almost a year,that place is a mess.Dont look in the rearview mirror,the play is in front of you.Go West,keep our friends here working 🙂
Hi Andy,
The “Seattle Freeze”…some people seem to run up against it, and others don’t, depends on the person. Whether not you experience it or not will depend on how outgoing you are and probably what your interests are.
Not sure if Bellevue is that much different from Seattle, but the streets are generally better! 🙂
thanks for the posts…I really look forward to coming out to check it out!
Hi,
I am currently a 26 year old Los Angelino (LA GUY) and i will be moving to the Seattle area in November! I am half excited and half worried since I don’t really have a job lined up but I do have alot of work experience and I am not really afraid to try something new! Anyway, my real reason for moving is because my best friend and I are going to start a videography/editing company.
I know others are worried about Seattle people being cold or whatevernot but try living in LA and you’ll definately know what “cold” is…it’s more like “shady” and “plastic”. I enjoy rain and gloom..but I’m not a gloomy guy. I’ve met lots of great people in Seattle, and I find them very friendly. The air quality and cost of living are great too..compared to this toilet bowl in LA.
Anyway, I’m excited. It’s a new change for me and I just wanted to let all the strangers / soon-to-be new neighbors know that I’m bringin’ a lil bit o’ sunshine into Seattle. Oh, and I love coffee.
When people ask me “You live here in Seattle, huh? What’s the deal with the rain?”
I tell them the truth.
“It only rains when people are visiting from out of town.”
(Now, that doesn’t mean that “if people are visiting from out of town, it rains”–because lots of people visit during our often amazingly dry summers here…but let them figure that out.)
The bigger point is that joke is an attempt at self-limiting…which, honestly, I think all of the hullabaloo about the so-called Seattle Chill/Seattle Ice/Seattle Freeze is…
Look at these blog comments. People don’t know why they want to move to Seattle–they just do… They’ve heard about it, they’ve dreamed about it…they want to move to Seattle and take advantage of all of the wonderful things that the people who already live here enjoy.
To those of us already here…that means more traffic, higher prices, more people in front of us in line, crowded entertainment venues…
Seemingly, everyone who successfully moves to Seattle wants to close and lock the door behind them…and turn off the “vacancy” sign.
If you can afford it, this area truly allows most people the chance to do whatever it is they may want to do…and to do so with less stress than other areas that offer the same opportunity. If you’re doing what you love to do, you’ll meet people that are interested in doing that, too…and, if they accept the fact that you’re not here to stop them from doing what they love to do…they’ll get to know you…and they’ll introduce you to people they know…and you can cultivate a group of people that you can, from time to time, do things with…
On the other hand, if you move to Seattle and need to be surrounded by people cheering on your every move (moves they themselves made years ago)…and if you expect to fall into a group of tight friends who can’t wait to spend every free moment with you…well, gosh, it’s rainy all the time here, isn’t it?
pg–moved here from Wisconsin in 1992…left the door open for you.–ballard
Nice explaination pg13! : -)
Hey guys, I (like nearly everyone else on this forum) is looking to move to Seattle. As of right now my move will probably take place in March. A lot of the questions I’ve had have already been asked and answered by other folks here which is fantastic. The one thing that I’m surprised no one else has suggested (or maybe I just missed it, if so my apologies) is putting a link to your favorite social networking site (facebook, myspace). I realize that they are incredibly lame but it would be a great way to get to know each other and maybe have a few friends to thaw that “Seattle freeze” that has been mentioned.
What do you think? Good idea, bad idea?
Well to start it off I’m at http://www.myspace.com/axlrosethedog I’d love to hear from any of you.
Great idea Shaun… I’ve almost stopped visiting my myspace page, but I’m pretty darn active on Facebook.
Hi Shawn,
Glad to hear you are getting a lot of info about Seattle!
My company blocks myspace so you are invisible to me unless I am at my home computer.
Dustin is definitly active on Facebook! Me, I have only just started on Facebook.
I have a Facebook account but I don’t use it as much but if that is what everyone else is on then I can work with that.
http://www.facebook.com/p/Shaun_Herskowitz/506783960
We just moved from Seattle to Hawaii to be close to family as all our family is in Hawaii.
Prior to moving, I knew I would miss Seattle.
If my family lived in Seattle I would have never moved. I actually already miss Seattle and it has been only 3 months.
Of course you can not compare Hawaii to the rest of the US because it is so different.
Seattle is so beautiful! The mountains, lakes, seasons- autumn is so pretty, tulips, islands, etc. It does rain a lot, but it doesn’t get super cold. The rain is a slow drizzle that you can still walk outside- and it is a bit cozy. Lots of nature things to do, hike, ski, boating, parks, etc. Very decent shopping too- Bellevue Mall, Downtown, Westfield (southcenter mall). You can drive to Vancouver, BC, oregon, even to CA.
We lived in Gregory Heights/Seahurst and this neighborhood was great, reasonable priced for King County! It was so close in proximity to a lot of places- downtown seattle, bellevue, airport, north seattle, and the schools in this neighborhood were brand new (elementary). Our neighbors were friendly, but not too nosy. We kind of kept to ourself. It is definitely a walking neighborhood- everyone was always out walking, jogging, gardening. Great neighborhood if you have kids. There are so many nice neighborhoods though: Kirkland, Juanita, Bellevue, Ballard, Queen Anne, West Seattle, Alki, Ravena, Green Lake, Madison, Lechi, U-district, Sandpoint, Magnolia, Normandy Park.
I don’t believe in the Seattle Freeze. Being here in Hawaii, you would think that people were friendly, but I find people in Seattle were friendlier and more likely to say “Hi”. We are Asian and did live in a neighborhood with mostly Caucasian people- did not bother me at all. But I do agree with the 90% good, 10% not-good, but I am sure this is everywhere. I have only lived in Honolulu & Seattle, and can not compare with other places.
Obviously, I am missing Seattle.
Hi Mon,
Sorry to hear you are missing Seattle. Your memories of Seattle and Washington are lovely, and it’s very nice of you to post here to let possible newcomers know of your experience.
I hope you stop by RCG to get your Seattle “fix” when you are thinking of Seattle. Be sure to check out the neighbrohood blogs (Mine too) that Dustin has linked, when you need a virtual visit! Tell us more about what you remember and enjoyed about Seattle, I’d like to hear.
What’s the best area for a single 30 something professional to live?
Hi Sarah,
How close do you want/need to be from where you’ll be working?
Hi all! My boyfriend and I (both in our mid-20s) are looking to move to the Seattle area. We just spent the last week driving from Spokane up through Seattle and spent several nights at the South Bay B&B near Lake Whatcom. We drove up through to Deception Pass and then up to Fairhaven and LOVED it!!
We are both in PhD programs for Biochemistry, so we would likely be looking for jobs in the Pharmaceutical industry.
We adore the outdoors and would be looking to find a place that was close enough to work in the city proper, but live in a more rural area.
Any recommendations?? Thanks so much!
Hi Rachel, I think a lot of the Pharmaceutical companies are nearer to Downtown so you would have a commute to a rual home.
If having a Ferry ride as part of your commute and being close to the Sound are important, then you might think of Bainbridge Island. If hiking in the mountains is important, then Woodinville, Redmond, Issaquah have rural areas in the eastern parts of their cities, and are close to the Cascades.
Actually there are a lot of homes in the outlying rural areas to choose from, so have fun exploring them!
One day trip I enjoy is going up to Mt Baker for a day of Alpine joy, you will have to try that sometime!
Hi Jilliayne,
I’m freelance, so it doesn’t really matter. I guess I would prefer to be closer to the city because I do need to go to clients who most likely will be there.
Hi Sarah,
Dustin has put some neighborhood links up there on the right hand sidebar. I’d check out Ballard, Freemont, Capital Hill, Kirkland, and a neighborhood that’s not up there is Phinney Ridge/Greenlake.
All these are not IN downtown Seattle but near downtown with the exception of Kirkland which is on the eastside of Lake Washington.
This is a great site. However, did I miss it, or do no seniors inquire about moving to Seattle on it? We are considering moving there and would be grateful for any advice/suggestions you might have for semi-retirees (i.e., those who intend to work at least part-time) and where the quietest, reasonably priced rentals to live, might be that would have easy access to public transportation. Many thanks.
Dory – seniors move out to get more sun in the south, but I can understand the draw.
Here’s my off-the-top-of-my-head quiet and reasonably priced Seattle neighborhood list:
Greenwood
North Ballard
Wedgwood
Columbia City
North University District
Queen Anne
Magnolia might be a little too “deep” for good transit, but it’s quiet. Same goes for West Seattle.
You can click on my name to see outlines of those neighborhoods and Craigslist or HousingMaps.com are probably the best places to find rentals in Seattle.
Galen,
Thank you very much for your suggestions.
Dory
I’m thinking about moving to Seattle in about July. I’m looking to get a job at the Nordstrom Corporate Offices. Where should I go to look for one bedroom apartments. I’m 20 years old so I am young so I am interested in the nightlife. With my move I’m hoping to continue my education. I know of University of Washington but can anybody give me more information on that school as well as others I can look at?
Hi Whit,
There are great one bedroom apts in Capitol Hill and lower Queen Anne. Both are close to Downtown where the Nordstrom Corp offices are, and you could easily take the bus. Belltown would also be a good choice, although maybe more expensive.
All those neighborhoods have a lot to offer for both nightlife and places to hang out in the day.
The schools all have websites but since it’s after 2AM, I really need to go to sleep, I am too sleepy to see my screen and can’t look them up for you right now.
Hello,
I am planning to move to Seattle from Southern Cali to be closer to my girlfriend that goes to Seattle Pacific. I have worked at Country clubs my whole life in the food and beverage department. Do you have any tips that could direct me to a city thats close to Seattle Pacific and close to golf course’s. I also am going to be needing a 1 bedroom apartment thats in a safe area. Any insight!!! I’m totally lost here…
Whit – it depends on who you are. The “fratastic” crowd parties in Fremont and increasingly Ballard, both of which have good access to downtown. The “alt” crowd parties on Capitol Hill and increasingly Georgetown, and the college crowd, well they party by the University of Washington.
The other schools you could consider are Seattle University (private 4-year) and Seattle Central (public 2-year community college).
Hi Aaron,
Are you going to have your own place, or do you need to live close to Seattle Pacific (Queen Anne) for your girlfriend? If close by there is Queen Anne (North), Fremont, Phinney Ridge etc.
I am not a golfer, but Broadmoor Golf Club (Madison Park area) and Sandpoint Country Club (View Ridge) are fairly close by to Seattle Pacific and near (within 5 miles) to the places listed above to live.
There are more Golf Courses as you go further north and accross Lake Washington, but a longer commute to Seattle Pacific.
I live in Mississippi now and my dream is to move to Seattle. My fiance and I both want to move there but my parents give us a hard time about it– my dad says I would love it for visiting but not living there. I already know I’ll love it. I love art, music, coffee, culture, photography etc.
My parents are a bit hard-headed and don’t listen and my dad is always trying to tell me reasons not to move there. How in the world can I just pop something back in their face to prove them completely wrong about living there. I want their support and it’s a hard thing. Thanks so much.
Melissa,
Clearly you can always go back if it doesn’t work out. Instead of acting like you are moving here forever, why not tell him you are moving here for a year. This way you will decide based on your experience. Some people love it and some people hate it.
I encourage my daughters to try new things. But clearly most parents don’t encourage their children to move far away from them. It’s probably just his way of trying to hold on to you for as long as possible. Seattle is a very long way from Mississippi. Be happy that he cares enough to want you to stay close. I doubt anything we can say will convince him to be happy that you are leaving.
I agree with Ardell. I’m an only child, and when I decided to move out here my mom was pretty upset. So, instead of saying I was moving out here forever, I told her 6 months – 1 year. Then as soon as I moved out here (back in June) I made plans for her to come visit and even bought her a ticket. She liked being out here and she had a good time.
Our parents love us and want us to be near them, but you have to live your life. Best of luck!
My hubby and I just moved to Seattle last week. I’ve visited Seattle for five summers for about a month at a stretch. I didn’t think the rainy and the gloomy weather would get to me as much as it is. I’m usually an outdoorsy person. The entire week has been filled with gray skies. Does Seattle ever one sunny day in the winter? I think this is probably a phase every newcomer goes through. How does one get over it? Thanks!
sp: Hawaii vacation in January. Dawn simulators if they work for you.
Go to Alki during a wind storm (like today) and embrace mother nature. 🙂
SP,
It was sunny in Kirkland this weekend. Do you live near a lot of tall trees? Maybe I just call any day when I see the sun even for a little bit, a sunny day. But it does seem to be sunnier in Kirkland than in Bellevue. Today was gloomy just about everywhere, I think. I’m just too busy to notice most days.
I have had a few friends decide to move to Seattle after staying with me here on Capitol Hill and experiencing the city for themselves. Two of them were from California and one from Alaska. I was happy to act as their personal tour guide. I like to let Seattle itself shatter the negative connotations people have. Although Seattle is stigmatized as rainy and grey, my friends were very impressed with the city as a whole. They’ve described it as cultured, friendly, diverse, hip, etc. Many people appreciate a “small big city” like Seattle. As for the precipitation, I believe everything is a trade off. Seattle would not be so green and beautiful without some drizzle. I don’t think it’s that bad (maybe just easy to get used to). Seattle also has extremely clean air relative to most big cities. I would love to talk with you if you are new to the city or considering moving here. I have lots of ideas about fun stuff to do in the various neighborhoods. I also know a lot about the housing market here, which has been named one of the best in the country.
Melissa,
I think you should ask your dad to visit Seattle with you to see for himself. If he hasn’t been there he doesn’t have an informed argument! I can give you many great reasons why Seattle is an ideal place to live if you’re interested.
Wow, this site is amazing! I’ve read lots of postings and almost all have been tremendously helpful. My husband and I are in the midst of a move that will hopefully take us to the place we’ll choose to raise a family and stay put for a long time. We currently live in El Segundo, a tiny city in LA county right next to LAX airport. It’s the closest we’ve found in LA to a small, family oriented community¦ which alone was nearly impossible to find. There’s many factors that are causing us to look into moving, mostly cost of living/housing and genuineness of people. As an Aeronautical Engineer, my husband has received offers from Boeing in Everett and Duluth, Minnesota. Were trying to decide between the two. The snow versus rain and the income earning are the two only real differences we’ve found. The company in Duluth offered us a visit, and we saw and loved the personality of the people, character of the city and beauty of the land. Boeing is not offering a visit, and so I’m searching for the next best— comments and thoughts of those that live there or have been there. So far Seattle and the northwest U.S., and Duluth sound equally as good.
The comments I’ve read and your 10 Things You Should Know
Mary and Ben,
Here are some honest answers to your questions:
I would not recommend Everett personally. It’s not the nicest area and I don’t see as much diversity and fun for a young couple. I wouldn’t raise a family there, but I am just speaking for my own opinion.
I think Shoreline would be a great option if you need to be closer to Everett. You would be able to find decent rent. It has some cute neighborhoods and seems to be family oriented. It is not lacking in diversity. Also it is close to Seattle (about 12 mins on I-5, without traffic of course).
Bothell is a very family oriented community. You could definitely find cheaper rent there. However, it’s more towards the east side and there’s not a lot to do. It’s gonna take about 25 mins to get from Seattle to there (with no traffic of course!)
You should really consider routes from where you live to work because Seattle has really bad traffic at times.
Seattle is an amazing place to live…very desirable. Let me know if you have more questions. I am in real estate and I know a lot about Seattle neighborhoods and how to find good rentals.
I’m an aircraft mechanic for Continental Airlines and have been offered a transfer from Newark, NJ to Seattle. I don’t live in Newark. I commute there every week from Dayton, OH…born and raised there. So I’m a midwest person thus far. Continental only gave me 3 days to decide if I want to go, which means I have my house in Dayton that I own to deal with…anyways…they want an answer by tomorrow and I’ve never been to Seattle. I’m almost ready to jump and just go, but I just need some kind of assurance from someone out THERE that it’s a good idea. I will have to sell my house, move, my fiance will have to leave her job…you get the picture. I guess I really just need someone to tell me it’s awesome in Seattle, and it’s worth the move. Please…Someone…? Also, where would a reasonably priced yet cool place to live be (we’re in our early 20’s and like to party) that’s not too far from SEATAC airport?
AJ,
Do it! It will be an awesome move for you. I lived in many places before here and frankly could be tempted to move back to CA, but not to PA or NJ where I am from and spent over 40 years. No question but that Seattle is awesome compared to Ohio.
My daughters in their early 20s feel the same way. CA to Seattle back and forth, but one of them in their early 20s tried going back to PA and was back in Seattle within 6 months.
Just find a place to rent until you get acclimated. Maybe a short term rental so your fiance doesn’t feel stuck where she is and is active inthe process of deciding where to live. The move may be harder for her than for you since you have historically commuted long distance to work, which is not the norm.
Good luck! If it’s a good job move, go for it. Seattle is not just a great place to visit.
AJ, I second that – take the plunge! My dad grew up in rural New Jersey (it exists!) and moved out to Seattle in his 20s, with a stop in Wisconsin along the way.
As a mechanic, you’ll be working near Seatac, which means you have a wide range of living choices – urban Seattle is North, urban neighborhood-y West Seattle is a short commute from Seatac, gritty Georgetown is just North of Boeing Field, loud and cheap Seatac is out your back door.
20s and you like to party – get a place in Georgetown if you like to party with the artsy crowd (look up the Nine Pound Hammer), Tacoma if you like to party with the small town crowd (20 minutes to the south), Capitol Hill if you like to party with the alt crowd, and West Seattle or Beacon Hill if you like to party before retreating back to your quiet neighborhood.
Thanks so much for the quick feedback Ardell and Galen. I am trying to get the confidence to call Continental and accept the offer. I’m terrified! I’ve never left my hometown so this is a huge decision for me to make. Especially because they only gave me 3 days to decide. My main concern is my house here in Ohio. I guess if I can’t rent, lease, or sell I could just foreclose. From what I’ve seen on the news I wouldn’t be the first person to have to go that route. There seem to be a lot of foreclosures across the nation. I figure that I am young enough to repair the damage that foreclosure would do to my credit. I am a musician and love seeing live music. I think Seattle would be a great place in that capacity. Right now I am just thinking out loud…trying to convince myself to go. My fiance wants to go. The only thing that really bothers me is the weather. I will be working outside. That cold rain doesn’t sound too good! But if you guys say it’s worth it…
I think you will be making an excellent decision by moving to Seattle. It is an awesome city and there is so much stuff to do if you are young and like to have fun. The music scene is incredible. My boyfriend and I are young as well (I’m in my mid-twenties) and we love to go out and have a good time. We would be happy to give you some advice on fun stuff to do and finding the right area to live in.
Alanna,
Where near Seatac would you suggest in addition to Galen’s comments. What neighborhoods do you suggest for people in their early twenties?
AJ – Burien’s downtown is pretty cool. They’ve just renovated a major portion of it and are keeping a lot of it’s older charm too.
Des Moines is a very charming waterfront town.
Both of these towns are very close to SeaTac. I lived in Des Moines and my hubby grew up in the Burien area. 🙂
Burien might be more affordable than Des Moines…I’m guessing…
Hi AJ,
Burien is up and coming and Olde Burien is turning into a cool destination, although it might be a little on the quiet side for 20’s. Galen’s suggestions are also very good. I would also suggest West Seattle, which would still be close to Seatac airport and an easy commute (depending on where in WS). Some of West Seattle neightborhoods have pretty active communities and are very walkable.
West Seattle is pricier than Burien and Des Moines, but might be a good choice as a first place for 6 months, a year or until you decide what neighborhood really appeals to you. Of course moving close to work first (lower price for rent too) to Tukwila, Seatac, Burien, or Des Moines could be a good move too. When I moved from Southern California I wound up renting an apt in Tukwila for 18 months until I bought my house.
So what was your decision with your 3 days to make it ?
I decided to go! I’m moving to Seattle! Now I’m just trying to figure out where to rent an apartment. Could anyone tell me where NOT to rent? Are there any ghetto areas to stay away from?
Welcome to Seattle AJ!
Seattle is often very mixed for housing. Because Seattle is so hilly, it often depends on Views. Well cared for neighborhoods (often with views) can be next to neglected neighborhoods (without views).
Generally the neighborhoods that everyone suggested would be good, although some of them have areas that could be called transitional. I would say that it is all about your definition of what constitutes a good neighborhood. One you will have to determin yourself when you come here for a couple of days to find an apt. and you drive around the various areas. I have a friend who usually jokes that when he comes to my neighborhood he expects “gunshots”, of course he lives on Clyde Hill.
Does anyone know if Westwood is a nice area?
Aj, my friend just moved from there. It could be considered “transitional,” but you’re in Seattle – there aren’t any scary neighborhoods here.
It’s sort of deep from Seattle though – like a 20-25 minute drive to any non-neighborhood nightlife and the bars I’ve been to there are definitely exciting in a way that my friends weren’t interested in seeing again.
Westwood, is Okaaaay…
I have a couple of friends who bought near there. It has a very nice shopping center/mall. You are very close to White Center, however, I wouldn’t venture too far over the border at night unless you keep company with a dozen hefty Samoans. 😉
I’m only partially kidding. I spend time in White Center, and though there is some gun-play, generally I don’t feel too nervous there. The problem is it is patrolled by King County sheriffs as it is unincorporated, and they are spread too thin. There are some interesting bars and restaurants on the wrong side of the City Line, however. Westwood itself is pretty sleepy and lower-middle class suburban, for the most part.
Downtown Burien seems to be up and coming – I even go out of my way to visit a Brewery down there.
West Seattle closer to Alaska and California has a bit more nightlife and youth, but nothing really hopping.
Georgetown, just north of Boeing Field is becoming sort of edgy-hipster land. Post-industrial low-rent area. A number of edgy bars and restaurants, though I don’t know anyone who actually lives there. There aren’t many housing options I don’t think.
If you want to get more into Seattle proper with a bit longer commute, Belltown, Capital Hill and Fremont are where I found the best bars and restaurants to go out when I was in my 20s. Pricier rents though. Old-town Ballard and parts of Queen Anne are also worth considering, which wasn’t the case 10 years ago.
Biliruben – we should party sometime. You sound adventurous. Poker night in White Center?
I’m really looking for a place where we could walk to bars and restaurants. It just seems like rent is really high in the downtown area. Are all the hopping places where you don’t need to drive everywhere really expensive?
Ah…come on, biliruben….Alki in West Seattle can be pretty hopping and you can walk or taxi somewhere. The Junction (in W Sea) has a decent night life, too…now I should disclose that although I’m a resident, I don’t typically hang out too late as we have three teens…
I’m not sure if it is really expensive to rent there or what really expensive is. The closer you are to downtown Seattle, the more expensive it will be.
West Seattle also has great restaurants.
I love Ballard, too…
I still think if you’re looking for more affordable and near SeaTac, Burien may be your best bet.
I did live in Des Moines right after my divorce over 10 years ago…it’s more ‘hip’ now and I did go out to down town back then…the nice thing about Des Moines and Burien is that it’s so centrally located. You can’t really walk to great bars (beyond the neighborhood) but you can taxi or drive (responsibly…I’m such a mother).
I wonder what Karen Kirr would recommend?
Hey Galen – Yeah! except you may have caught me 10 months too late. I have a wee boy that forces a long negotiation for nightlife these days. I may be in the death-throws and moving closer to fuddy-duddy-dum, sadly. The boy is more than enough compensation, fortunately.
I do manage a bit of poker in White Center on occasion however! There actually used to be a table in the back of Magic Lanes which was pretty fun for the novice. No more. Now Roxy’s or my bud’s basement is about it for me.
I really like Pacific Rim Brewery. Their beer and clientelle are always a crapshoot, but never boring. Rat City IPA. Yum.
AJ – You can find deals in and around Fremont, Cap. Hill, particularly if you don’t mind renting a house, or part of a house or living in a dated apartment or condo building. They are a bit hard to find, paritcularly now, and take a bit of time and legwork, but they can me found. Up until 4 years ago, I lived in a spacious 2 bedroom a 3 blocks for 20 bars and restaurants in Fremont for 800/mo. They can be found, but they may not be advertised. If you are willing to share a house, then it opens up a lot more options. Probably tougher in Belltown, because it’s mostly new construction with views. That’s pricey.
My guess is that, as for-sale inventory is near record levels right now, a lot of that is going to end up back in the rental market sooner or later, alleviating the rental vacancy crunch we are currently experiencing. It may be a year or two, however, so find something you can enjoy, sign a year lease for maybe a bit more than you can afford, get to know the neighborhoods, and then maybe make a more permanent move after that.
The commute from the central, more exciting neighborhoods like Fremont, Ballard, Cap Hill and Belltown, will actually be reverse commuting for you. It shouldn’t be very painful at all – 15 to 20 minutes. Well worth it if you like night life.
Rhonda – yeah the junction is okay and getting better, but still pretty limited options. I like Alki as a destination for a bike ride, but I don’t think my idea of “hopping” is the same as yours. 😉
biliruben, I don’t do much hopping anymore…in fact, I can’t remember the last time I hopped! 🙂 We have three teens and pretty much hang at home, neighbors or family. We do like to play our music to show the teens “real rock” and I’m happy to say that they do seem to have a great appreciation for Zeplin, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones…my son use to like the Beattles but now won’t admit it. I have more fun at home (plus I love cooking) listening to tunes.
Every so often we go out…if we don’t have the kids, we might go to Beato for their wine flight and some appetizers (can be a spendy night)…we also like the Mission with or without the kids on California. Blackbird has the best brunch. Circa’s fun, too…great food–needs a better wine list.
I sound like an old fart!
Hi everyone!
I’ve really enjoyed reading all the tips so far. I’ve got a question about job searching! First, a little background. I’m currently living in Rhode Island, and my sister is going to school in Vancouver, BC. We’re planning to be roommates in Seattle this spring right after she graduates. Locating an apartment isn’t going to be too big of a problem, thanks to a relocation program with my current rental company. But I’m wondering how many of you newbies had success getting a job while applying from out of town. I’ve just started my job search, but I’m worried the Rhode Island address will be off-putting to those reading my resume. I can’t afford to move without a job, so I need all the help I can get! I’m so excited to be making this move, and to be back with my sister again, but all the unknowns are a little scary. Thanks in advance!
Hi Keva,
What is your profession? I would imagine that most companies would not find someone’s out of state address off putting, especially if the type of postition is one that is always looking for good people.
When I moved here it was to relocate within my company, although I actually did give notice to leave when I decided to move to Seattle. My company offered me a postion in Seattle, so I wound up transfering.
I would use continue using the internet to scout out companies and want ads to get a feel for jobs in Seattle.
Good luck with your job search and moving to Seattle, and let us know what you end up doing!
Hey everyone 🙂
I’m considering making the move from Spokane to Seattle. My live-in boyfriend is moving to Seattle for grad school at U of W, whereas I’m in Spokane taking law school at Gonzaga. I’d of course have to transfer to Seattle U but that won’t be a problem.
Just wondering how the moving experience is. We’d have to get a huge U-Haul and a trailer for one of our cars to get there. Best bet to scout some places beforehand and get the lease done? Don’t want to have to keep the U-Haul packed with stuff too long. 😀
Hopefully, Seattle isn’t as dreary and boring as Spokane! LOL. But really, dreary isn’t what I’m concerned with anyways. Law school already makes me dreary. 😀
Thanks!
Hi Deborah,
Thanks for getting back to me. I actually work in TV News, but am trying to get out of that if I can. After 7 years it’s gotten too depressing! I’m looking for any type of position where I can use my communications skills. My journalism background is helpful, but I’ve been in TV land so long, it’s hard to gauge what’s valuable in the “real world”. The hunt continues! 🙂
Hi Keva,
Well, I’d have to say it’s tougher switching careers and moving to another state at the same time, but that just means being more creative in terms of your options. 🙂
I would imagine that good communication skills would transfer to many companies perhaps in PR or ? There are many great companies that would be looking for effective personal.
If finding career position proves to be more challenging, you may want to investigate temp work to “try out” different companies and postions until you find a good match.
Of course the fall back would be to find a postition in TV News here, then later begin making your career change. Although I actually imagine that finding work in that industry is challenging since there would be a narrower range of companies to work with.
Best wishes on your journey, let us know what you end up doing!
Hi Daisy,
Yes, I would find a place first, then pack up and move with your U-haul. Too dicey to try and do it on one trip, the rental market (vacancies) is a little on the tight side right now.
We don’t have the snow that Spokane has, or the heat in the summer, as to “dreariness” I’m not sure how Spokane compares at least as to weather. In terms of things to do, places to go etc., I’m sure you will have many, many more options! 🙂
Hi Deborah,
Making so many changes at once may prove to be a bad idea, but we’ll see. I should look into some temp places, that’s a good idea!
I may have to look elsewhere for apartments too, after doing a little more research I’ve found that the places my rental company has aren’t in the safest areas, so that throws a wrinkle in things as well. But I figure if this is meant to be everything will work out as it should.
In the meantime, I’ll keep lurking here. It’s been fun getting to read all the different points of view on the city!
Hi Keva,
Lurk away! 🙂
For finding a place, it might be a good idea if you don’t use your relo rental company, to have your sister drive down from Vancover BC for a long weekend to do some rental hunting. Maybe plan on doing it again the following weekend in case something is not found the first. That way your sister can see the different nieghborhoods and locations the first weekend and you both can also talk about it too.
Good luck with everything!
Hello,
My husband and I are thinking of moving to the Seattle area from So.California. I am in the Law Enforcement career and I would like to hear any feedback on your views of the police departments and King County Sheriff.
Hi, folks —
I’ve lived in Seattle for almost 9 years; I moved up from the SF Bay Area when my (then-)husband got the offer he couldn’t refuse from Microsoft. I am a clinical psychologist. I’m here to tell you: the “Seattle Freeze” is for real. People who move here are constantly talking to us in the mental health business, and we have to let them know that really, it’s not them; it’s the environment of Seattle. I have experienced it myself. People who live here, especially if they’re natives, are polite but distant.
When I first moved here, I followed one of the classic dictums for meeting people, and took a class. I hit it off with one of the other women in the course — or so I thought. When I asked her if she’d be interested in going to get some coffee some time, her response (and I quote) was “I’m sorry, but I don’t have the time to get to know anyone new.” She continued to be polite thereafter; her demeanor didn’t change. That summarizes my experiences here in a nutshell.
In graduate school here, a group of us from out of town would invite everyone in our classes to go out for drinks at the end of the term. The folks who were transplants would go. The natives were “just too busy.” Both sets of people had children, spouses, etc.; our take was bring them along. Locals don’t do that.
The people that I have met who moved here who have done the best have gotten to know others through things like their children’s play groups. The ones who have not done well tend to be single or in a relationship that does not involve children. Having a network of parents whose children have common activities seems to be key.
My experience in Seattle has been completely unlike when I moved from the East Coast to San Francisco, where many of my closest friends were made, and where people enjoy socializing and exchanging ideas. I still think the Bay Area is one of the friendliest places on earth. After my nine years here, there’s only one couple that I feel will be my friends for life; he was raised in Baltimore; she was raised in Beijing. If you move here from out of town, you should expect that most of your friends will also be transplants.
I’m thinking of respecializing my practice, and when I do so, the odds are good that I will move back to the Golden State. Despite having people skills (it’s what I do for a living), I still don’t think of Seattle as “home” because of the lack of human connection.
Chris, that’s very interesting. I could very well be one those “distant Seattle-ites”. By the time I get home, I’m dealing with focusing on our three teens. We visit with our neighbors and family but we honestly do not have extra time for much else outside of our family and jobs. Do you think its demographics?
When I was first divorced, I did go out more…it was a different phase in my life.
Maybe it’s the weather? We see our neighbors more when it’s sunny out and less once weather comes…it’s kind of funny, almost like we’re hibernating. In the summer, we will actually have our heads over each others fences asking what the other is making for dinner. Often times we combine the meals.
I don’t view myself as distant. I am very focused on family, work…oh yeah…and blogging. 🙂
Hi, Rhonda —
No, I don’t think it’s demographics. The Seattle Freeze goes across race, age, and economic class, based on what is known in the mental health community. The issue of “hibernation” actually may be a factor in why it’s a part of the Seattle social fabric. There may be more mingling during the summer, but summer here really only lasts about two and a half months. That means there are nine and a half months for people to isolate themselves by staying indoors. It still doesn’t explain why someone won’t accept an invitation for a cup of coffee, however.
Most folks who grew up here don’t view themselves as “distant.” To their families, they aren’t distant. However, they *are* distant to new people. There’s confusion about “polite” equalling “accessable;” they are definitely not the same.
Gosh Chris, my buddies, nearly all of whom I met in the last 4 years, go out for drinks and dinner much more in the winter because we aren’t as busy with outdoorsy stuff. It definitely took me some time to make “real” friends, but I didn’t really have the problems you describe. In fact, I was probably the Seattle Freeze guy at my old job – the new folks used to go out all the time, but I was usually busy with my non-job friends.
If you’re here from out of town, you should absolutely expect most of your friends will be out of towners due to basic odds. There are way more out of towners in Seattle than in towners.
Chris, I got in an argument with my friends last night. Perhaps the Seattle freeze is sort of real. They seemed to think so. I just assumed it took a while to make friends everywhere and that a lot of people everywhere are flakes.
Hi, Galen —
I think it’s that last sentence — “I just assumed it took a while to make friends everywhere and that a lot of people everywhere are flakes” — which is the telling one.
In most places, when someone says, “Shall we go out for coffee?,” the response “yes” means “How about in the next week?” Here, it tends to mean, “I’m just saying ‘yes’ to be polite.” If the latter is the definition of a “flake,” then yes, there are a lot of flakes in Seattle, but fewer in other places.
It’s the common set of assumptions on how to make friends that is quite different here in Seattle than it is in many other parts of the country. It truly doesn’t take that long to become a part of a community in the rest of the country. I’ve lived in Florida, New England, Colorado, and San Francisco, so I have some basis for comparison. Natives here really are different regarding their interest in getting to know new people.
One other comment, Galen. It’s interesting to see the line, “the new folks used to go out all the time, but I was usually busy with my non-job friends.” Therein is an important insight into the Seattle Freeze. I can’t think of another place that I’ve lived where there was a difference between “the new folks” and “my non-job friends” or “my church friends” or “my (fill-in-the-blank) friends.” However, it seems like many people here look at socialization that way.
In the other places I’ve lived, there wasn’t a segmentation between the classes of friends. Typically, if I got along well with someone, they’d probably get along well with the rest of my friends. For example, if I was going out for dinner with friends I knew from a women’s networking group I belonged to, and I met a new woman in the neighborhood who just moved into town and with whom I got along, I’d ask if she’d like to come to dinner as well. It helped her become a part of the community, and “the more the merrier” made for a great new viewpoint in the dinner conversation. This is how the other parts of the country seem to work.
It leads to the question: why are the people in someone’s life kept separate by ‘function’, which is often the habit here in Seattle? Isolating people from each other by role is something I don’t understand, but seems to be the practice here.
Chris, the simple answer is, in spite of how cool I think I am, my friends sometimes make plans to do stuff. For instance, they would make plans to go see a movie and my co-workers would make plans to go to happy hour and I would have to choose. Often I would happy hour for an hour, then go on to the friend’s stuff, but I couldn’t coax either group either way. I do attend work functions with some of my friends and my friends and I drag new co-workers out on trips with my friends, but according to my friends, who spent two years without friends, we are not the norm. I felt like I just didn’t “click” with anyone for my first year or two in town.
This story actually reminds me of my Seattle friend’s dislike of Minnesota: according to him, everyone who grows up there, stays there, and they only associate with their high school and college friends. So when my friend moved there at 23, he befriended a few out of towners, who collectively considered themselves the outsiders. He moved out to Seattle, which he considers much friendlier. He then moved to Washington DC (no friends – none – in 2 years), then moved back.
(so yes, I’m back to being overly defensive). I doth protest too much.
No Seattle Freeze for me. I’m even friends with Galen 🙂 I have more friends in Seattle than I can possibly keep up with, and they are combined Seattle natives and transplants. I think Seattle is the best of all worlds and have met hundreds of great people since I moved here in February of 2004 and many “friends for life”.
Hi – I just got offered a position at a company in Bothell. I moved to Seattle about a month ago and have been living with my aunt in Queen Anne. I moved to Seattle so I could experience city life in a multi-cultural city. I’m not sure if Bothell will really give me that. I’d like to live downtown here in Seattle or Bellevue. Do you think I’d be out of my mind to think of commuting to Bothell? Thanks!
Bothell is not a horrible commute from Seattle or Bellevue, especially if you can do off hours (and if you don’t think 30-45 minutes in a car is the end of the world). I personally think Seattle is a little more exciting and “urban” than Bellevue.
I’d take a look at taking the bus – then you can get work done or relax on the way to and from work. And (shameless plug), once you find bus routes that will get you to your job, you can search for homes or condos near them on Estately.com. Unfortunately, we don’t have rentals if you’re planning on renting.
Hi New Res,
Galen’s suggestions are good ones. Commuting from Seattle or Bellevue to Bothell are reverse commutes, although the commute won’t feel like that when the traffic is bad. 🙂
Seattle will have the more urban, “multi-cultural” experience that is sounds like you are interested in. Since you are here already, you can certainly test the commute from Bellevue to Bothell to see how it compares, and check out the lifestyles in both areas.
Let us know what you decide!
I live in Los Angeles, and as i keep up with this sight I keep reading about how bad the traffic is in and around downtown Seattle. We have th e 405 and the 101 and 110 and these are known as very very bad traffic. Is Seattle worse than that? i hope not.
I lived in Santa Ana (Orange County CA) for 5 years before I moved to Seattle and Hated the times I had to commute north of Long Beach (not often). The traffic seemed like you were never going to get somewhere because for the most part the scenery never seemed to change.
Yes, the commutes here can be bad, but not as bad, and you get to enjoy some really cool scenery. Is Mt Rainier out when you drive over one of Lake Washington bridges? Can you see the Olympics across the Sound, what about watching a Ferry? Of course there are sections that are less interesting as you get further from Downtown, but over all the scenery adds a bit of enjoyment to the time.
I went to Seattle 3 years ago for spring break and I loved it! I finish school in the spring of 08 and I’m determined to start a career at Boeing. Can someone give me advice for finding a neighborhood that is great for a young family and reasonably priced.
Beacon Hill or Lake City / Shoreline, depending on your job being at Boeing Field or Boeing Everett. Beacon Hill is up-and-coming and will be the place to live in 5 years when light rail is running through it. Ideally, you’ll live within 6 blocks of a stop.
Boeing could mean a lot of different areas. They have stuff north and south of Seattle.
I’d disagree with Beacon Hill and Shoreline because I don’t think either meets the reasonably priced criteria.
If you’re south, I’d strongly recommend Fairwood Greens, or one of the related areas around it, assuming you can handle a HOA. Reasonably priced, and it’s like something out of the 70s when you consider raising kids. If north I’d probably consider something either north of Everett or the town of Snohomish.
Kary is right – what do you mean by reasonably priced, Cory? We are talking Seattle real estate, so nothing is reasonable when you compare it to the $95,000 homes in Detroit.
I was wondering if they have legalized poker in seattle? How about any casino’s?
No poker in Seattle, but there is poker in bars just outside the city limits. You can play poker with the most eclectic group of people I’ve ever seen together in a bar in White Center, just South of the city.
Casinos are “card rooms” and are also just outside the city. They don’t have slots. You have to drive 20-30 minutes to get to a reservation to go to a “real” casino. Yee-haw!
I hate this article, and I’d suggest that the author is pretentious. This is a high-tech city. I have many more IT people here than I have airplane folks.
Toman, it all depends who you know. My airplane and tech friends are probably 50/50. It’s all opinion. Pretentious, as defined by Webster’s is: making usually unjustified or excessive claims. http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/pretentious
By claiming Seattle is just a high tech city could be considered pretentious in itself.
Alyssa, we hate visitors and we all wear fleece. Or at least we used to all wear fleece. And tevas with socks. Now Seattle is only a little behind the times, and parts like Capitol Hill are downright hipsterish. I’m holding out on the tapered look for another year though.
I don’t think there is much in the way of fashion jobs, but there are a lot of second hand clothing stores. And there are some art galleries.
Hey everyone!
I am moving to Seattle from Hawaii, big change, I know. Are there any jobs related to fashion/clothes/art, etc…?? How do people normally dress? I don’t want to stick out like a sore thumb. What towns are good to live in? And what is this “Seattle Freeze” all about?
Hi Alyssa,
Seattle does have a fledgling fashion awareness that have been developing recently. There are more, and boutiques in some of the neighborhoods like Capitol Hill, Ballard, Queen Anne, Downtown that have original designers featured, as well as interesting designers from elsewhere. Fremont’s Sunday Flea Market has been a launching pad for small scale designers for a while now, the most successful one I know of is Utililikilts which now has a store in Pioneer Square.
You might want to read the online version of Seattle Weekly, they have a blog called Thread Count that posts abouth art and fashion: http://www.seattleweekly.com/threadcount/
Job wise, I would say mostly retail customer service. There are a few companies doing design and but they tend to be more outdoor recreational , of course there is always Nordstrom!
Lots of gallaries, but most are small scale and I would imagine that any who can afford to hire, probably hire sales people with some education in art. You might be able to volunteer at a small gallery for some hands on experince, I did that for a short time after college.
Dustin has a blog link in sidebar under Seattle Neighborhood Blogs called Pike/Pine where the author takes “Man (Woman) on the Street” photos of ordinary people she captures in photos who have a certain creative fashion flair.
Welcome to Seattle!
alyssa,
The one purchase I made when moving to Seattle that I’ve used and used again is my fleece jacket from REI. The hiking boots are still like new though, as are most of the rest of the things I bought.
The REI salesman in L.A. said “Where are you going?” I said I’m moving to Seattle. He said, keep the receipt as you’ll be bringing most of this stuff back…it ain’t Alaska.”
deborah, ardell, and galen :
thanks for all your help. i’m sure everything will work out smoothly. and thank you deborah for that website! truly very helpful!!
Hi Everyone,
I currently live in South Orange County, CA and have been here for 15 of my 35 years… I need to start thinking of my career, and can no longer just live where I want to.
I put my resume out there, and have the opportunity to move to Boston, Atlanta or Seattle. Seattle seems the most interesting to me, but I’m worried about the weather and culture.
My wife has visited Seattle a couple of times when her parents were there for a year long job assignment. She loves the culture and seems to prefer it to any of my other choices.
My questions are:
1. Does the weather really make a person depressed?
2. We want to rent for the first year or two- my job will be near down-town and can afford about $2500 to $3500 per month. What is the best place to rent a house (3 bedroom) without a huge commute?
3. Is Seattle Pet-Friendly? We have two dogs.
4. My wife is a network administrator, how are IT jobs there?
Thank you for your input!
Ron
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Hi Ron645,
I moved here from Santa Ana in 1994, and I m glad that I did.
Your choices of cities looks good, although I have never lived in either of the other two, I would say our weather is much better, since the one summer I spent in Alabama taught me that high humidity is too oppressive for me.
Okay, now for your questions:
1) For some people the weather can be depressing, although we do have some spectacularly sunny days through out the year, even in winter.
2) Saturday I was looking at the rental market and I saw some good single family home lisitngs on the MLS for leases in Magnolia, and Queen Anne for between $2,300 and under $3,500 all of these are close communtes to Downtown. See mls #28007596, #27207920, #28005329, #27177638, and #2718209. You can also look on our local Craigslist to get a good idea.
3) VERY pet friendly!
4) Since we are a very tech savvy city I would say generally there should not be any problems in finding an IT job.
Also, you might want to look at this post I wrote yesterday: http://www.raincityguide.com/2008/01/14/why-did-you-move-to-seattle/
I hope this helps Ron!
Thank you for the information Deborah! I appreciate it and will call you if Seattle ends up being where we go…
I’ve been checking out Craigslist and see all sorts of beautiful houses for rent. It’s tough knowing the commuting issues though, just as someone moving to Greater LA would not know which freeways are bearable and which are horrible.
I guess that is what good realtors are for though 🙂
It is also tough since where we live will also be impacted by where my wife finds employment.
Again, thanks for the help!
Ron, as a native, I’d have to ask what is wrong with our weather? 😉
Back in 1976-77 we had a drought. The lack of rain drove me nuts. The first time it rained I actually went out and walked in it without a coat.
Also, you’ll find our freeway system perhaps congested, but not nearly as complicated as LA’s. Checkout Trafficgauge.com and compare their units for Seattle and LA.
Hi Ron645,
You are welcome!
If you and your wife do decide to move to Seattle, just let me know where your wife is likely to work, and we’ll put that into the mix with your being downtown (if that’s where you end up) to give you an idea of what area would be a good start for you to think about leasing.
The “Greater LA area” freeways are confusing to newcomers and the greater area is HUGE! 🙂
I’ll take LA freeways any day over crazy confusing Seattle freeways and surface streets. you all have offramp’s on the left side of the freeway!?!?
Seattle’s surface streets are confusing due to all our water.
I don’t mind the off-ramps on the left side–it’s the on-ramps on the left that I hate. Look at the Mercer one to I-5 North. It wouldn’t have cost that much to put the thing on the right side when they built I-5. To correct that mistake now would be terribly expensive.
BTW, two surface street things that will help.
1. Yesler and Madison are the only two streets that go through all the way east to west.
2. Jesus Christ Made Seattle Under Protest.
J=Jefferson and James
C=Columbia and Cherry
M=Madison and Marion
U=Union and University
P=Pike and Pine
It’s the order of the streets in the downtown core, although I may have the pairs mixed up.
And for proof you can find anything on the Internet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_layout_of_Seattle
I can’t imagine that confusing streets would be an issue now that everyone has GPS… Anything has to be better than sitting on the 405 in LA for three hours.
Now that I think of it, the rain there in Seattle is probably less depressing than enduring three hours of taillights and watching your life waste away.
From what I can determine, Seattle’s traffic was second worst in the nation behind LA in 2001, but 12th worst in 2006. So I wouldn’t come to Seattle expecting great traffic. We even have our own 405!
Kary, my choices at this point are Atlanta, Boston or Seattle… Atlanta traffic is really bad but I don’t know about Boston.
I just got off the phone with the company and found out that I will be in charge of a team of outside sales reps that cover everything north of the “90” and east of “the lake”, all the way up to the border.
Therefore, I would probably want to live east of Mercer Island even though my office would be just south of Seattle.
How is this area? Redmond, Bellvue, Everett etc…
Hi Ron645,
Lots of nice areas in that quadrant of “Seattle”. The eastside is a bit different from Seattle, since it was developed later after everyone bought cars. Larger lots and newer homes (scattered here and there are some older homes) built in the 50’s and still being built in newer subdivsions, more like Southern California. Better roads too! 🙂
Some cities would be; Bothell, maybe Woodinville if you would like a more rural area. Bellevue itself kind of reminds me of parts of Irvine and Mission Viejo, although with split levels and modern craftsman homes rather than mission or ranch homes.
Thanks again Deborah! I’m getting excited about Seattle now… I have more questions for you, but would like to go further into my situation.
1. As I’ve mentioned, my office will be south of downtown. A place called Tukwila. I will need to commute there and the aformentioned quadrent.
2. I have two dogs- a 103 lb. Doberman and a 50 lb. mut. They are both extensively trained and obedient. The Doberman placed #2 in the city for obedience training.
3. Our credit has always been good but not for long. My wife’s FICO was 740 and mine was 700. However, we will be short selling our properties here in SoCal. We have our house ($5200+ mortgage) and an income property ($3100 mortgage). They will most likely be short sales. We have owned several properties in the past with good history, and were never late on the current ones.
4. By the time we move out there, we will have plenty of cash to put down on a rental for deposits, pet deposits, etc.
Any suggestions?
Hi Ron645
Funny when I moved from Santa Ana (CA) I first rented an apt in Tukwila!
The commute between Bellevue and Tukwila can be not so fun although it would be a reverse commute if you were headed towards Tukwila in the AM from Bellevue, as traffic goes TOWARDS Bellevue, just as on the Seattle side traffic goes TOWARDS Seattle in the mornings and AWAY from Bellevue and Seattle in the evenings.
Leasing with two large dogs does make it more challenging, although the fact that they are well trained is good. You might want to have copies of their training certificates to give to potential landlords to demostrate that they have undergone training and are well behaved.
I am not sure exactly what kind of numbers in your credit scores landlords would be looking for, although what they would be looking for would to judge how likely you would be pay your rent and on time. If you have rented in the past 10 years you might want to contact your previous landlord (s) and ask them to be a reference for you.
If you are having to do short sales, you may not have as much cash as you think since a short sale would mean the lender having to take a loss and the lender would want to minimize their losses, which means that you may have to bring money at closing. You should talk to an RE lawyer in your area to find out exactly how a short sale will impact you. You may find out that renting your current properties would be better for you in the long run.
As to location for a rental, find out how often you would have to go to your office in Tukwila. If it’s often, then you might want to look at places from the I-90 and south ( like Newcastle). If you won’t be going to the office much, then I would look north of the I-5. You want to avoid having to drive through Bellevue between the I-90 and the I-5 if you can, just because that is where the most congestion is.
Let us know what you decide! 🙂
Hi,
My wife and I will soon be moving to the Seattle area from the UK… quite daunting to say the least! We do not know the city at all but we were thinking about the Renton (Highlands?) area. We are going to need to lease for 6 months so we can get to know the place a bit better then decide on where we are going to settle. However, like the previous post we have two large dogs (Lab and Boxer) that will be coming with us that could make thing difficult! Any suggestions on what we can do to make the process easier? Also, any general comments on the Renton neighbourhood?
Many Thanks,
K.
Hi K & T,
Wow, moving from the UK to Seattle is a jump! My best friend’s parents moved from the UK to the Southwest US, in the late 60’s but they lived in Canada for a few years before.
What lead you to consider the city of Renton and the Renton Highlands? Renton, which is Southeast of Seattle (and Lake Washington) is generally a “bedroom” community for comuting to Seattle and Bellevue. Renton is where one of the Boeing plants are, are you working for Boeing?
Renton, like a lot of areas around Seattle is experiencing a bit of revitalization in the downtown area, which is drawing some condo and business development in that area. The surrouding surburban Renton neighborhoods are mostly single family homes ranging from older 2 and 3 bedroom, 1 bath homes, and much larger (3 to 5 bedrooms with 2.5 or more baths) newer and new homes.
What I wrote about to Ron645 and his large dogs would be good ideas for you too. Seattle is a very dog friendly city, but landlords want assurances that their property is not abused, so whatever you can do to help them to know that you are responsible dog owners will help you. There may also be a pet deposit that you will have to make with your lease.
Depending on your lifestyle, and where you will be working, you may want to consider closer to Seattle so that you will have a more varied experience and have increased opportunity to experience differnet parts of Seattle and neighborhoods while you are leasing.
Good luck and keep in touch!
Hi Ron645,
I just realized when I was responding to K & T above about their dogs and read what I wrote to you, that I wrote the wrong freeway. It’s the 520 that you would want to live north of, not the I-5 which runs north and south!
I’m at a total loss on that one, K. Seems you would have to have a place lined up before you arrive. Or do hotels have accommodations for two big dogs? Seems to me…not. Best bet is a small, older house. You may have to rent it for a full year though. Most owners will not take on too big dogs at all, let alone on a short term lease. You may have to trade off condition of accommodations for the pet issue. Homes in the best condition will be less likely to agree to the pets.
Renton is not in my area of expertise, but I do believe you can likely find a house for rent there.
This is my day to link to prior pieces I did. K&T won’t get the humor about Renton, but some of the comments to the piece might be useful:
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/realestate/archives/128896.asp
We recently moved to the Renton area (Fairwood Greens) after looking pretty much all over King County (we only excluded the south half of Kent, Auburn and Federal Way as being too far south). The values in Renton are great, and most of the neighborhoods are well kept up. And while the commute is a bit longer than our prior commute from South Seattle, at least we have three options to get to Seattle (West to I-5, North on 405 to I-90 and straight through Renton to I-5, MLK, Rainier or Airport Way).
K&T,
Renton was my stomping grounds as a kid (it’s changed a lot!) and a few years ago, I used tour RE agents in conjunction with the Greater Renton Chamber of Commerce. Renton has many communities that each have their own characters and charm. There is Kennydale, the Highlands, downtown, Renton Hill, Fairwood…I know I’m missing a bunch. The City Council has been very busy reorganzing Renton over the years with reorganzing where the car lots used to be to a more convenient location right off the freeway and creating more of down town and common areas. They’ve also been busy promoting Renton, as Kary’s post demonstrates. 🙂 Where Renton used to be considered more of a blue-collar-working-class-Boeing-town…it’s changed a bit from that (and there’s a lot more to Renton than Boeing now). I hate to call it south Bellevue…but in my opinion it kind of is (nothing wrong with that I guess). Renton is conveniently located between Bellevue and Seattle…this also means you get to deal with the s-curbs (405).
I think Renton is a great place to live. 🙂 The Highlands was my old neighborhood…I’m a Hazen HS grad. It’s close to Issaquah or you can take Duvall through Newport Hills as a backstreet to Bellevue.
Good luck!
Thanks everyone – great responses!!
Firstly, we’ve decided on Seattle after considering a number of options but to cut a long story short the combination of lifestyle, cost of living and climate (it rains a lot here too!!) in Seattle just felt right!
I thought Renton would be a good option as we will probably both be working from home (we are both in the BioTech/Pharma field) but need good access to the freeway network and airport, it is close to the lake and the homes seem to be very affordable for an area that is undergoing a lot of rejuvination. To be honest though we could go anywhere but Renton ticked a lot of boxes – any other suggestion would be welcome!
To answer Ardell, we are going to come out for week about a month before we move to find a place and when we move the dogs will stay here for a week then follow us on! I think it will be tough to find a place, another option would be to live further away from the city, where the homes have more land and look to be more pet friendly but we don’t want to be isolated when we move.
One question on leasing, how long would it normally take from finding a place to moving in – here a month is standard but I need to make sure we time it right!
Thanks again – you’ve all been great!
K.
Hello again, everyone.
I posted here a few months ago about a move to Seattle, and as the time draws closer, I’m back again! This time I’m wondering if any of you have recommendations for temp employment agencies. I haven’t had much luck finding a job in my current field (I think the Rhode Island address on the resume is a bit off-putting!) and was thinking of trying to line up some temporary employment. I can’t really afford to move without a job, but I’d be happy to do just about anything while I’m looking for a permanent gig. I have a background in news but am looking to get into the PR/media relations/communications business. Any recs would be most helpful! I’m hoping to be in town by the beginning of March. Thanks in advance!
K
Keva – you could try Parker Professional Services (I think that’s what they’re called). They seem to place a lot of temps around town.
Wow, what a lot of helpful information! We are considering moving from Anchorage, Alaska in the next year or two. My husband is a chiropractor and I am a stay-at-home mom. What is the city planning like in Seattle? In Anchorage, because of an ineffient method of zoning, it is necessary to drive (lack of pedestrian pathways) 5 to 10 miles for any shopping from most residential zones. What areas of Seattle are the best for walking distances, and by walking distance I mean under 5 miles. Parks and outdoor activities are an extremely important part of our lifestyle. What areas would you suggest?
Hi K&T,
I think that the lead time for getting into a house for leasing is dependent on the terms of that particular lease, which can often be negotiated. To get an idea of what the leasing market is like try http://www.windermere.com because they allow rental searches, and http://www.craigslist.com (Seattle) to get a feel for what’s out there.
Your plan sounds good for timing and the dogs!
Hi Keva,
I just googled Seattle Temp agencies and got a lot of interesting sites, so you might try that. The only one I know of someone using is Accountemps (accounting) and they were happy with how that worked for them.
Good luck on the job hunt!
Hi Mrs. Doc,
Wow, 5 miles walking distance that’s pretty far! There are a lot of nieghborhoods close in the Seattle metro area that have nice little concentrated shopping areas with cafes, reataurants, shops, services, and some are close to great parks too. For the big shopping malls though they tend to be further out.
On the side panel there are some neighborhood blogs that you might want to check out, although many neighborhoods don’t have anyone blogging about them, yet! Keep your eyes on the side panel for more when we find them.
There is a site called walkscore that rates different neighborhoods by how walkable they are, although you do have to have an address to get a score. You could get addresses on one of the real esate websites for a sample house that you like and put in that address and get a walkability score and a list of the destinations that make up the final score. http://www.walkscore.com/walkable-neighborhoods.shtml
Seattle has a lot of outdoor recreation to enjoy, so you will feel right at home!
Ms. Doc – I am very partial to the core of Seattle for living near amenities. Capitol Hill, Fremont, Queen Anne, and the University District all have lots of stuff (groceries, shopping, restaurants) nearby housing. Parts of West Seattle, the Central Area, and Columbia City are also good. Kirkland is also a very walkable city.
(shameless plug) Estately.com has a “nearby” button for every property, so you can see what is nearby in terms of schools, parks, and restaurants. For an even more thorough look at what is nearby, you can type any address into walkscore.com.
Hi K&T,
As you noted from my previous post, we have a similar dog issue as well. I’m not as worried about it now though like I origionally was. We have a rental property here in California and I know what it is like having the place sit vacant for a few months while still writing the mortgage payment.
Since posting here I have spent a lot of time searching Craigslist and noticed that many of the houses for rent have been available for over a month or two- especially when you get into the $2000 and up range.
I suspect that if you are willing to put down a handsome deposit for your puppies, you wont have any problems since nobody likes to have there property sit vacant. At least that is my plan if we relocate to Seattle.
It’s final- we’re moving to Seattle! Just got the word today. So who here is a realtor? Need to find a rental house 🙂
I don’t do rentals, but if you give us the monthly amount, I’ll post the available rentals here with the numbers of the agents who have them listed for rent in the mls. Towns and price is all I need. Then check Craig’s list, etc…
Thank you so much for your help Ardell! I beleive that Realtors are like Attorneys and CPAs- worth their wieght in gold…
As for pricing, we would like to stay under $2500/mo if possible so we can save up. We would like a 3-bedroom house on the eastside.
Thanks again for the help.
Ron, a lot of rentals in the area are frbo – for rent by owner. Ardell is right – definitely check craigslist.
Hi Ron645,
The Windermere site I linked to on my comment #387 to K & T does allow searches for rental propery on the MLS, this link should take you to the rental search page:
http://www.windermere.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Listing.SearchPropertyAddress&ptyp=6
Then you can browes what’s available there to find out if there is something that appeals to you, many have photos and should be mappable from the listing too so you can see where the house is.
Comment #387 also has a link to Craigslist too.
Let us know how you are doing!
Ron,
Looks pretty good actually. I checked Bellevue, and 15 of the 26 houses for rent allow pets. One even has a dog run. We usually don’t contact people via email that comment here as it is bad “blogform”. But since I can see the ones that allow pets as that option exits in the mls search function, I’ll email you the string of property that permits pets with some restrictions.
Agents fees are only 25% of a month’s rent, so after the office split they’d only make $465 on a rental of $2,500. But I once found an agent willing to do me a favor for an RCG reader with two dogs. In fact she found them a house that was FRBO that paid her nothing at all. She was “newly married Marty” and was coming here after the wedding 🙂
I’ll send you the email of properties. Keep in touch and I’ll try to find someone who is available. If you can narrow it down from the string I’m sending that would help, though the list would need to be updated the day before you arrive.
Best of luck to you. We’ll be as much help as we can. RCG readers get “special treatment”.
Ron,
I sent 29 properties that seem to allow pets. 15 from Bellevue and 14 from Renton. One very nice home asking $1,950 in Kennydale/Renton said “pets: no restriction”. I sent that in the group and sent it again separately. You can check the locations against where you will be working.
That should give you ample to choose from. If you email me the ones you like, I’ll send you the listing agent’s contact info if you want to rent direct from the listing agent.
Ardell and Deborah,
Have a question(s): Why is it that Seattle itself seems a little cheaper for a comparable home than the East Side? Also, why is Renton so inexpensive? Is traffic terrible or something?
Thanks! Ron
Ron, you didn’t ask me, but IMHO, Seattle many Seattle neighborhoods are not kept up that well compared to what you see on the eastside. Renton is cheap because of the commutes, but I don’t think they’re necessarily any worse than the commutes to the north end of Lake Washington. And it doesn’t seem to have the inventory problems the north end has had.
Thanks Kary… Is the traffic any worse from the North End, or is the North end better? My office is in Tukwila, but I will supervise 6 account executives that cover north of the 90 and west of the lake all the way up to the border so I will have to accompany them frequently.
I suspect that my wife will work on the east side since she is in the IT field, but who knows- she may get a job downtown.
Do you think the North end is better?
Hi Ron,
North or South would depend on how often you would have to be at your office in Tukwila. If you’re at the Tukwila office more times per week than traveling with the 6 AE’s then Renton would be good. But if you’re seldom at the Tukwila office I would say you’d be much better off living north of the 520.
Living north of the 520 would give you a jump start in the right direction for your territory. The 405 has more lanes for commuters north of the 520, the 405 has fewer lanes south of the I-90, that makes some difference in traffic. Living north of the 520 would also put you in a reverse commute to Tukwila on the 405 after the I-90 interesection, although you would have heavy traffic on the 405 going south to and through Bellevue.
The reverse would be true if you lived in Renton, heavy traffic going north to and through Bellevue, then after passing the 520 you would have the reverse commute and traffic would be lighter.
The link I sent does have mapping for the listings so you should be able to see how those houses relate north and south to the I-90 and 520.
Remember, you are going to have the opportunity to “test” how the commutes are since you are leasing 🙂
Tukwila will usually be flexible- when I get there, I get there type of thing. As for the territory, what usually happens is I will meet the AE somewhere and leave a car behind.
What if my Kerry gets a job on the East Side? Is there any difference in commute there from North Bend and Renton area?
Hi Ron,
North Bend is a bit out there, and everyone goes one direction to and from work, west towards Bellevue then spliting off either south or north or continuing west to Seattle.
If Kerry were to work in Bellevue or Redmond it’s not too long of a commute, although it’s a heavy one once you get to Issaquah. There is a good park and ride in Issaquah (Bellevue too) if she were to work in downtown Seattle. There was a post about that not too long ago, I’ll see if I can locate it and link it.
Since Tukwila is flexible, I would say north of 520 or out east would work better for you and Kerry.
Hi Ron,
Here is the link: http://www.raincityguide.com/?s=park+and+ride&searchbutton=Site+Search
Thanks again Deborah! Appreciate the advice 🙂
You’re Welcome Ron! 🙂
My husband and I are both RN’s. We are planning on moving to seattle in about a year and a half. Does anyone have any opinions on Harborview hospital, Swedish hospital, or Northwest hospital? How about Northgate neighborhood? We are both also avid roleplaying gamers. WE dont really like D&D, but are interested in games like Warhammer, Mutants & Masterminds, Hollow Earth and similar games. We visited the area about three weeks ago and loved it, and are hoping to find friends with similar interests. I hope to hear from some others about what we can expect when we move there. We have lived in Knoxville TN for the past 6 yrs and talk about a small minded, freeze out mentality, we had to import a friend from Florida. Well thanks for any help you can offer.
Terry, I once met some dudes who play non D&D roll playing games, but I don’t know which one. If you want to email me at (my name) at Estately.com I could try to hook you up with them. I think they throw a yearly party that in some way attracts a lot of gamers, but that may have been different.
I grew up near Northgate (Lake City) – it’s very commercial. The area has good freeway access, relatively inexpensive housing, and, well, Northgate Mall. Here is 43places take: http://www.43places.com/places/view/249110/northgate-seattle-king-county
As for the hospitals, I know people have very strong opinions about Harborview (in both directions), but I don’t really know much about the other two.
Harborview is the burn center, and also sort of the public hospital. Swedish is probably considered the premier hospital in Seattle. I don’t know about Northwest, but there’s also Valley General down in Renton, and the Virginia Mason in Seattle proper (near Swedish).
North Seattle is a relatively expensive area for what you get, but it’s reasonably nice, depending on the street.
I have some clients that are into some type of gaming, but I don’t know which ones. They’re south end (Kent) however.
Hello,
My girlfriend and I are moving to the Seattle area in a month or two. While I will have a relocation assistance person, I was wondering if I could get some additional local advice for what neighborhoods to look at, especially with some varied commuting requirements. I’ll be working in Redmond, so I initially thought Kirkland. But my girlfriend may be getting a position that will have her going regularly to locations in Sea-Tac, downtown, and Kirkland. We plan on renting for up to a year and then buying a house. Our tentative budget is approximately 2000-2500/month (rent or mortgage). We currently live near Washington, DC, in an area that can be described as a “small town in the city”, near the river, and are looking for a similar environment. Ideas have included the north side (University and surrounding areas), Capitol Hill (trendiness alert?), Kirkland, and Bellevue (too suburban and upscale?). We’re definitely not suburban folks, more “semi-urban”, wanting to be able to walk within 15 minutes to grocery stores and restaurants. Any better ideas?
thank you in advance,
Mark
Hi Mark,
The tricky thing is that one of you will have a commute accross either the 520 or I-90 bridges at some point.
Since your girlfriend may occassionally be in Kirkland, and you are in Redmond, I would stay on the Eastside if you don’t want to have to take on the bridge traffic. The Eastside while more suburban than the areas you mentioned in your comment, does have concentrated areas (like downtown Kirkland and Bellevue) that might work for you.
Since you are leasing for a year, you might want to give the Seattle side a try to have the experience and get immersed in Seattle life while you have the flexibility to do so.
Post #396 has a link to a site that allows you to look at rentals on the MLS so you can see for lease properties in your range.
If you do look on the Seattle side, check out Greenlake, Wallingford, Fremont, Ravenna, Leschi, Madrona, and Madison Valley. Comment #389 has a link to Walkscore that can give you an idea what is close to each of the listings you like, just put in their address.
I hope your relocation goes wonderful!
Hi Mark,
I posted a similar question here several weeks ago when I wasn’t sure if I would be moving up there. Well, I am….
My new employer is flying my wife and me up next week, so I will get an “outsiders” view of the area and report back to you. We’re in a very similiar situation.
Ron
Hi Ron,
Congratulations on coming to Seattle!
That is a great idea to post back here to give Mark your “take” on it’s like! 🙂
what are yalls opinions on living in seattles’ Capital Hill area?
Ive read its more bohemian, its the art district, but are alot of drugs.
is this the poorer side of town? Are there gangs and such? Or is it like hippie drug kinda things?
i am interested in living in a very eclectic kinda area, because ive always grown up in the southern part of the southern town in south. So things are very baptist conservative.
i dont mind the drugs, as long as its not a crack town or something… U know, i dont want to live next to a meth lab or something, but living next to some pot heads or something really wouldnt bother me, even though I dont do drugs.
What do u know about capital hill?
Mark,
There are three short term rental places in Kirkland where you can start out and then take your time figuring it out. Kirkland Downtown and Lake area all three. Not suburban, and fairly trendy.
Two are on Central and one is on Lake Washington Blvd. Your relo agent should know them and they rent for three months and up. You can rent for three months and then extend or leave. Gives you lots of options.
One is The Villaggio at Yarrow Bay
http://www.villaggiokirkland.com/
Second is The Westwater in the heart of Downtown Kirkland
http://www.executiveresidence.com/corporate-housing-seattle/corporate-housing-westwater.htm
Westwater is at 1st and Central. There’s another up around 6th that I think is called Terra. I pass it twice a day. But I can’t find a link to it.
My recommendation is move with few things first (you can get them furnished even sometimes) into a three month rental in Kirkland until you get a feel for what works for both of you.
Just wanted to give Kudos to Dustin for this blog… the search engines love it… Great site for us future seattlites (is that what they’re called?).
Thanks Deborah, again…. Look forward to living next to you!
Thanks Ron! This post in particular gets a ridiculous amount of google traffic. Thanks to the 400+ comments, there’s simply a wealth of information on this page!
Hi Ron,
You’re welcome for the info, and Welcome to Seattle! 🙂
Hi Jo,
While Capitol Hill is electic/bohemian/trendy, it’s actually a fairly expensive area for buying. Fortunately there is a lot of rentals because the area attracts many people looking for an urban lifestyle.
Another area you might want to look at would be Fremont, the self proclaimed “Center of the Universe”. While it has become “gentrified” over the past few years, it is still marches to it’s own drummer…or Solstice Parade… 🙂
http://seattlesurbanvillages.typepad.com/seattles_urban_villages/fremont/index.html
Hi everyone!
Hubby and I were thinking about relocating to Seattle. We live in Miami, he grew up here, I’m a NYer (love it and miss it like crazy, but we don’t want to raise our kids there). Anyway, I think I can handle the climate, but I am worried about him. He loves to bbq and go to the beach, so I think it would be difficult for him to adjust. We’re just SO over Miami, we think Seattle may be a happy medium. Any advice?
Hi Eves,
Well, I’d say Seattle is VERY different from Miami! 🙂
We do have a couple of nice beachy communities, one on Puget Sound; Alki Beach in West Seattle, and the other on Lake Washington in Kirkland.
There are also great beaches in Golden Gardens in the Ballard and Loyal Heights areas, as well as various other parts of Lake Washington along the western side between the 520 Freeway and Seward Park. There are smaller beaches through out the area. Greenlake, while not really a beach, is a great place to walk, jog, ride a bike and rollerblade around, and is a nice community to live.
Lots of outdoor activites to enjoy in Seattle and the Pacific Northwest, so if you both enjoy outdoor fun, then you will like Seattle. We also have many wonderful urban places; restaurants, cafes, coffee shops, shops, galleries, museums, parks and events to spend your off time.
People do BBQ a lot here, but we sometimes do it under overcast skies and our Seattle drizzle.
Still, Seattle is very different, I would suggest that you both come for a visit to check Seattle out. I moved here myself from Southern California without knowing anyone, or having visited other than to the Worlds Fair when I was three. So you never know!
Seattle actually has a fairly mild climate, and the rains are usually light compared to other parts of the country. Lots of water, and then there’s this stuff called Gortex! 😀
What’s Gortex??? Do I need to get some?
That’s the same question my brother asked. He moved to CA well before the invention of Gortex, and didn’t know what it was.
It’s a water proof fabric that breaths well so the sweat goes out, but the rain stays out too. It’s used in coats and boots, etc. Somewhat expensive.
Ardell/Deborah/Ron,
Thank you for your advice. We’ll be up in the area this coming weekend for a look around at properties, planning to move up the beginning of March. I’ll let you know what we find and decide when we get back.
One other question. I’ve been following the Case-Schiller and OFHEO ratings, and it seems to me that the Seattle area is reaching a plateau in pricing. With the rest of the country already strongly trending down, looking at past economic trends I wonder if Seattle trails the rest of the country by about 2 years or so?
And I talked with a mortgage company today, asking about rates and lock-ins. they quoted me only an additional 1/8% for a 6 month lock-in, making me think that they think the rates will stay relatively flat over the next 6 months.
thanks,
Mark
Mark, Seattle has historically been more stable than other cities. You can compare cities at the bottom of the page of this link:
http://mysite.verizon.net/vodkajim/housingbubble/
That’s not to say it won’t go down, but it has been more steady in the past.
Also, we’re talking about the yet to be released stats for January here:
http://www.raincityguide.com/2008/02/03/hold-on-to-your-hats-sunday-night-stats/
You might find that interesting because it does mention different neighborhoods.
GORE-TEX® (with an E) apparel are to the Pacific Northwest what the surfshorts are to southern Cal…
Hi Mark,
We are trending a bit behind the rest of the country since our market was slower to heat up after the “dot-com bust”. And because the mortgage melt down has caused a slow down on buyers being able to get loans last fall, we seem to be “coasting” to a more stable market, although some believe that we will experience a drop in prices. Right now it’s hard to say which senario will be correct, although I think it will be a mix; some areas may decline (outlying suburban areas and houses that are in poor shape, location etc. since with a larger inventory buyers can pick the best ones) and many homes in areas closer in, well maintained, good locations will increase a bit.
Have fun coming to Seattle this weekend and bring a rain coat or windbreaker (GORE-TEX!) because the weatherman says it’s going to rain! 🙂
Hi Mark and Deborah,
We will also be in Seattle this weekend… Thursday through Monday. Staying at a place called Hotel 1000 which I beleive is downtown. I am trying to figure out what kind of coat to buy- something “appropriate” for Seattle. I don’t own any coats (live in SoCal).
If your close, I will buy you guys a beer :p
Kary,
I opted for my winter silk and fleece today. Quite toasty 🙂 Fleece!!! You can’t beat fleece. I even have fleece pants.
Ron,
Do what I do. Stop by REI in L.A. and pick up some warmer stuff on clearance. In L.A. this time of year, the stuff that is just great for Seattle right now is usually on clearance.
Deborah,
Maybe you should define “closer in” for Mark 🙂
Ardell,
That’s a great idea! I was going to go to Burlington, then though I would just see what people were wearing up there and buy in Seattle. I want something that can function as casual and trendy at the same time.
I got some of my REI stuff in L.A. at 75% off. You don’t need much. I got way too much stuff. The salesman said where are you going? I said Seattle. He laughed and said “Keep your receipt…it ain’t Alaska”. 🙂
I’ll take your advice and go there 🙂
Will I need those yellow rubbery boots too?
Ron,
I’ll go take a picture of my rubber boots and post it here in a minute.
I had to write a whole blog post about my boots to get a url for the photo.
http://activerain.com/blogsview/366272/Seattle-has-some-very
Wow Ardell! Those are f-ing SEXY 😛
I wonder if they come with 4 inch rubber heels 🙂
Getting too much for this thread I think! But yeah, that would be the….
😛
Here in Seattle you learn pretty fast to have fun with the wet days. No umbrellas. Rarely do you see someone with an umbrella. It’s like wearing TOURIST on your forehead.
Deborah,
I have my ocean grade foul weather gear from offshore sailing – I think that’ll be good enough. 😉
Ardell,
Nice wellies!
Mark
Hi Ron,
Oddly enough I bought a nice warm coat at the Burlington Coat Factory in Huntington Beach before I moved…I was afraid I’d freeze in Seattle! 🙂
I think that you will find that a sporty leather jacket with a sweater (or sweat shirt) and long sleeved t-shirt will be enough most of the time. When we have freezing weather (not very often) is when you would likely need more.
Try a beer at the Pike Place Brewery in Pike Place Maket…nice views of the Sound!
Hi Mark,
LOL! Hey you could get a seasonal job on one of the crab fishing boats based in Salmon Bay (Seattle’s fishing fleet) for the Alaskan crab season (a la Discovery’s ‘Most Dangerous Job”) with gear like that! 🙂
Hi ARDELL,
Fabulous boots to hop in a rain puddle with! Very playful 🙂
Mark, this has nothing to do with rate expectations of the lender:
“And I talked with a mortgage company today, asking about rates and lock-ins. they quoted me only an additional 1/8% for a 6 month lock-in, making me think that they think the rates will stay relatively flat over the next 6 months”
It is simply the cost for a longer lock time frame. 🙂
Rhonda, Thanks for the link to your page, nice to see some sample numbers.
Deborah, Love your “urban villages” reviews/surveys on your personal blog page, hope to see more soon. And while I probably could get a seasonal job like that, I think I’m getting a bit too old for that kind of “fun”. 🙂
A future coworker recommended the Sand Point, Wallingford, and Greenlake neighborhoods. Any comments? Again, our main commuting requirements will be my job in Redmond, and hers going to Downtown/Waterfront, Sea-Tac, and Redmond. He also offered up Bellevue and Kirkland (which he said may be more expensive???). Previously here I described us as “semi-urban”, wanting to be able to walk to stores/shops and around the neighborhood, not suburban folks at all (so no Lake Sammamish area).
Also, does anybody have any recommendations for a 24 hour Veterinary hospital? Are there vets that have staff with specialists (cardiac, endocrinology/urinary, geriatrics)?
And here’s the oddball request. I know about the asian markets in the international district. What about Middle Eastern food markets, specifically Turkish?
thanks!
Mark
Hi everyone,
I’m moving to Seattle at the end of the month from Miami. I visited 4 times last year, even during the cold month of January. I really liked the city, the vibe and people seem to be really nice. I’ve been living in Miami for almost 10 years and I think I’m over it.
I will be working in Everett, but I don’t wanna live so up north from Seattle. I don’t mind a long commute, here I drive around 35 miles to work each day, but always against traffic, so it takes me 40 minutes to get to work. I can’t stand traffic.
Some friends have told me that Bothell or Kirkland would be good options. How’s the traffic driving north from these communities to Everett? How’s the renting market?
And finally how’s the nightlife? I know it won’t compare to wild Miami, but there must be good places to go.
Thanks for your help!!
oh yeah, also the South Lake Union area.
thanks,
Mark
I was cop in Seattle and saw alot of deaths from some low grade heroin. If you can stay off you have a good chance of making it. The outdoor market is great.
Hi Mark,
Thanks! 🙂
Sandpoint might not be as urban as you might want, both Wallingford and Green Lake both have a nice neighborhood “downtown” the are great walk around places. The commutes might be a little long, but you should definitly check them out.
Hmmmm, Turkish…well there is Turkish Delight in Pike Place Market, but it’s a restaurant.
I don’t have personal knowledge of a vet clinic that you are asking about, I go to a specialist avian vet, but I found this in Lake City:http://www.criticalcarevets.com/index.htm and I am sure there must be more…Seattle is really dog friendly!
Hi Yas,
Sorry I don’t know that much about Snohomish county (Everrett) you might want to look at Edmunds, although it’s going to be really different from Miami! Maybe another contributor or reader will have some suggestions.
I think you would have a reverse commute if you lived closer to Seattle and commuted north to Everett, but it would still take a while.
Do any of the real estate folks here have any comments on the article in yesterdays/todays PI? Does it match what you see?
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/350266_housing07.html
thanks,
Mark
Mark, I was commenting on the stats in the “Sunday Night Stats” thread here.
King County is a real mixed bag. The main story is low volume, but not nearly as low as I thought it would be.
But the south end didn’t do well, parts of the north end did very well, and the mix was such that overall it was slightly up YOY.
The big news is the volume. That needs to recover. I didn’t look at the pendings extensively, but some of the harder hit areas did seem to be doing a bit better, so maybe the volume issue is correcting??????
BTW, I hear the Times spun the figures in a more negative way, but I haven’t read that yet.
Mark, one more thing. Agents don’t “see” more of the market, in that they don’t notice things while they’re out. What we see is far too small. But we do have access to more and better data–data split out more ways.
As to the first point, I had no idea that King County’s volume would be so low in December. We were incredibly busy. Just looking at our small part of the market I’d have thought the volume was up. That’s why you need to turn to the data, not impressions.
Folks,
An update. Yesterday we drove around Kirkland, Bellevue, Capitol Hill, Queen Anne, Wallingford, Green Lake, looking at neighborhoods. Today we put a deposit on an apartment in Kirkland (near Carillon) with incredible views and we’re very happy with it. Have to recommend “Cactus” as a great restaurant in Kirkland.
Thanks for you help and support!
Mark
So happy for you, Mark! It’s fabulous around here when the weather warms up. You’re going to have a great Spring and Summer. Give me a call sometime and stop by, neighbor. I live just North of the Downtown Area, and walkable from Lake and Central.
Hi Mark,
Oh, you are going to love it there, the drive and walk along side Lake Washington Blvd is really nice! Of course, ARDELL as a neighbor is the extra bonus! 🙂
Welcome to Seattle!
I am considering relocating my family back to the pacific northwest (we lived in Portland for many years) and we are strongly considering Seattle. We are having a tough time deciding between Seattle and southern California. I wouldn’t normally ask strangers for an opinion, but this decision is really difficult. My wife and I aren’t really agreeing, (she prefers southern California and I prefer Seattle), but neither one of us feels strong enough to take a stand. Incidentally, I favor Seattle for the lower cost of living. Any thoughts?
Hi John,
I would recommend having you and your wife write down on separate sheets of paper the things that are the most important to each of you. For example, good public schools, polution, traffic, commute time, crime stats, affordability, weather, and so forth. Then each of you would rank them in order. Now you can compare your lists. Start with just the top two or three things and research just those things for the two areas.
Also, consider that whatever area wins, you might not like it. You could be faced with moving again within a few years. So, you could also factor this in. When doing so, consider how hard it would be to sell a home IF you’ve decided to purchase a home as part of your relo.
Low cost of living is all relative. Do you mean home prices? Rent prices? Well that depends on where you decide to live.
Example: If great schools are both in your top priority list, yet you choose based on lower cost of living, what if the schools in that area are awful? Now you’re increasing your COL expenses by having to pay for private schools.
Good luck!
John,
I have LOTS of thoughts on that 🙂 When I first moved here in early 2004, part of my reasoning was the lower cost of housing compared to “The South Bay”. Today I can’t really say the same, as I’m sure I can find a nice home in a nice area in Hermosa Beach or South Redondo, for the same price as the one I own here in Kirkland. The house might be smaller, but I’d be able to walk to the Beach. Trade offs.
The primary factor has to to with whether or not you have children, or are going to have children, in my opinion. Clearly, without question or doubt, which is the better place to raise your children is a factor that should be high up on your list. Not simply school performance, but total environment issues.
If you don’t have children and aren’t going to have children, I’d let your wife win this battle. If you do, then hold out for Seattle. I have significant experience in that regard. I would stay in Seattle forever, if I could get my daughter to come with my grand daughter. Nothing else would matter. Not how I feel or how Kim feels, if I could get my grand daughter and daughter up to the Seattle Area, I am absolutely positive that she would have a healthier upbringing, even though she now lives in one of the “richest” places in the world.
My $.02 YMMV
Hi Everyone,
Well, we got back from my employee sponsered visit yesterday. We were there for five days and fell in love with the city…
Here are some honest observations from an Orange County person’s point of view for all considering your fine city:
The Topography- Lots of water and trees! Stunning!
The City- Absolutely amazing! Feeling safe in a such a dynamic and goreous major city is intoxicating. So much to do and see. We never got bored.
The Suburbs- Not so amazing IMO. We visited Bellvue, Redmond, Everett and many inbetween. However, unlike Orange County if you live there, a quick trip to the city is easy. Anything cultural around OC is almost prohibitive due to traffic and distance and there is no epicenter like there is in Seattle. Hell, we don’t even have a football team to drive too.
The Traffic- Please don’t ever let me hear anyone complain about Seattle traffic again. We had to drive from or to the the Suburbs during rush hour a couple of times and it was heavy with a lot of stop and go. But compared to OC and LA it is NOTHING. And, when it wasn’t rush hour, the freeways move. Imaging that.
The Weather- It’s freaking cold to us. The rain was light when it did rain, the overcast is bearable with actual cloud formations. Here in SoCal, when it is overcast or raining the sky is an endless monotone gray. The sun did come out a couple of times and it was beautiful. This however seems like the only drawback of Seattle to me. It will take some adjusting on our part.
The People- Everyone we encountered in the area was very nice and engaging despite all the things I’ve read on the internet. The really nice thing about the people we ran into there was absence of pretention and arrogance (which is thick enough in OC/LA to cut with a knife). It is nice to go to a bar and meet people without having to hear about what kind of car they drive, what area code they live in, how much money they make, etc…
Well, I will be there soon my future neighboors! Hopefully this will help people like us looking to relocate up there.
Fabulous wrap up, Ron!
We very much appreciate your taking the time to post it.
I had to laugh at your bar encounter. In L.A. I once brought a Philly Girl with me, and the guys kept asking her what she did, and she kept telling them the truth. Then they asked her what she wanted to be doing, and she answered what she WAS doing, of course, why else would she be doing it. Finally out of exasperation they said “What’s your STORY?!?!” She had no clue that they were all living in their own movie and they couldn’t lie to her if she didn’t return “the favor” LOL It was fun to watch.
Hi Ardell,
Thats funny- but so typical here. In LA it is just like your experience. In Orange County its all about what company you own and where your house is, blah, blah, blah.
For the record, people in Seattle are very nice and NOT fake. Not fake and pretentious like here in SoCal, and not fake and insincere like I’ve encountered in the South.
YES!!! I’m amazed at how quickly you figured that out! Amazing! It’s why I love it here. It is almost identical to the Philly/Bucks County lifestyle I am from and love dearly.
Of course you can find snooty anywhere, if you are looking for it. But by and large, Seattle is REAL and good people.
Ron,
Ditto on the traffic. Worst we saw was on the approach to the 520 bridge heading westbound around 2 or 3 on Friday. But it was MOVING, which even the locals admitted the worst almost always did. Compared to 4 to 6 hour long DC traffic “rush” hours that are parking lots daily, this was amusing.
People seem more family oriented. My new team hosted me for a happy hour. Literally. I was used to meeting the folks after work for 4 to 6 hours back hour (partly avoiding traffic, partly because most people I knew did not have kids), so people bailing at 6 to go home was odd. This also seemed to affect eating out as well – DC peak restaurant time is 730 to 830, whereas Eastside seemed to be between 5 and 6, with the streets rolled up after 8.
Mark
Aloha!!!
I’m so stoked that I found this link. I’ve been seriously thinking/trying to move from Molokai, Hawaii to Seattle. Crazy thing is, I’ve never been to Seattle other than the airport on my way to the Pasco airport to visit distant relatives in Tri-cities. I’m 28 yrs. old and have never made such a huge move in my life. I’ve recently broken up with my boyfriend of 12 yrs. and NEED a change in my life. I don’t know what it is, but something about Seattle just seems so young, fresh, uplifting, & romantic that i’m really looking forward to making this move. I’ve been applying for jobs online (State, Federal & County employment). I’ve qualified for a few and even got to the point of getting an interview, but for some reason i was told they only do phone interviews for in-state applicants (hello!! I’m in Hawaii & they only gave me three (3) days notice to get up there…ugh!!!) I’m currently working for the State of Hawaii Dept. of Health so I’m looking more into government employment rather than private companies. I’m so new to this and would appreciate any and all information/suggestions.
Hi Mahie,
I have never been to Hawaii, so I can’t give you a comparison, and while Seattle is beautiful…tropical it is not! 🙂
Have you thought of coming out for a week to check it out and maybe set up some interviews while you are here? It might give you a chance to “test drive” Seattle. Six months after I moved here, a friend asked to visit for a week to check Seattle out and take her portfolio around to some grahic design studios as a way to see if she liked Seattle (she did!) and check out the employment potential. My friend did move to Seattle (Capitol Hill) about 6 weeks later and had a job offer from one of the firms she took her portfolio to.
With such a big move, it might be a good idea to make a short visit first, although while that is my advice, that is not what I did. However, I had been moving around a while by the time I decided to move to Seattle, and if it did not work out, I would have moved to the Bay Area.
Anyway, someone else here may have something else to say or a better idea or take on your question….someone who has been to Hawaii! : -)
Hi Ron!
Glad to see that your visit went so well! 🙂
Our topography is beautiful and seeing the Sound and the snow covered mountains (Mt Rainier!) surounding the City always takes my breath away….I am a view girl through and through!
Nice recap of what Seattle looks like to a person considering moving here! We’re glad that except for the (cold…brrrr we had so much snow in the passes the week you were here) that everything is better than you expected.
So let us know where you have decided to make your new home in the Seattle area…we’ll be waiting and Welcome! 🙂
Aloha Deborah,
I think what attracts me to Seattle is that it is beautiful, lush, green and of course the water is ever present, which having grown up on an island and seeing the water everyday everywhere I go, it’s somehow conforting to know that I can still see water when I do move up there.
I’m actually planning on coming up there for a week or so to paln interviews. Do you know any guides or sites that list employment opportunities with good, stable, solid companies???
I can’t wait to make this move.
Hi Mahie!
There is water all over the place here! 🙂
I am glad that you are planning to come out for a week to check Seattle out and line up some interviews to get a feel of the area, always a good idea.
I haven’t had any personal experience with sites, but when I Googled “emplotyment websites Seattle” I found (of course) a zillion. Since you are already have a government job, here is the link for Seattle:
http://www.seattle.gov/html/business/employment.htm
Washington State:
http://careers.wa.gov/
Puget Sound Help Wanted – Seattle:
http://regionalhelpwanted.com/p/jobs_city/184/Seattle/?SN=184
Craigslist has some interesting postings to check out:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/
Have fun looking at the possibilities online and visiting Seattle. Keep in touch to let us know what you decide to do!
Hi Deborah,
Three more days and my over-packed car and me will be enjoying the 18 hour drive to Seattle 🙂
Thank you and everyone else for all the help and advice!
Like Mahie said, it was a great blog to find…
Ron
Aloha Deborah,
I’ve been busy checking all the sites you’ve listed. Thank you thank you thank you for that. I’m planning an April trip (I wish it could be sooner) to head up there and check things out. I’m trying to set up interviews at that time. I’ll be scouting out housing as well. Do you recommend any particular city? I’m looking to find employment in the downtown area.
Have a safe trip Ron.
A hui hou,
Mahie
Thanks Mahie 🙂
Hi Ron,
Have a safe trip!
Be sure to rest if you need to…I was so tired from driving from just north of LA to somewhere south of Portland that I hallucinated hitting deer on the highway! I could not wait to find a motel to finally get some sleep….had to find one that allowed pets at 1 AM.
Glad that we’ve been of help! 🙂
Hi Mahie,
April is a beautiful month to be in Seattle!
I’m glad the links were helpful, and that there is a good job offer to be found in one of them for you!
If you are looking to work downtown, then try and stay in Seattle and look for an apt in a neighborhood that you can easily take the bus into downtown. Places near Aurora (Green Lake) , 15th Ave. NW (Ballard, west slope of Queen Anne) Queen Anne, Capitol Hill as some possibilities.
Have fun on your visit and let us know what happens! 🙂
Hello all,
Well I am moving to Seattle a week from Tuesday and I am so excited to come live there! Currently I live in Cincinnati, Ohio and I will be attending UW in Seattle. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions to finding an inexpensive apartment in Seattle? In Cincinnati a great apartment with ALL the amenities is about $550 and the same in Seattle is about $900….outrageous! I have checked craigslist, seattlerentals.com, Northwest apts, epic assest management and so on. Don’t know if I should just go to Seattle and look around or actually have a few picked out before I get there?
If anyone has any suggestions or comments to what I should do, I would be oh so grateful! Thank-you!
Students generally rent at least as two roommates and often more. Many of the homes house 5-6 students, townhomes often 3. Absolutely come and look around for signs as many don’t advertise. There is likely one or more sources on bulletin boards on campus as well.
I don’t wander that area or I’d look for the For Rent signs for you. Maybe someone else here walks or drives around that area more often than I do.
It’s a gorgeous day today. No jacket required, sunny and pleasant. You are definitely coming at the right time, though there well be bad and good days from here forward, with the good ones starting to outweigh the bad ones at an increasing pace.
Ardell is right – wander around. The UW housing board is pretty decent source of information and Craigslist is always great.
If you want something decent for under 600-700 in the city, you’ll need to lo going to find a room in a house. You may be able to find a 250 sqft space with a trundle bed for 600 or something on the fringes of town, but there are some decent 3-4 bedroom places in the U-District / Wallingford area that rent for $2,000 a month or so. It’s more work and you might have to wait to find them, but they’re there.
Don’t plan on living within walking distance unless you are cool paying more or slumming it. North of 65th, at least 5 blocks from Greenlake might be a good area to look. Lake City has some cheaper spots. Homes within a few blocks of Aurora are often less expensive and seem to house a disproportionate number of students.
Good luck!
Near Green Lake on the “Duke’s” side has always had decent student rentals. Some really close to the lake and even with views. Behind Aurora off of Linden is a good place to look. Look for Beth’s Cafe and then go behind there on the same side of Aurora.
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I think getting input from a longtime local can be a bit different as they have grown their gills. I never actually lived in Seattle, but went to school in Vancouver, BC and worked south of Seattle in the summers. I was originally from Western Montana. I can’t speak directly to living in Seattle, but I can speak to the weather and the general area. I loved rainy days in MT, but you can’t compare a rainy day or thunderstorm here and there with the constant low thick cloud cover and drizzle for 90 days straight (that number is from the first year I lived in Van). If you are OK with that, good for you, but it’s important to be realistic if you are relocating. I really struggled with the weather even after living there for 5 years. There is a mantra; “It rains a lot, but when the sun come out there’s nothing so beautiful”. This is true… if you can handle waiting until mid July. The other thing that’s a bit tricky is when people say it’s so easy to get out of town. Well, I worked at a vacation area “out of town” and on the weekends everybody would get away from the crowds to go join… well… the crowds who are trying to get away from the crowds. Don’t get me wrong, I think Seattle is beautiful and I love hanging out there, but I think it’s very smart to think realistically about the move. I moved away a few years ago and I have to admit, after all that rain, you really appreciate a good hair day.
Hi Dee,
The weather does wear on some people (many) those in particular to Seasonal affective disorder, SAD. For me the “relentless sunshine of Southern California would get me down. We do get dazzeling days through out the year in between the gray days of Seattle.
OK everyone, I’ve been posting on here for a few months now and I just wanted to add something.
The “Seattle Freeze” is B.S.
I have never met a better combination of nice and sincere people in a city before… And I’ve lived in and visited a lot of them.
I finally moved up here 5 days ago, and couldn’t be happier.
Hi Ron!
Glad you survived your drive here and that all is going well!
Yay on the friendly factor! 🙂
What part of town did you land?
Hey Friend!
I picked the Lake Hills area of Bellevue… It seemed “quaint” and has a lot of personality I think.
LOVE it here! Having so much fun 🙂
Back at cha Ron! 🙂
Whoo hoo on your new home town and the fun factor!
This has been the best source for a CITIZENS P.O.V. of life in Seattle.
I am moving myself and my family there in July or August and am looking very much forward to it.
I am also very nervous as I am coming from 20 something years in the deserts of New Mexico. I have always had an infatuation and love for your city and have visited many times.
Thanks for all the things to think about in all 490 of your posts everyone. Both the negatives and the positives! The only things that I have heard that concern me the most seem to be things that I would worry about in *any* move (where to live, where to work).
ONE QUESTION:
Is the general feel from everyone that raising a 4 year old in Seattle is a good or bad idea? Because I would really be ok with living in a outer suburb but who can resist living right in the thick of it?! ,’:0)
I think you can raise a 4 year old just about anywhere. It’s when they turn 13 that you have to start worrying 🙂
As they start taking on serious interests, then the schools that support those specific interests come into focus. Each child is different.
You have a long time before you need to focus in that direction, but my experience is that City living makes for more well rounded development while suburban life makes for more focused development.
I am very proud of my girls as people and must admit that they matured well beyond their peers when we moved out of suburban life. If your goal is for them to focus on themselves, then suburbs. If your goal is for them to focus on others, then City.
I think someone with a four year old has to do some serious research into schools, using whatever factors they think are most important. Everyone is different.
Once you find the school district, I’d suggest an older area with larger lots, so the kids can get outside more. Perhaps a cul-de-sac so that traffic isn’t as much of a concern.
Kary,
I think it depends on whether the 4 year old is a boy or a girl 🙂
Our little one is a girl. We are thrilled to be able to move to a place where it seems like, to me, it is almost better to not have a car. It almost seems behind buses, taxis, FlexCar, cost/availability of parking and general set up of the city it is WORSE to have a car there.
We are very simple in our needs and walk to the market for groceries and such here. We enjoy walking to the library with our little one and have been preparing her for “City Street” walking as we know it may be a little bit of an adjustment for her to see so many PEOPLE! (It was a change for me, even when I was there on vacation)
Taking into account the drizzle, we *plan* on living the same type of lifestyle there. Living in a small apartment where we can get to a grocery that is close (preferably by foot or small bus ride). Same for parks and such.
From the 5 trips I have been to Seattle, 3 of them have been post birth of her so I have been trying to pay attention to the neighborhoods and it seems as though there are small shoppes and groceries located throughout the entirety of the city, mixed in with small one bedroom and 2 bedroom apartments.
I am just very excited to find a nice little spot to settle my family into. AM I DREAMING HERE?!? ,’:O)
(THANKS FOR ALL THE RESPONSES ALL!)
Hi Jon,
The Seattle Craigslist for rentals and apts is a good place to check around, many have photos and you can usually see a mapped location of the rental.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/apa/
Also, this is a good site for Seattle parents called “Go City Kids” with lots of information on things to see and do with kids.
http://gocitykids.parentsconnect.com/?area=182
There are lots of great little “villages” like you are describing in the Seattle area where you can walk to nearby shops etc. If you enter an address for an apt or rental home at the following site you can find out it’s “Walkability”.
http://www.walkscore.com/
I think you will find Seattle and it’s surrounding areas fun and interesting, although different from New Mexico!
Our family is moving to the Seattle area, from Oklahoma, in June to be near family. We are looking at areas such as Gig Harbor, Port Orchard, Bremerton, Unitversity Place, and North Tacoma. We are also hoping to find jobs in this area. My question is, if I end of working in Seattle/Ballard etc., is my commute going to be absolute hell? We are bringing our kids up next week to interview and look at houses…
Thank you. I have found a wealth of “insider” info here!
I grew up in Bremerton/Silverdale. There’s a ferry that runs from Bremerton to Downtown Seattle which takes just under an hour, but to get to Ballard you’d be looking at another half hour.
There’s another ferry that runs from near Port Orchard to West Seattle, but you’re probably looking at a half hour to get to Downtown Seattle from there (and longer to get to Ballard).
Ballard itself is rather expensive, but there are other areas much closer to Seattle that are reasonably priced. Renton/Kent comes to mind, but there are also some places to the north. They would make for much shorter commutes.
Heather: yes.
I took the ferry from Capitol Hill to Bainbridge Island for a year. It’s $5 to walk on or $15-$20 to drive. If you drive, you often need to be there much earlier in order to get on the boat unless you’re biking or motorcycling. I biked and my work was under 10 minutes from the ferry.
My minimum commute was:
20 minute bike to ferry
10 minutes: pay and get on ferry (except when I missed it – then it was a lot longer.
35 minutes on ferry
5 minutes: get off ferry / get out of lot.
10 minutes: go to work
Total: 1 hour 20 minutes.
If you drive, the getting on and off is a lot longer and you risk missing the boat during rush hour.
Thank you Kary & Galen.
This gives me something to think about. I have a 30-45 commute now, so I am fairly used to the traffic and frustration. I just don’t want to spend valuable family time trying to get to and from work each day. I think I will hold off house hunting until I find out where I will be working!
Thanks again!
Re: “If you drive, the getting on and off is a lot longer and you risk missing the boat during rush hour.”
Heather,
Keep in mind that “missing the boat” doesn’t even necessarily mean that you were late relative to the ferry’s scheduled departure time. You can get to the dock at the same time every day, and once in awhile even though you are on time there will be enough cars ahead of you that the ferry fills up before you get on. In these situations, they don’t run a second “overflow” boat, you just have to wait for the next one. You end up either wasting a lot of time by getting to the dock far earlier than need be to avoid this problem (usually on the way TO work) or by having to wait for the next ferry when you couldn’t get on your regularly scheduled one b/c you got there a little later than usual or there just happens to be more ferry traffic than usual (usually on the way back home FROM work). Living on one of the islands or on the peninsula is great in many ways, but depending on the type of job flexibility and hours you keep, ferry commuting can be not only expensive, but can also be very challenging and time-consuming
Hi Heather,
I think that short term renting until you know where you will be working is a good idea. I just bought gas earlier today and it was $3.27 at Cost Co! So it is a good idea to minimize the commute (family time and dollar$ ) if you can. Gas will only be going up!
Heather, I believe the ferry to Bainbridge only takes about 30 minutes–it’s a much shorter ride. And it goes to downtown Seattle (same as the Bremerton ferry), not West Seattle. I didn’t mention it because it wasn’t one of the areas you mentioned.
I have also suggested to my husband that we rent for 6 mo to a year for this very reason. Gas is very high here too and you’re right, it is just going to go up! I have family in Gig Harbor and North Tacoma, so I am familiar with those areas and would like to be close since we have school age children. I will look into Bainbridge too.
I hadn’t factored in the time waiting to get on and off the ferry as I have always walked on. So if I were to miss a ferry, it could be an hour or two before the next one, correct?
Thank you all for your help!!
Heather – Gig Harbor and Tacoma residents drive to Seattle – it’s much faster. If you’re thinking of a job in the city, I’d look for a place in Federal Way / Kent / Des Moines / South Seattle.
I’d agree with others: you should rent, but you should rent in an area you’re likely to buy in so you have a good idea if it’s a fit and you’ll know the micro-neighborhoods that suit you.
Shameless plug: you can look at house prices all the way up the I-5 corridor on our site Estately.com.
And yes, if the boat is full, you wait 45 minutes+. If you arrive at departure time by car during rush hour, you will not be able to get on most boats.
Heather, to chime in on Galen’s comment, I’ve lived in “West Hill Auburn” (North Lake) which was very convenient for hoping onto I-5 plus you have 167 and Hwy 18. I’ve also lived in Des Moines which is also very centrally located and easy to get to Seattle–in fact, I felt like I lived in the center of the world when I had my condo in Des Moines. My son went to school in NE Tacoma when I lived in Des Moines.
Burien I have never lived in however my husband did. I know they’re doing a lot of revitilaztion there.
Thanks Rhonda. My brother lived in Edgewood and was an Auburn police officer for a few years. I’m somewhat familiar with the Auburn area.
Galen, I’ll be sure to check out your site!
Heather
Deborah,
The 3 links that you gave were fantastic! Thanks!
I thankfully have a friend in the Seattle are that lived in the Denny/John area so we got the chance to walk around pretty throughly last time we were there. It is not hard, after all! The city is so “walker friendly”.
I am open to comments from the great expertise here on what is the best area for not owning a car there and still getting by.
Hi Jon,
I am glad that those links on comment #495 helpful to you!
Some of the nieghborhoods (not all have many apts, but other types of rentals) that you may want to consider are:
First Hill in the area near E Madison St and 19th Ave. that are nearish to the Arboretum and Lake Washington Beach at Madison Park) also some parts of Capitol Hill and Madison Valley.
Parts of Phinney Ridge (Woodland Park Zoo, what kid wouldn’t want to live near a Zoo!), Green Lake (the lake!) , Ballard, Wallingford (great kite flying at Gas Works Park) neighborhoods.
Some neighboroods in West Seattle might be of interest to you, Admiral District, Alaska Junction (Sunday Farmers Market) and Alki has the beach!
These all tend to have good transit nearby and very walkable to shops, libraries, parks and even local Farmers Markets, but because all these are close to the metro Seattle area they tend to be more expensive than the more outlying areas.
Further out a couple of the suburban cities close to Seattle have small, revitalizing “downtown” areas that are becoming nice centralized communities. Up and coming areas with strong transit centers to downtown and Bellevue would be Burien, and Renton in the southend. In the northend I am not so familier, so maybe Jillayne will have some suggestions.
Dustin has links on the side panel to neighborhood blogs that you might want to check out to get a good idea of the neighborhood, although not all neighborhoods have bloggers posting.
Jon, I hope these give you some good neighborhoods to consider. Let us know how it goes for you! 🙂
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Concerting all of those “10 Things You Should Know Before Moving to Seattle”, who cares? I mean i have lived many places and Seattle is probably the BEST place i have ever lived! There may be some crazy people here, but more great people and opportunities, which rules out things like that or the rain! My point is if it were my choice would NEVER LEAVE!
Hey,
So I’m thinking about moving to Seattle for grad school at UW. I’m from central Illinois and live in St. louis. I know no one there and nothing about the campus. Any advice? Is the area nice?
S –
I moved to Seattle in 2000 from St. Louis. I was supposed to be in Seattle for 6 months, but after 6 weeks I knew I was staying here. It’s drastically different than St. Louis in many ways. I love Seattle.
If you like hanging out in the Central West End or the Loop – my guess is you will love living in Seattle. If you love Clayton, then you might look at living in Bellevue or Kirkland, but only after getting out of school so you don’t have to drive across the 520 bridge each day.
I’m sure being in school you will get to know a lot of people fast, but there are a ton of young professional organizations that want/enjoy grad students getting involved.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/lifestyle/334475_yp08.html
I really like the Burien/Gregory Heights/Seahurst/Normandy Park area for price and proximity, however, how does the following affect the areas?:
(1) The 3rd runway- is the noise now greater in these areas now?
(2) Proximity to the Airport- Does this mean more pollution than other areas?
(3) The “new build Burien downtown?” Is this looking nice? Will it make prices rise in the area?
hello…
Hubby and I, along with our 2 kiddos are planning to move to Seattle in Fall from Las Vegas. Any thoughts about the best inexpensive yet kids friendly neigborhood? Also hubby is going to work at one of the hotel in downtown Seattle as a banquet server. Are they making decent salary in Seattle? Very concern about the finances since moving to Seattle means we are going to rent our house here in LV and shoulder the difference in mortgage (as everyone knows real estate have dropped tremendously here and not best for us to sell right now) 🙁
Any comments and thought is greatly appreciated 🙂
Hi Matt,
Thanks for answering S’s question, those were much better answers than I would have been able to do…I’ve never been to St Louis, and I attended SDSU in California! 🙂
Nice contribution!
Hi Monica,
The Third runway is not yet in use, so it’s hard to say how much more noise it will be…we’ll just have to see. Generally the further west you go of Seatac Airport, the less plane noise.
Oddly enough, the neighborhoods just west of 1st Ave S in Burien have almost no jet noise. However just north or south of the airport is a lot of noise and most homes are equipped with what’s called the “Port Package” with double and tripple paned windows to reduce noise inside of homes.
Not sure of the pollution levels and how they compare to the rest of the Seattle areas.
Burien is undergoing a revitalization (active city government) that seems to be having some very positive results. Olde Burien and Downtown Burien are becoming very attractive destinations for the near by neighborhoods. I just had clients move last week to a home just 2 blocks from Olde Burien and part of the attraction for them was being able to walk to the nearby restaurants like The Mark, and the Tin Room.
This area is west of 1st Ave S., so does not have the jet noise.
The close in neighborhoods (Seahurst especially) to the Downtown area will have higher demand, so should appreciate or hold their value better.
Also, something many people don’t realize is how easy it is to get to downtown Seattle from Burien and the surounding areas via what I call the “Secret Freeway”, the 509.
Hi Edith,
I would look for rentals in South Seattle/Burien/Tukwila/ areas. You should find very reasonable rents, and as I answered Monica above, getting to Downtown Seattle is very quick and easy on the 509 fwy.
Here is the link for Craigslist, rentals in Seattle:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/apa/
South King county rentals:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/apa/
Rentals in those areas (South Seattle, Burien, Tukwila, Seatac) will be found in both Craigslists because they fall between Seattle and South King county.
Sorry, I don’t know the answer about salary for your husband, although Craigslist also has employment ads, so there may be ads there that could give you an idea.
I hope this helps, and best wishes for an easy relocation! 🙂
Hi Kidwell,
Glad you love Seattle! I moved here in 1994 and I am very glad I did too!
I plan on moving to the Seattle/Everett area from Kansas in June. I found out that some of my friends that moved to Seattle are now hooked on crack cocaine. I started researching crime and drug rates and people are saying that the Seattle/Everett area has a very high crime and meth problem. Can anyone give me more of their personal experiences with this in the Seattle area. Thanks.
Hi Cory,
Yes, I just moved here three weeks ago and am already addicted to crack and meth… But you get used to it.
Ron
Thanks Deborah! 🙂
That is hilarious, Ron. I just sat down to do my Sunday Night Stats post and almost fell off the chair laughing.
Kim says you can find meth just about anywhere if you’re looking for it. I am oblivious to such things, always have been. It could be right in front of me and I wouldn’t know it. I don’t even know what “it” looks like.
Thanks Ardell!
Didn’t know if I would get kicked off the forum for my sarcastic post or not 🙂
How have you been? Well, I’ve been here for three weeks now! Love it… Ended up in Bellevue, and love going into Seattle for fun.
Very fortunate to find this blog… has been invaluable!
Ron
Ron,
It would be helpful if you post some questions as a newcomer. Most times people are asking questions who aren’t here yet.
If you’re ever in Kirkland, give me a ring and stop by. I’d love to meet you.
Thanks Ron! Your post is about as helpful as a penny with a hole in it. At least I know the meth addicts have a sense of humor.
Cory-
I am not surprised by the use of crack and meth in the Seattle area, I’ve heard from some of my highschool cousins that it’s pretty popular with teens today.
I’ve heard Everett has somewhat of a reputation for drug use. Actually, come to think of it, my friend who is a Snohomish County sheriff tells me that crack and meth are distributed widely up there. Probably due to the fact it’s more rural compared to Seattle or the neighboring towns of Bellevue, Mercer Island and Kirkland. These are observations not facts, so I suggest doing more research before choosing a place to live.
Almost there!!
I posted on here a short while ago re moving to Seattle (with two dogs!) from the UK. Thanks for all of your help back then… I’m pleased to say that we arrive next Wednesday (2nd)!!
After looking into it, we decided against Renton – partly prompted by the response I got here 🙂 We have found a place a hundred meters from Alki beach that looks perfect for us, they are dog friendly too!
Just for peace of mind, could I ask for your opinion of the area? It might help if I say what we are expecting… city beach with good eateries and very convenient water taxi into the Seattle, I think it gets very busy in the summer when the weather is good (the place we have found has a garage and off street thankfully) and it can get a bit rowdy in the evenings, although from what I can see a lot of this has been blown out of proportion by the press… does that sound about right?
Many Thanks,
K&T
ps. Ron… good to hear you have settled in well!!! 😉
K&T. You’re set – Alki is a much better choice than Renton.
I think you’ve picked a great neighborhood – the water taxi will be really fun in the summer. Not sure about the weekend parties, but it can’t be as bad as Golden Gardens.
Good luck! Report back with your findings!
K & T,
You are going to love the long summer days of Alki! Amazing sunsets.
Galen,
I was hoping you would have some comments for Cory. My travels don’t take me into any drug scenes. Not that yours do…but you are a lot younger than I am. Do you run into meth and crack anywhere?
Not that i’m an expert on crack – but I can tell you that if you want to find some locals smoking it (Seattle Police please read this closely) – go to 2nd Ave between Bell & Blanchard (west side of the street) between midnight and 3am on any given Friday or Saturday night. It might be something else like heroin but i’m sure it’s not legal. I wish there was better police on that block for my tax dollars.
Hi Ardell!
I am in Kirkland all the time for work, so I will be sure to call you and come by soon 🙂
As for my impressions as a newcomer, they are pretty much the same as what I posted after my short visit but even better.
Having moved up here from the LA area, I honestly think that Seattle is more fun.
– People here are nicer and more “real”.
– Night life is not as abundant but easier to get to and find.
– My job requires me to drive around the area often and at all times during the day, and traffic is NOT bad here relative to LA, Atlanta or any other major city. Such a misconception in my opinion.
– The area is beautiful! Clean air and lots of scenery.
– Housing is very reasonable in Bellevue- can’t speak for other areas.
– This city is very dog-friendly!
– It really isn’t that rainy in my opinion, but it is damn cold!
Ron,
It’s 50 degrees at 8:27 p.m.. At 55 degrees Kim puts his shorts on. It’s really not that cold.
What have you found and enjoyed in the way of “night life”?
Oh fantastic, thanks, Matt. I use to work in that area and I also use to attend grad school a few blocks away. This is not good news. What about during the day? I haven’t seen anything like this during business hours. Also, have you reported this to the Sea P.D.?
I live within a block. It’s not all bad news and increase of police on bikes and foot in the Belltown area is more noticeable since the City Leaders have made police staffing changes. It just makes me wonder how committed the City Leaders are at cleaning it up when I can tell you exactly where it occurs. They do set up a mobile police station (RV thing) every once in a while. I wouldn’t want to paint a picture of a bad crime area, but you are living in the urban core and Seattle does have a street drug problem like any big city.
I wouldn’t trade city living for anything – love it – but it does come with some things you won’t find in the ‘burbs.
I walk a lot around downtown at all hours – yes, you tend to find a little more interesting things going on after midnight.
Everyone,
Interesting reading, crack addicts and all! Ha!
I am still planning on my move in August/September. I am also planning city living with myself, my wife and our 4 year old daughter.
From the times my wife and I spent on the buses and and walking there without my daughter (while vacationing) there was not a lot of deviant behavior or “shady” looking characters from what I could see.
And I am an *extremely* paranoid guy, so I tend to pay extra attention to people around me.
Seattle is a city: there are drugs of all flavors if you are looking for them. Otherwise, there is crack in a few parts of Belltown, downtown and directly up from downtown (“pill hill”). Outside of that area, you really have to be looking for it to find it.
Meth is a rural thing – the farther into nowhere you are around here, the more meth there is. As a city boy, I’ve only heard about how pervasive it is in the rural areas.
There is also a minimum of one homeless person on every bus between downtown and Capitol HIll. They are not necessarily “shady” looking, but they stand out.
Jon,
Economics is often a key factor. Where homes are the cheapest is also where you will find the most problems, to a large extent. Best school performance is usually in wealthier areas. Poorest school performance is in the area with the lowest home prices. That is pretty much true nationally and I think true of drug issues that are not well hidden as well.
Not saying well to do people don’t use drugs, just saying you don’t see them doing it out on the street.
I’m luvving this blog! I’m considering a relocation to Seattle within the next year and found most of the entries quite insightful…THANK YOU.
If/when I do make the move, I would (of course) like to have a job lined-up prior to my arrival. What concerns me is performing a job search with almost 3,000 miles between Seattle and south Florida, lol. Obviously, I’m aware of the various job sites and can apply via corporate job postings. However, as others have noted, I assume that I may be disqualified as a candidate due to my out-of-state address.
In the past, I’ve had favorable outcomes from working with employment agencies when finding a job. In most job markets, the locals are familiar with the larger employment agencies. My question is this: Which employment agencies in the Seattle area would you locals say are the larger, higher-profile agencies that might work with an out-of-town client? An important caveat for my personal situation is that I am NOT in any IT-related fields; I’ve been a manager in the travel industry for 18 years.
Any suggestions on some of the better, generalized employment agencies in Seattle?
Much obliged & greetings from (currently cloudy & blustery) south Florida!
Laughlobo,
I am trying to make the move myself. I first contacted a placement agency in my field (Accounting). I sent them my resume and filled out an online profile. I spoke to a recruiter over the phone who asked what general area I wanted to be in, etc. I have family in Seattle so I know the area pretty well.
I went up last week and went on a few interviews. Now I am waiting/hoping to see if anyone makes me an offer! If not, then I will go from there. I too would like to have a job lined up.
It’s not easy to do long distance, but it can definitely be done. Maybe you can Google placement agencies in your field and contact some. You may also try to schedule some time to go up for interviews if you can.
Good luck!!!
So… the locals do or * DO NOT * like their town to be called “The Emerald City”?! Let me get that straight…! ,’:O)
Because I was talking to someone from there and they informed me that it was quite the local annoyance.
As far as “There is also a minimum of one homeless person on every bus between downtown and Capitol HIll. They are not necessarily “shady
I don’t hear anyone calling it The Emerald City. But when I look across the lake from Kirkland and see the Downtown Seattle Skyline, it does look like OZ from here 🙂
Galen,
Thank you for your feedback! Seattle does not sound like Washington D.C. back in the 80s. Most of the posts indicate it’s a good place to raise a family.
Hello Everyone!
I posted here a few months ago when I was looking to make the move here. I arrived in West Seattle 2 weeks ago, after finding a great roommate on Craigslist. I lucked out and was hired for a new job within a few days of arrival. So far I have to say I love it here. People have been very friendly and welcoming, and you can’t beat those views on clear days. After spending 2 years in New England (I’m originally from Wisconsin) I think the west coast is so much more open and welcoming. This blog has been a big help! Good luck to all in your relocation efforts!
Cory – definitely not like DC. A friend of mine just moved back from DC after a couple of years and it’s a different world there than here. Everything is so affordable and friendly.
Hi Everyone:
I live in Los Angeles and work in the entertainment business. I’m 50 now, single, female and looking for a place to retire that’s not too far from cultural activities. (I’m also a musician). Carnation, Snoqualmie, Issaquah and Fall City were recommended to me and I fell in love with what I saw. What can you tell me about these cities? Also, are the people who are buying real estate in King County actually remaining in the area or selling out after a few years?
Many of the view properties overlooking Lake Washington and Lake Sammamish are good values for us older types. Many homes were built that suited “empty nesters” with huge master suites at the top view level. Not well suited to families with small children, these homes often sell at a discount.
Depends on your price range as to which areas might be best suited to your needs. If you provide a price range I can give you an idea of turnover time. Average age around here is generally a lot younger than you and I 🙂
Ron,
Eating my words from comment #534. It’s snowing! Maybe it should have waited until April Fool’s Day.
Hello,
I’m moving from Philadelphia to Seattle in two months! I am looking into areas like Capitol Hill, Belltown, possibly Queen Anne. I’m still trying to figure out if Seattle is a walkable city. Can you walk from Queen Anne to Belltown or Capitol Hill in a reasonable amount of time.
Also, what does everyone suggest regarding having a car? I assume I need a car for outdoor excursions. But that would be on the weekends only. Otherwise is there a good way of traveling out of the city? Is there a carshare program–we have PhillyCarShare here.
Thoughts?
And just to add to my message above, 550: I’m a health professional who will be working at Harborview Medical Center. Don’t need to live near Harborview but need to have public transportation to it from wherever I live.
Shaji –
Car sharing is great in Seattle – http://www.zipcar.com/
There are ride free bus zones in downtown Seattle can be found here http://transit.metrokc.gov/tops/bus/ridefree.html
You will find bus service in downtown to be easy – certain streets in the downtown core are very easy to learn such as catching any bus on 2nd street going south will take you at least to Cherry Street without turning.
Seattle is very walkable – check out addresses at http://www.walkscore.com/
Walking from lower Queen Anne to Belltown is a snap, but if you live in upper Queen Anne the walk home can be “fun
I live on Capitol Hill and walk / bike all over. I do not walk to Queen Anne – that’s 45+ minutes. Lower Queen Anne is a more manageable 30 minutes as is Belltown and there are plenty of buses from the hill to downtown and Queen Anne.
Belltown to Harborview is easy and Capitol Hill to Harborview is easy. You can check the transit routes on Google maps – here’s a sample Capitol Hill route. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=12592494985588074838,47.603557,-122.322981&saddr=919+11th+Ave+E,+Seattle,+WA+98112&daddr=325+9th+Ave,+Seattle,+WA+98104+(Harborview+Medical+Center)&ttype=dep&sll=47.615132,-122.321606&sspn=0.041601,0.110636&dirflg=r&ie=UTF8&ll=47.616231,-122.328815&spn=0.0416,0.110636&z=14&start=0
And, another shameless plug, you can search for homes along mass transit routes on Estately.com.
Thanks for the great tips and links! Since I will be new to the city, I will be renting initially before I consider making a purchase. Any tips for renters looking in lower queen anne, capitol hill or belltown? In order to save more money for an eventual down payment, I’m going to rent quite cheaply–looking around $1000 per month. I know that is not much at all for the areas but I hope to find something that will get me used to the city before I decide to make an investment like a home.
Any thoughts, tips?
Here’s my tip: Craigslist. You can get a decent one bedroom on the Hill for $1,000 a month, but it might take a little searching. I don’t know about Belltown or Queen Anne.
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We’re thinking about moving to Seattle from London and are wondering – which city is wetter?
My perception is they are about the same. The issue is generally not the amount of wet as it is the lack of sun. At the moment it is dark gray clouds just about everywhere and no precipitation. Yet the morning sun is peeking through and shining on my laptop screen 🙂 I see zero blue sky for as far as the eye can see, and yet the sun is making a valiant effort to be noticed.
I lived in Cambridge for a year when I was young and I remember my Seattle-habituated parents remarking on how incredibly dark the winter there was. Even London definitely gets less sun; it’s 51 degrees latitude versus 47. That means we have longer winter days here even if they are filtered through the clouds.
In London today we have had sleet, rain and sunshine – sometimes all at the same time….
If your curious about daily Seattle weather conditions, check-out http://www.seattletimes.com. It’s the website for the Seattle Times and the homepage includes a webcam shot aimed at the Space Needle and the Olympic Mountains off in the distance.
You know it’s a clear day in Seattle when the Olympics are visible. And, after visiting that site for about the last year or so, I was quite impressed how often I could see bright, blue skies and the white-capped Olympics…even during the summer!
Enjoy!
Whew! Interesting and insightful to read about the range of opinions of Seattle!
I am looking at moving from Denver to Seattle in the very near future for a job opportunity in West Seattle. I know nothing about the city! Although Denver is a VERY sunny city, I am originally from Michigan and believe it or not, miss the rain.
Given that I am 24, single, and working in West Seattle- what would be a good area to being my housing hunt? Any other insights?
That sounds great…I look forward to proving that you can find your way around without local expertise someday!
Wanted to see if anyone could give me some feedback here. . .
I’m going to be spending a few days in your fair city later this week. I’ve been entertaining the idea of relocating, from Arlington, VA, to the Pacific Northwest for some time, and Seattle seems like a great place.
Can anyone recommend good neighborhoods to check out. I def. plan on renting and would like to find an area that is in walking distance to food markets, coffeeshops, record stores etc. I am 24 and am also in search of NGOs that deal in the areas of population control/public health. Any thoughts?
Ballard
Start here and walk around http://www.chaihouse.com/
Fremont
Start here and walk around http://www.pccnaturalmarkets.com/locations/fr.html
Capitol Hill
I’m sure Galen has some comments here, but just bike/bus/walk/park near Denny & Broadway and walk around.
If you visit these three neighborhoods and ask round I bet your day will take the correct turn to selecting a neighborhood for you in Seattle. There are plenty of other great neighborhoods, but my guess is that this will give you a good start to asking around.
Since you are interested in public health, the new Gates Foundation Campus will be near the Space Needle. The Space Needle is on an area of land called Seattle Center. Seattle Center is in lower Queen Anne and worth exploring.
Thanks a bunch, Matt. Being the music buff I am I’m curious to know what the current music scene is like? Can anyone recommend and good independent record stores–vinyl, primarily–as well as local spots for some good live music
. . .And building on this, I come from DC which is a very diverse area with multitudes of various ethnicities. I very much want to settle in an area that maintains diversity of cultures. Can anyone comment on the demographic state of Seattle and it’s overall culture(s)?
My partner is the music guy who started Easy Street Records many years ago and managed some bands for 35 years. He doesn’t have anything to do with that now, except for people who knock on our door asking him to critique their latest stuff 🙂
East Street Records, owned by his “former” stepson Matt is likely the independent you are looking for and there are two stores, one in West Seattle and the other in Queen Anne kindof near the space needle.
I’ll see if I can get Kim to comment. His daugher is DJ Chloe who has mega vinyl collection, performs internationally and does her own mixes. So Kim is very “connected” to that which you seek. Moreso than most real estate agents, I’d suspect. I’ll go get him. He’s not as fast a typer as I am 🙂
Hi Neal, I usually stay in the background and let agents,etc. slug it out on this site, but Ardell asked if I would mention areas that might work for you…..So here goes. West Seattle at the Junction, Fremont, Ballard, and base of Queen Anne. West Seattle has Easy Street Records and Rubatos. Fremont has Jive Time Records; Ballard has Sonic Boom and Bop Street (you can spend days in there); Queen Anne has Easy Stret which has a rather large section of records(vinyl). Time frame wise; Bop Street, Easy Street. and Jive Time should do the trick for you. These same areas of Seattle should suit you with regard to ambiance, culture, food and of course coffee. Call me if you need something or additional info. in the music vein 206 696 3493
Have a great time.
Hey Neal,
Native south Floridian here (Cuban-American, raised in a rather diverse ethnic community) and during my two-week “exploratory” visit to Seattle last year I found it to be a very ethnically diverse and well-rounded kind of place. I spent most of my time in the areas in & around downtown Seattle, in the same neighborhoods described by some of the other folks here: Lower Queen Anne, Belltown, Capitol Hill, Fremont, Ballard, etc. I didn’t make it over to West Seattle during that visit, but hope to check it out on my next trip.
I noticed a wide range of cultures represented in the selection of restaurants, cultural offerings (film festivals, music, etc.), as well as in the faces of the folks on the streets or while out socializing.
Cheers!
Is silverdale growing like the rumor states, I hear the Navy is pouring money into that area and is growing fast.
Seattle is fabulous. All of the worrying about weather confounds me a bit. I am origionally from England (just outside London) and spent a few years of my early childhood in Aberdeen, Scotland, so the constant harping about gray days doesn’t fly with me. In England, the sun goes away and doesn’t reappear until Spring. Seriously. The first year that I lived in Seattle, I couldn’t believe how much the sun came out in the Autumn and Winter. I used to draw a sun on my calendar each time. There are some bad weather spells that come through and last for a week or two but for the most part, you see the sun break through and it makes it even more beautiful.
No one in Seattle carries an umbrella. It’s not torrential downpour rain. It’s not rain that stops you from going out or walking your dog. I’ve spent the last 2 years east of LA in California (going home in a few weeks, yeah!). There are MONTHS when my dogs can’t go outside. I have to get up at 6 am to take them for a run because it’s too hot after 8am! For half of the year, I can’t take them with me when I am out shopping etc because they can’t stay in the car because of the infernal heat. Seattle is always mild. My dogs go with me everywhere , all the time. Days aren’t so hot or so cold or so smoggy that you can’t be out and about, enjoying life. So, it drizzles quite a bit. It’s good for your skin.
Side note about the rain: My grass is dead. I have the worst grass in the neighborhood because I never remember to water my lawn. That says a lot to me.
Someone asked about banquet serving for their husband. He’ll do very well. There’s tons of work and the money is great, so don’t worry. He can pick up side work catering. Again, tons of work and great money.
Musings on Seattle
None of my friends have boob jobs.
Or fake noses. We also don’t go to the tanning salon (Isn’t it weird that there are 100 times more taninng salons in LA than in Seattle?)
Birkenstocks are acceptable footwear (unfortunately, in my opinion).
We live just north of Seattle (by 3 blocks), in Shoreline. The commuter bus gets me to downtown in 15 minutes.
We do not lock our doors. Abeit, we do have ENORMOUS dogs and all of our neighbors have dogs but still.
No one that I personally know has been sexually assaulted. (Except for one of my co-workers who was in LA for the weekend at a swanky bar and was given that date rape drug there). I lived in LA for 10 years and I know quite a few people, several of them close friends who were assaulted. I am not saying that it doesn’t happen but it happens far less frequently and that is a wonderful thing.
Seattle is very diverse. Diverse is just normal. There’s a place for everyone. It’s a small place but the neighborhoods are very different and with a little research, anyone can find a place where they’ll be comfortable. I love the juxtapositions in Seattle. I live 3 blocks from a gated community of mansions (Richmond Highlands) which is one block from the hookers on Aurora Ave, across the street from the private school that Bill Gates went to, within walking distance of two beautiful parks and a doggie park, on a street of mostly small homes built in the 50’s. I work in the Events industry so one day, I was driving to one of the VP of Amazon’s house and it is gorgeous, of course, brand new, on the water but 3 blocks away, it’s not so nice…there was a homeless guy on a stretcher, pushing himself down the street with his leg while singing loudly…etc. I love that! Even in the Richmond Highlands, there are the turn of the century mansions (and I do mean, literal mansions) that the city founders built for their wives (and the origional microsofties now own) but there are small cottage style houses in there as well.
The “Seattle Freeze.” I have thought quite a bit about this. The only thing that I can come up with that would fit this scenario is that if you live south of Mountlake Terrace and west of Bellevue and you are a conservative, the liberal ‘diverse is everything’ majority may not like you. Like if you listen to Rush Limbaugh, have an American flag sticker on your car or, I don’t know, a flag lapel pin, the Fremont natives may not like you. Being a conservative myself (as in, I am the most conservative person that I know in Seattle but to everyone in the Mid West, I’m a bleeding-heart liberal),I believe that Ardell wrote something like there’s 10% that aren’t going to like you no matter what.
“Let’s have a mocha and talk about it.” Not being a friendly person myself (except when I have to be, like at my job), I have found people in Seattle to be very friendly. It only makes sense. So many people aren’t from here. Their entire families aren’t here. They haven’t known their friends since grade school. We have less kids than most American cities, so we have more time to socialize. We go to church less than most American cities, so I would assume that would make us more open to meeting more people. We read a lot, more than most American cities, so I would assume that would give us more things to talk about. I don’t personally want to hear the entire life story of the checker at the supermarket (unless, of course, you can bag AND talk). Being down here in California, that drives me crazy. Maybe they do that in Seattle too but I don’t notice it because there aren’t any LINES.
Seattle has service. I didn’t realize this until I moved to LA. The only people in Seattle that don’t seem to mind standing in long lines are the crafters at Joanne’s. For some reason, women will wait for their crafting supplies. Everywhere else though, runs smoothly. At least compared to LA. I went to the bank on a Friday when I first got down here and there were 51 people in front of me in line. This is after fighting the traffic to get there and waiting for a parking space. In the heat. I asked the teller if it were always like this and she told me, “on Fridays.” I LOVE LOVE LOVE being able to stop at the market on the way home and be back in my car in 15 mins in Seattle.
Thrifting is a way of life. It’s part of the recycling way of life. Everyone goes to the thrift store and there are tons of them.
Anyone thinking of moving to Seattle, I cannot recommend it enough. There is no other place where I will live. Real Estate is expensive…there is a reason for that. It’s because it is a fantastic place to live.
I can’t stop thinking about the ‘Seattle Freeze.’ It is just so far from my experience.
About 12 years ago, when I first moved to Seattle from LA, I worked in hotels and catering as a server. I was shocked by the informal attitude and lack of snobbery of the people in Seattle. I have waited on or served or worked with Bill Gates, the McCaws, the Schultz’s etc. and they all lacked that ‘you are the hired help’ mentality. The wealthiest Seattlites at black tie galas will say, “thank you” and look the tray passer in the eye. Bill Gates may be the wealthiest man in the world but he is extremely pleasant to wait on and work with. A bigger contrast with waiting on people in LA, you cannot find.
Bill Gates and Microsoft changed the way the entire business world dresses. Remember the days of the suit and ties? The casual shift started in Seattle with the dot commers and that says a lot about the attitude of our city.
We have a lot of entrepreneurs in Seattle, many of them extremely successful. I believe that, on a smaller scale, Seattle is indicitive of one of the great things about America and why we have been so successful, which is the freedom of ideas. In a place where anything goes, where anyone can become anything, it breeds a creativity that can change the world. When you aren’t so busy keeping up with the Jones’s, you have a lot more energy and your thoughts become free to dream or create or implement. I believe that it is a wonderful place to raise a child. I believe that it is as close to perfect as you are going to be able to find.
LOL, Brandi! You GO Girl!
The only Seattle Freeze I’ve seen (and likely am part of as well) is that people tend to have huge interaction…until they have nothing in common. People are very immersed in what they care about here. So much so that that they have little time for what they don’t care about.
It’s like never having played tennis, and complaining that the tennis pros don’t want to play with you and the “freeze you out” of their “group”. DUH!
If you are dull and have no passion for anything, you are boring. Get involved in something and the ice will melt.
Not talking about YOU of course, Brandi…just my take on “Seattle Freeze”. I’ve been very lucky to have something in common with so many great people. I’ve only been in Seattle since Feb. of 2004, and I feel like I know everyone. Well, maybe not everyone, but about 1,000 more people than I knew in L.A. and I lived there longer than here.
My trip to Seattle exceeded my expectations wildly. Such a beautiful/eclectic/welcoming city.
I know the topic has been addressed before, but what are some good sources for apartment/housing hunting? Craigslist, is of course first on my list. I am a 24 yr old male and am leaning towards the Queen Anne area as a place to settle. What are the advantages/disadvantages to this neighborhood?
Queen Anne
Advantages: (1) Can get a view apartment if you want – start your search by walking around Queen Anne & Highland. Check out the view from Kerry Park at 211 W Highland Drive (2) Walking distance to restaurants, bars, and grocery stores. (3) Wide variety of retail in the area. (4) Seattle Center is close by for it’s theatre district, city festivals and Key Arena events. This is also a disadvantage if you are driving to Queen Anne on a Friday (or pick a night) when all theatre’s are doing events plus a sold out event at Key Arena. (5) Central location to downtown with a residential feel. (6) Great bus routes and cheap cabs to surrounding neighborhoods. (7) Queen Anne offers a good value to the renter and you will find a fair amount of rentals in the Queen Anne area.
Disadvantages: See #4 above. There are some areas that it’s difficult for street parking of cars, but I don’t find Queen Anne to be as bad as some areas of Seattle.
http://www.seattle.gov/transportation/parking/parkingrpz.htm
Hi Brandi
That was a great POV on what it’s like to live in Seattle! 🙂 Some of what you said is my experience too, especially about the weather!
Hello everyone, this goes to Dustin and Brandi, but everybody’s input is more than welcome. I am a single mother of two school age children from NY. I will be divorce by the summer or fall of this year.
As you all heard, NY is a really tough place, epecially when you’re a single parent trying to make ends meet.. The schools aren’t great unless you move to a very expensive area. Although I live in Long Island,not all the schools in li are good. Plus the cost of livig in LI is getting out of hand. Although I have never been to Seattle, I wish to move to Seattlle by early next year Jan or Feb. My question/concerns is the job market, and affordable housing in a nice neighborhoods with a good school district. And off course eventually making some friends. I would like to work in the city, live outside in a suburbs but not too far. I do have a lot of research to do before this move, but advise will be appreciated.
I don’t even know how I would move there with my car, I heard that I cannot drive to Seattle from NY is that so?
By the way, My field of work is Finance Bookkeeping, does anyone know how the field of finance is down there?
Sorry for the long message, I’m actually going out to look up books on Seattle, but I wanted to get some actual facts from people that are actually living there.
Hope to hear from your response soon.
Nora.
Could anyone recommend some good employment agencies/headhunters for seeking employment? Ideally, I am looking for Non-profit agencies.
Thanks
Hi Neal,
I just did a quick G-search under: “non profit organizations in seattle”
and found this career developement center had good list of Seattle Non-Profit organiztions: http://www.bridgewaycareer.com/seattle-nonprofits.htm .
This looks like a good place to start, so that you get a good idea of what there is in Seattle. Sorry I don’t know any good (or mediocre) headhunters, maybe someone else here does.
Best wishes!
Hi Nora,
When I was looking for information about Seattle when I moved here in 1994, I found a good resource for me was: “The Seattle Survival Guide II”, there is now a 4th edition. I bought a copy of it and it looks to be as helpful as the second edition, so I would recommend it to you since you are looking for a good book on Seattle.
The cost of living in Seattle is higher than most of the country, but the NE coast and the coast of California tend to be higher, so it might be less than Long Island.
Yes, you can drive from Long Island to Seattle, although you would be driving in winter conditions through the midwest and Rockies, so you may want to take southerly route, then come up to the NW. It would depend on your tolerance for driving in winter conditions.
Best Wishes on your decision!
Whoops!
Here’s the link for Amazon and the book:
http://www.amazon.com/Seattle-Survival-Guide-Essential-Handbook/dp/1570613397 so you can check it out.
Thanks so much Deborah,
I most likely will have someone help me drive or see if Amtrak Auto Train goes there.
As long as the schools are good, and the job pay is reasonable I’ll be happy. In NY housing is high for a little tiny apt or house. I feel that it’s just time for me change for me. I do not hot weather which is why I’m not moving down south.
Well, thanks for your help appreciate it.
Wow, my wife and I have been seriously considering relocating from Ventura County, CA to Seattle and this blog has been seriously eye-opening. News of the “Freeze” concerns me because we have found ourselves stifled here by the fact that nobody in SoCal knows their neighbors. We’re constantly reaching out to people, planning events and such and after 5 years, we’ve given up. Aside from a lower cost of living (yes, Seattle is lower cost than coastal California) and better schools, we want a sense of community and to connect with people at our stage of life (educated, wide interests, two small kids).
Are we kidding ourselves about Seattle in that regard? We’re actually thinking specifically about Bainbridge Island. Is the community there different because it’s an island and therefore mostly slower and residential? I tend to think where you live is what you make of it, but the Nice/Ice business has be a bit concerned.
I’ve lived in Seattle for almost a decade now. I have moved around the US more than most with going to four high schools in four different states and moved around a bit before Seattle. Seattle is home for me in many ways – I love the city. I don’t understand the “Seattle Freeze
Tim #585 –
Having two small kids is actually a great way to meet people, especially once they get into school. The key is choosing a school where you feel comfortable – no doubt there will be other parents who did the same. I can only speak for Seattle, where you still can choose your public school to some extent. We’ve made some great friends at our kids’ school – and most of them aren’t Seattle natives. Another great thing about city living is homes tend to be closer together, so you have more interaction on a daily basis. Bainbridge is pretty rural, so you’d have to work a little harder. If you’re interested in data/info on Seattle schools, I can send you a good website (it actually has data on all Washington schools). Good luck!
Adrianna,
You can post the link to the schools here. If it gets trapped in the spam filter I’ll fish it out.
Our little cul-de-sac is very social. Halloween parties, New Years Eve parties, a “progressive dinner” night, an outside game day, 4th of July is apparently big, and then there’s just the spontaneous fire pit get togethers when the whether is nice. So it definitely varies by area.
Our neighbors in WSeattle climb over our fence when I’m (errr…I mean my husband) bbq’ing. It’s all what you make it. Perhaps some of it could be lot lines or condos and the varioius demographics. I’m just speaking from my personal experiences going back a few different neighborhoods:
Condo in Des Moines. I loved living in Des Moines–I just think I’m not meant for condo life–especially when I was in my late 20’s and even though the condo was new construction–so neighbors were not pre-established…it was mostly retired individuals. I didn’t really fit in…I was a newly single mom with a son in kindergarten. Loved my pad…but it was challenging w/the neighbors and some of them would agree (about me). Some welcomed my son and I being there…I was the only “single parent”. Freeze? I think this was a mutual miss-match.
My next house was what I thought was my “dream house”…(I could write a post about it but I think I’ll spare you)…it was on North Lake in “West Hill” Auburn. I think it was the physical set up of the long narrow lots with huge trees and vegatation between them that kept us (my immediate neighbors) and I apart…especially when one adopted his son’s HUGE pit bull…that did for me and my old Pug. But the neighborhood itself was fun….we had an old fashioned 4th of July Parade and they did a Christmas Boat Parade on our lake (um…big pond) with row boats lit up. I’ll always treasure that even though I not once was at a neighbors home in my 4 years there. But…I don’t think I ever invited them over either (are you sensing guilt yet?).
I moved in w/my then fiance (now husband) home in W Sea. It’s kind of a tree house at a street end so you can easily go home after a busy day and absorb your kids and not be social w/the neighbors. Not to knock my hubby…but I think we got to know a few more neighbors after I moved in due to walking the dog. We did start doing more social things and it was fun. Since then the neighborhood has “turned over” and we’ve moved too. Our new home in WSea…we share a driveway w/one neighbor-and the a fence w/the other as I mentioned. We all get along pretty good. It was a bit of shock for us when we’d try to eat dinner on our patio to have a neighbor yell out “hey what are you eating? Got extra?” After 3 years…we’re used to it and I’m a “block watch captain”.
So I guess what I’m saying (hopefully you’ve skipped everything and are just reading this last line) is that I do believe that a “Seattle Freeze” works both ways. I know we have been “guilty” of just wanting to spend time with our kids after a long days work…so call me guilty. I do think that many various factors can impact a neighborhood’s warm/chill factor beyond the human factor…but if you’re a warm friendly neighbor who’s not on the FBI’s most wanted list…who’s gonna turn ya down?
hey everyone, i tried going through the comments above me, but there are 590 and by the time i reached 20, i was pooped. I’ve always wanted to live in Seattle and the only reason is because it rains so much. I LOVE RAIN!! I really think rainy days are beautiful. When the sky is overcast, its just so awesome as opposed to a stupid sunny day.
Anyways, so yea i know maybe its a dumb reason to consider moving, but thats not all. I know seattle has got a Boeing office, and since right now I’m in engineering, I was hoping to work and settle down there permanently.
I’m in Canada right now and I was wondering if Americans are more tolerable of immigrants? I’m an immigrant in Canada too and while the people are really nice, you sometimes do get that sense that they don’t want you in their country. I just dont want to feel unwelcome. So thanks for replying..
Len,
We’re so tolerant of “immigrants” in the Seattle area, we never even use the word “immigrant”. It’s Californians that have a problem here 🙂 They are blamed for the rise in home prices. Everyone else is just fine, and you clearly will NOT feel unwelcome.
Hi Len,
It was a misty day today, you’d have liked it! 🙂
hey, thanks ARDELL for your reply.. i was led to believe the US is more welcoming to foreigners. Ofcourse you have your share of hateful ppl everywhere but oh well…
And Deborah.. yup i sure would’ve liked it.. still have another four years before i can put these thoughts of moving there to action.
thanks again
http://reportcard.ospi.k12.wa.us/summary.aspx?year=2006-07
Here’s the link to school data. You can sort by district or specific school. The most recent data is from 2006-07. Test results should be taken with a grain of salt – in the case of our school, WASL results were skewed by including test results from our class of severely disabled kids. Any kid who chooses not to take the test gets a zero, which also brings the total down. Something to be aware of. A visit to the school will give you a much more accurate feeling about it obviously.
i LOVES sEATTLE and when I was there I had no rain 🙂
Hi Adrianna,
Thank you for sending the link on the schools!
Hi Brett,
Glad it was nice when you were here! People so often associate Seattle with rain, that in Aug they are surprised to learn that we can be asked to restrict watering our yards and washing our cars because there has been so little rain. Of course we still might have lots of cloudy days….and no rain!
Len,You’ll love Seattle but I wanted to say that Canada has been long ahead of its time excepting immigrants ,our country is the most multi cultural on the planet except for the Quebec region which goes out of its way to dislike everything not french. Oh well their loss. It also rains in Vancouver, maybe you could vacation there after you move to Seattle
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what do you mean by “It’s Californians that have a problem here They are blamed for the rise in home prices”
im from cali and i want to move to seattle will i be hated because of this? AHHH!!!
Hi Vina,
It could be “old news” now. Given the current state of housing conditions in CA, perhaps not.
Back in 2004, I heard it a lot. Not so much recently.
But change your tags ASAP just in case 🙂 And avoid comparisons like “in CA we…” as in CA did anything better 🙂
I remember years ago at a school board meeting in PA a woman stood up and said “in CA we have a Mello Roos tax to support the increased cost of newer schools”. Everyone looked at her like, well if they do it better, why don’t you go back there. Significant enough for me to still remember it.
Len, if you’re still around, I think people in Seattle are tolerant of immigrants, but of course that’s a generalization. I’m sure there are some exceptions.
Vina, it’s not so much that the locals don’t like people from California, it’s that we don’t like things from California (although members of Lesser Seattle, if it still organization exists, probably hate people from anywhere that move here). There was a store here that called itself “Mervins California.” I always thought that funny. Translated into Washingtonian, that means “Mervins Sucks.” For some reason the put “Mervins Sucks” on the front of all their stores.
Hi Vina,
LOL, that brings back memories to me! When I moved to Seattle from Southern California I had heard that too…so I avoided for a long time saying where I was from, I’d say I was born in Tucson (true!). But really it was silly.
ARDELL does bring up a very good point, no one wants to hear from a newcomer how “great” it was where they moved from….because then we’ll wonder why you don’t go back?
So when you move, celebrate how glad you are to now be in Seattle! 🙂
well id never complain about missing CA its dirty gross and hot and expensive
and also i used to work at mervyns! crazy lol yeah every store says “mervyns california” on it so i thought the store was only here so thats weird…oh and it does suck lol
anyway thats not the point but thanks for getting back to me!
The Mervyns post is really funny. I moving to the Seattle area from California? I’ve spent all of my adult life in Los Angeles, formative years in Bermuda and high school in Kansas. (I hate Kansas!) I wanted to move to Seattle 20 years ago but my then husband wouldn’t leave L.A. My friends can’t believe that I would leave L.A. for Seattle because all they can think about is overcast skys and rain. I’ve tried to explain that when one enters the second half of one’s life that priorities change. My priority is beauty and peace and I believe that this is what the Seattle area offers. Furthermore, a person attracts what a person is so I’m sure it’s going to be a great adventure for me!
Hi Vicki,
Seattle IS beautiful! And we have a nice mix of weather….this past weekend we set record highs, 90 on Saturday. OK, that is too hot for me, and I avoided the heat. But these mornngs have been so gorgeous and later this week we’ll be back to the 60’s and some rain to keep it all fresh and green!
Thanks Deborah.
My wife and I live in Boston but may be making the move to Seattle based on a great opportunity which might be happening for me (the “perfect job” which is gthe only way I’d ever leave Boston). My wife is a licensed, board certified Behavioral Consultant to school districts. We have a 3 year old son and a 9 month old daughter. I’m 37 and my wife is 34. Can someone answer the following for me?
1) Can someone list the Seattle school districts and which areas they serve?
2) Can someone recommend the best neighborhoods for mid-30’s young parents to live?
3) Can someone provide a realtor or realtors with detailed online house rental listings? We’ll eventually buy, but I see us probably renting for a year until we get our bearings. Ideally looking for a 3BR with a big yard and kids in the neighborhood.
4) Does anyone here work at Amazon? How’s the culture there?
many thanks. Great blog here. I come from Boston so the “Seattle Freeze” and “bad traffic” are likely non-issues. Having never been to Seattle, I can still safely say that I’d probably make it my #2 choice of places to live after Boston 😉
http://www.seattleschools.org/area/main/index.dxml
http://www.estately.com/
Rentals – try Craigslist and ask your Realtor about the rentals on the MLS
You should read about Amazon’s move here – http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/344495_amazon22.html
I would look into Eastlake, Greenlake, Wallingford & Queen Anne if you are interested in the City of Seattle vs the ‘burbs. It all depends on how far you want to drive to Amazon. Or ride the bus/light rail.
I have quite a few friends that work at Amazon … and love it. The recent spike in stock price also helps create happy employees!
Thanks for the info! Fingers crossed!
My partner and I are looking to relocate to Seattle next June (2009). I’m a certified secondary teacher in Language Arts and my partner is looking to work in Collections Management at a museum. My partner is looking to complete her masters at UW, but we don’t want to live in the U-district. We’re in our late twenties, so we’re not really able to spend a significant amount of money on rent, but we do have a dog. We are not looking to live in Seattle Proper (we couldn’t afford it, I’m sure), but we would like to find a place in a nice suburb close to UW. My questions are:
Are there many school districts near UW?
When is the general hiring period for school districts in Seattle?
Should we hire an apartment locater?
What is an affordable, safe, suburb?
Thank you in advance,
Ang
PS: Chris, I’m from Mass. Go Red Sox!! 🙂
Hi Ang,
There are good places to live and rent west and north (mostly north for affordability) of the UW that should work out well in terms of rent and having a dog. Depending on what you can spend for rent you
might look in the Greenwood/Phinney Ridge areas, or looking northward to Lake Forest Park, Shoreline, Lynnwood (this last one is in Snohomish county) and others.
link to Seattle School District – careers
http://www.seattleschools.org/area/hr/index.dxml
Also, Google “seattle school district” and you will also get the names of the others in King County
Snohomish County School District is:
http://www.sno.wednet.edu/
Craigslist should give you some idea of rents:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/
Also a book I used a lot for moving to Seattle in 1994, was Seattle Survival Giude II. It is now in it’s 4th edition and has a lot of good information in it ( I have that copy too!)
http://www.amazon.com/Seattle-Survival-Guide-Essential-Handbook/dp/1570613397
I hope this helps! 🙂
Oh California, gotta love the allure of it (I need to visit still:), but have two new co-workers who recently moved from CA at my employer who often drone endlessly on about the delights of San Diego and the vast palm trees. I don’t mind, in fact, I’m envious. This past month the broken, ominous clouds have seemed endless here in Seattle, but really it’s the most I’ve noticed them and the rain since I moved here nearly a year ago (that blog entry will FINALLY be coming very soon just as my one-year anniversary living here approaches now that the 150 hr pay periods are subsiding as well as class).
My mind tells me it’s mostly because at this time of year last year in Chicago I was immersed in the humidity and 90-degree weather, so it just seems a bit weird wearing sweaters in June. But I can’t complain too much – tepid is better than too hot. 🙂
Hi Karen,
Well, it’s been a funny last few months here weather wise! The weatherman last night said it’s been 90 years since Snoqualmie Pass has had snow in June…no wonder everyone growing tomatos says the poor plants are just shivering in the garden.
But San Diego has June Gloom too from marine low clouds and fog that linger into the afternoon for most of the city and even late afternoon on the coast…so your co-workers can’t say it’s that sunny in San Diego in June! BTW, I grew up in San Diego with the term “Jume Gloom”…so it’s a normal situation.
Can’t wait to read you Anniversary post!
Thank you, Deborah!!! I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions! We can’t wait to move to Seattle 🙂
Hi Ang!
You’re welcome and I hope you enjoy living here in Seattle! 🙂
I have an interview with Boeing this week and the position is for Auburn, Everett, Kent, Puyallup, Renton, SeaTac, Seattle, and Tukwila. Based on if I get to pick the location which areas are the best to live in? I’m 30, married, with 2 kids and we like to get out. Thanks for any advice!
Cory, I’m biased towards Renton (from what you’re offering for choices) and I would recommend checking out Burien and Des Moines. I was born and raised in Renton and it’s changed quite a bit.
Burien is really revitalizing their down town (kind of like what Renton did a few years ago). Both Burien and Des Moines are along the Puget Sound with varied price ranges for homes and very conveniently located to many freeways. When I lived in Des Moines, I felt like I was in the center of the world…well, okay..maybe more like the center of King County!
Hi Cory,
I lived in Edmonds for 16 years, have two kids in the Edmonds School District (great schools) and grew up in South Everett in the Mukilteo School District. Home prices are generally less expensive once you get out of the Seattle city limits. I’d also do a crime report comparing all those cities. The other thing to check out is our state’s WASL test scores, (Wash Assessment of Student Learning) on the public schools in those cities.
Good public schools often translates into desirable neighborhoods which further translates into stable home values. Here’s the WASL link:
http://www.k12.wa.us/assessment/WASL/overview.aspx
I’m also quite certain that the Edmonds Woodway High School football team could kick Rhonda’s alma mater’s butts.
I think Hazen’s changed quite a bit since I was there…but I understand that Mount Rainier High School (in the Highline School District) is georgous. Our kids go to Kennedy HS in Burien (private/Catholic)…NOT a very pretty looking school…but so far their education has been fine.
Cory, where at Boeing will you work? I always like to suggest to Boeing people that they buy “in the middle” of where they start working, and where they might be transferred. Or, if you are in Bellevue, you can do any direction!
So, if you start working in Everett, you won’t want to be in Renton, or south, and if you start in Renton, don’t buy in Everett.
Do you have any idea which plant you’ll be at, and what kind of job?
OK, I gotta throw a vote in for Hazen HS in Renton (Go Rhonda!)
My oldest son will be going there next year, and it draws entirely from his current middle school, Mc Knight.
Our experience with Renton schools has exceeded our expectations. We live in Bellevue, at the southernmost edge, and border Bellevue and Issaquah schools districts (2 blocks away for each).
Those districts are also excellent, though Bellevue does the best job of promoting it’s success. Given the choice, I’d still opt for Renton schools.
Hi, I am moving to Seattle in September and I was wondering where i could find the cheapest apartments/lofts either in the city or not far from it. Possibly in a “hip” part of town? If someone could throw me some locations and prices it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Hi Ryan,
My earlier reply to you around noon seems to not have made it through the filters (I had a several links in it) so I’ll split up the links.
The neighborhoods you might be interested for urban “hipness” would be Capitol Hill, Belltown, Lower Queen Anne, Westlake, Eastlake, and Fremont…the “Center of the Universe”
To get a bit of an introduction to some of them, try the Seattle Neighborhood Blogs on the side panel.
As for rents, the best place to check those out are Craigslist:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/apa/
For the best deal on renting, finding a roommate is good, and you meet more people that way:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/roo/
I’m posting this and will follow up with more info in the next comment.
Hi again Ryan,
Okay, part two to you….
To get a feel for Seattle, the Seattle Weekly is good:
http://www.seattleweekly.com/
For a more Alternative feel for Seattle, The Stranger:
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Home
Good luck with your move to Seattle!
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Hello all,
I’m a 23 year old living in a 40K town in the middle of nowhere New Mexico. I’m at that point now that I have to get out before it kills me, and Seatlle has been calling me at least so that I’m here researching the area. I have little college under my belt, but a lot of work experience and know-how.
Is Seatlle somewhere a small town boy, that hasn’t lived anywhere else, be the place to just pack up and move to? The weather, geography, etc., are my cup of tea as I’m used to dry, hot, wind and no rain and certainly, NO landscape.
Is the area friendly to a lone 23 year old guy? Would finding a job, a decent place to lay my head, and friends be much of a problem?
Any help is greatly appreciated!
Chip,
We have a friend who is much, much older than you who lives where you do. Problem is the cost of living is cheaper there. So he comes here and does production sets for plays and stays with a bunch of guys or a friend for nothing or very cheap. Makes a bunch of money, and then goes back to New Mexico where he can live off what he makes here for months. He’s setting up the new Shrek play right now and he stays until they take it down and it moves to NYC. He’s been in that line of work most of his life. The last play he did was Young Frankenstein. In between the two plays he was back in New Mexico.
He’s been living that way for several years, and it works for him. He gets the best of both places. His income here and his cost of living there.
You can find a job likely, but the cost of living could kill you. Take a look on Craig’s List for Seattle and see what it would cost to share a place. Maybe a room to lay your head in someone’s house or townhome. Getting your own place and starting a new job may not work out. Best if you line up a share situation for $400 a mo. or less and then save enough to pay a couple of months in advance to hold you until you get a job.
There’s a couple of ideas. I’ve never been a 23 year old boy and I’m a 54 year old woman 🙂 Maybe someone else will have some other ideas. My 22 year old daughter had no trouble getting a good job. My 25 year old soon to be son in law is not having as easy a time as she did. His work history was in the Army.
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Now if only I could get THAT job!
Haha, thanks Ardell for your input. I’ll check out Craig’s list see what people are offering, prices, etc.
What about surrounding areas? Doesn’t neccessarily have to be Seatlle. Are there smaller towns/cities in the surrounding area that meet my criteria?
Chip,
I include Bellevue, Redmond, Kirkland etc when I speak of “Seattle” to someone from another state. Room mate prices don’t change that much based on location. They have more to do with the quality of the housing. I’ve heard $400 to $600 in various locations. But I am also hearing that rent is going up, as happens when fewer people are buying and more people are renting. That’s both good and bad for you, as those who have room for another room mate may be taking more in to deal with increased rental prices.
Thank you all for the great advice on moving! I got the job at Boeing and my location is Everett. Does anyone have advice on where to live? Should I look in Everett, or maybe just outside of Everett? I’ve heard some bad things about Everett in other forums and my research shows a high rate of crime compared to the national average. Any help would be greatly appreciated since I start the second week of August! Once again I’m 30, married with 2 kids under 5 years of age.
Hi Cory…Congratulations!
You might want to look at Edmonds. It’s south of Everett, and north of Seattle, so you can still get to Seattle fairly easily. See Jillayne comment #620, since that is her general neighborhood.
Good Luck on your move!
Hi Cory,
Both Edmonds and Mukilteo have great schools….and the Boeing Everett plant is right next to the town of Mukilteo. If your wife works and you need to find preschool for your kids, let me know; I can give you some good places to start your search.
Wow! It’s mind blowing to read the comments about the “Seattle Freeze” and anti-Californians. It explains everything. My bf & I are getting the double dosage since moving here from Los Angeles 10 months ago (more me than him). At first, we made every attempt to say “Hello” to everyone who crosses our paths during our evening & weekend walks because that’s the nice thing to do. And I’m not going to peg everyone as being distant or unfriendly because 1/4 of the people did say “Hello” back (probably other fellow transplants or not). BUT. If we only knew what we know now, we might as well be wearing T-shirts saying: “Hi. Yes, we’re from California. We alone drove/will drive up your housing prices, and tell you so much how Californians did this & that better”. But, how can anyone generalize and hate people from CA without getting to know them first? Generalizing/stereotyping about any group, race, nationality, etc. is just one way of putting up the defensive wall before experiencing it for yourself for the nth time. Sorry if the first 25k or 50k or 100k Californians were greedy land mongers. But it’s really unfair to not give each individual different person some slack or better yet a chance wherever they come from.
jt,
How do they know you’re from CA? I hope you changed your plates 🙂
Maybe they are still tan?
LOL, Ardell & Leanne.
So I’m wondering how a Floridian might be received in Seattle (?), heehee. Not too many of us up there, I would imagine.
Seriously evaluating a relocation to Seattle next year, but a decent career opportunity would need to be “in-the-bag”.
Would any of you wise souls have advice on job listing sites that tend to offer better job leads? (I.M.O., Monster, for example, seems to be loaded with crap job listings.)
Hi Isak,
You might want to look at Craigslist in their “Jobs” section:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/
There are some interesting postings there, and try this site:
http://www.indeed.com/
Good luck! 🙂
Hi Deborah,
I never would’ve considered Craigslist for job listings, but I guess I should be open to it. And Indeed looks VERY interesting; had never heard of it until your mention.
You rock, lady!
If/when I make it over to Puget Sound and I’m ready to look-into some real estate, I’ll be sure to find you again.
Thanks again & best regards,
Isak
🙂
LOL Isak!
You’re Welcome and I hope you find a cool, interesting job!
Seattle is very different from Florida…I’ve been twice and while all the tropical vegetation is spectacular, it’t too hot and humid for me!
Good luck! : -)
They probably know we’re from CA from our outgoing happy attitude. I guess something Ardell & Leanne don’t know too much about. They’re still suffering from S.A.D. and probably deficient in Vit. A&D which probably affects their happiness & friendliness to new people.
I’m also an immigrant (of 35 yrs) so I tan easily as any non-caucasian would be when put in the sun for 5 min. As for my bf, he’s Caucasian & doesn’t get tanned at all. So does Ardell/Leanne have something against tanned or immigrant people? Pointing out Ardell’s comment about tolerance: “We’re (Seattlites) so tolerant of “immigrants
I have just accepted a job offer to move from Detroit area to Seattle and get out of automotive and into “insurance” 🙂 Yeaaaa! I have been reading these blogs for the last few months during the interview process and it has been VERY helpful THANK YOU to all that post the useful information. I have been to Seattle a handful of times, and the last time was for the purpose of finding a place to live. I am ‘stuck’ on West Seattle. I love the vibe, the beach access, and the views…My question is – does anyone have any opinion on West Seattle High? Or other local HS? I have 2 that will be attending. I love the location, but I would better love a real opinion on the quality. I am thrilled about re-locating to my favorite city in the US – can’t wait! Also, my son plays lacrosse – does anyone know of any clubs for teenagers?
My very multi racial family is eager to come and meet all the wonderful people of Seattle. August 15th, here we come.
Thanks again for all the information….
jt, # 643, wow, you’re coming down pretty hard on light hearted comments. And simply mean-spirited in the nasty comments about someones profile and photo. As my grandmother would say, “stop it , that’s just uncalled for.”
Seattlites more than anything are “from somewhere else”. Anytime you’re in a group of 6 or more – ask for a show of hands for the Seattle natives, vs those who moved here from elsewhere.
YOU are in the majority, not the minority – really. The growth we’ve had in the entire Puget Sound region did not come from people having mass quantities of babies ….. it came from people moving here because the Seattle natives were so fun :-). Ok, maybe it was for jobs! 🙂
And, having an open attitude, and enjoying banter for banter’s sake might also be more fun than deciding to make it be a negative participation :-).
#644 MB, stay excited! You’re going to love it here!
Happy fireworks, everyone.
MB, West Seattle is a wonderful community, and has lots of homes with ‘personality’!
There is an unusual high school in Des Moines, which possibly might interest your kids. It is called Aviation High School, and is in the public school system, it is not a private high school.
http://www.aviationhs.org/pub/jw_flv_player/ahs07.html
I love their mission and vision statements:
MISSION: To prepare all students for college, career and citizenship through a personalized, rigorous and relevant learning experience that is facilitated in the context of aviation and aerospace.
VISION: To be the premier public high school of choice for students in King County and the region who wish to pursue their passion for aviation and aerospace in a learning environment that prepares them for higher education, citizenship, and work.
Welcome to Jet City! 🙂
# 639 Isak, I know lots of Floridians who want to move ‘home’ to Seattle, even tho they are from somewhere else. Several years ago, I drove a 15′ Ryder truck from Seattle to Tampa with an old roommate who was relocating to FLA to be with her kids and grandkids. She’s yearning to be home in Seattle more than anyone can imagine, I keep telling her to write resumes for her kids, and send them out to recruiters and employers, and get them some interviews! 🙂
That road trip by the way, was a total blast, even tho we basically kept to the interstates since we were also pulling her car on a trailer behind the big truck.
MB, I live in West Seattle and LOVE IT for the same reasons you mention. It is almost like living on an island and especially will be once they figure out the viaduct.
We have three teens and they do not go to WS High School. They bus to Kennedy in Burien (private Catholic). Kennedy has a lacrosse club–it’s kind of funny, the school is not treating it as a team sport but does play in competitions. We’ll see if they change and reclassify it.
West Seattle has great restaurants and you can walk to just about anything if you’re near Alki, Admiral or the Junction.
I lived in Des Moines before too. It is also a great neighborhood–not as “city” as W Sea. It’s smaller town feel on the Sound and great public schools.
Here’s WASL info on WS HS: http://tinyurl.com/WSwasl
Good luck and welcome to Seattle!
Hi MB,
Congratulations on moving to Seattle…and specifically West Seattle!
I hope you were able to listen in to Dustin’s recent interview with Tracy from the West Seattle Blog, it not, here is the link:
http://www.raincityguide.com/?s=west+seattle+blog+interview&searchbutton=Site+Search
Also, have you been reading the West Seattle blog? Dustin has a link to it on the side panel, there is so much great stuff on it!
http://westseattleblog.com/blog/
About HS’s the best I can say is to check out the Seattle Public Schools website at:
http://www.seattleschools.org/area/main/index.dxml
I got some interesting hits on Google when I entered “high school lacrosse clubs in seattle” so you might want to do the same and see where that takes you.
Welcome to Seattle! I hope you and your family enjoy wonderful lives here!
Hey Rhonda:
What is that tiny url thing!
I hate pasting massive urls in blogs, is that some kind of application?
Roger, kind of off topic but…visit http://www.tinyurl.com to make your url’s shorter. 🙂
Hi!
I’m a 21 year old recent grad from MA, looking to get into the non profit music scene, and looking for a new change of scenery. Unfortunately, I didn’t decide on Seattle until a week or so ago, and have to be there by Sept. 1st.
Any suggestions on the best place to live?? I’m looking for something where I can walk to restaurants, coffee shops, stores, etc. Im big into music, and am looking to play out on a regular basis as well, so some place where the music scene is kickin would be cool. I want to be somewhere social, that will force me out of my room and to meet as many people as possible. But I also can’t afford to pay more than $400 or so a month for a place, and need to find a roommate fast!
Moving cross country is a big leap, and I don’t have the time or money right now to fly out and visit before I move, so I’m headed there blind. Any advice would be great!!!! Thanks so much!
Thank you to all for all of the good West Seattle information. I will check out the schools you recommended. I will check out the Lacrosse suggestions as well. All of you confirmed my decision as correct. I am so impressed with how helpful everyone has been. I am looking so forward to the move – August 9th, here we come 🙂
To everyone, happy belated 4th of July!!
HI Caitlin!
Welcome to Seattle! The best place to find a roommate is the housing, rooms/shared section of Craigslist, be sure to look in Seattle, and not Seattle/Tacoma.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/
There is a lot there to look through, although in the $400 range it is more limited.
The areas you would likely be most interested are Capitol Hill, Fremont, Green Lake, Downtown (expensive) Georgetown and other areas near the Seattle metro core. The thing is it’s more expensive, so you’ll be sharing less space.
One of the Capitol Hill Blogs has written about how everyone they know is in a band….when I remember which one I’ll come back.
This link will take you to Walkscore, a great way to see how walkable a neighborhood is. The links page rates different Seattle neighborhoods and you can also enter a speicfic address to find out more about a place you are considering sharing with a roommate.
http://www.walkscore.com/rankings/Seattle
Because I have two more links, I will continue in another answer so I dont’ get caught in moderation…..
I’m back!
Also, to get a taste of Seattle and music scene, check out both the Seattle Weekly:
http://www.seattleweekly.com/
The Stranger:
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Home
Both papers have ads for roommates and music/bands needing members.
Don’t forget to place you own ads looking for a roommate or people interested in non-profit music….you never know what you might uncover! Craigslist is free, not sure about the online newspapers.
Good luck, and welcome to Seattle!
Hi MB,
You’re welcome! We hope you have a great move and that you find Seattle to be a wonderful place to live for you and your family!
Thanks so much for all of your advice Deborah! I’ll start my searching! Thanks for such a detailed answer!
Hi Caitling,
You’re welcome!
Good luck on your move to Seattle! 🙂
Whoops sorry about the extra “g” there Caitlin!
I have wild, cursed courser and letters sometimes get moved to somewhere else as the course jumps around the screen!
Okay, here’s the deal. I love Seattle. Everytime I visit, I hate leaving. I’ve only been there during the georgous summertime. I know it’s deceptive. I see a grey day, but not a grey rainy 6 months. I want to move there sooooo bad. I love everything about the town. It so cultural and diverse. I’ve grown up in Texas all of my life, I’ve had no problems with race here (black woman), but I’m in Dallas which is a nice city, but materialistic of course, and you have to get in your car everywhere. I have no ties to this place whatsoever, I just need the balls to get up and go. The hardest thing I’m having with packing up and leaving is that I own my own home. You know the experience of no share walls, having a yard, and earning equity are my pluses. I have good friends in Seattle, and there seem like there’s so much to do within a smaller space. I would love to walk, or catch the bus with no worries. Can someone convince me, please?
BTW just left there on Sunday July 6, had a blast. As usual.
Hi Meeka!
Well, I did the same thing in 1994, only I did not know anyone who lived in Seattle, and I have been very happy that I did!
It looks like you just need a tiny, tiny push to get you up here…so consider this a nice push …. 🙂
It does get gray and drizzly for long periods, and that can get people down, have you been up here in the winter? I do think that if you are careful to make sure the place you are living is not underneath dark trees (lots of places in Seattle are) and there is good light, then even in the winter it is fine. We do have some wonderfully dazzling sunny days in winter too!
Home prices are higher in Seattle than in Dallas, so your housing dollars won’t go as far, especially closer in to the Metro Seattle areas. Of course those are the areas that have greater “walkabililty” too.
When you have been here before, did you get a feel for what area you prefer here in Seattle?
Okay….p-u-s-h……… 🙂
hi My name is bruna and im brasilian but i live in montreal canada but i always wanted to move to seattle and u kinda make me change my mind but i still want to move far away from everyone that i know but i need to talk with someone who can tell me how things r in there i mean tell me everything about USA so if u could send me a mail so we can talk i mean wright ill be very thankfull
my mail is bru_vorp@live.ca and i have 19 yearsold 😛 thank u
Hi, I am posting again with some questions. I’m 32yrs old, work in Finance. I plan on moving to Seattle out of NY early spring for a better quality of life for me and my two children. 6 and 5, I would like to live somewhere near seattle for better job apportunity. But since living within the seattle vacinity can be costly, can anyone suggest some towns/city nearby that are somewhat close…with a suburbs feel and better schools??? As I will do my job search in Seattle, I would like to see cost of living in those nearby towns. Being a single mother of two small kids is a bit it will be challanging to start over not knowing anyone. I would also like to chat with young mothers/single mothers who may have some advice.
Hi again –
Can anyone share experiences about the school of choice program in Seattle High Schools. We are running into major issues getting our two teenage boys into a school that is within a reasonable distance from where we want to live. HELP!
Any suggestions?
MB
I think its funny reading some of the above comments about the “gay areas” in seattle. Who the F, would move somewhere just because more gay people live there??
As a straight person I would not use sexual preference demographics to decide where I want to live.
Seriously sometimes I wonder wtf are wrong with people.
Hey everyone! I’m so glad I found this site. My fiance and I will be moving there either by the first week of Feb. or by the first week of june. We both have bad credit and will be moving up there without jobs. Risky I know but we are very ready for a change. Does anyone have any good ideas about where we can rent from that is safe for me to walk my dogs at night with a nice scenic background or at least safe and close to pike market are?
Thanks!
Hi everyone. My fiance and I are going to move there either by the first week of june or by the first week of feb. Does anyone know how to get a safe and good apt. or something like it either near the university or pike’s market? We will be moving without jobs risky I know but its time to move. We also do not have good credit and we have 2 dogs :o) Also what is the difference of the weather in those 2 moths?
Thanks
“Don’t compare [both better and worse] Seattle to where you came from when speaking to the locals; it makes them uncomfortable.”
“Stay ‘neutral:’ until you get to know someone. Seattlites avoid conflict.”
“Seattlites are listeners more than talkers, but only listen to the people around whom they’re comfortable.”
“Don’t be surprised if the locals make goo goo faces at your dog but frown at your kids.”
OK…being flown out from Boston for an interview in Bellevue on Friday after six interviews. Can anyone give me the lowdown on Bellevue, ie: best places to buy or rent a house, areas to avoid, viable suburbs which would allow for the most painful commute, etc?
In my opinion there aren’t any areas you need to avoid in Bellevue. The commute is pretty good everywhere, but of course sticking closer to freeways doesn’t hurt.
Hi! I am considering relocating to Seattle sometime in the not-too-distant future. At the moment, I have to stay here in Georgia to help care for my terminally ill father. Later on, though, I hope to become a Seattle resident. I will have a Master degree in Library and Information Science and hope to find a position within the Seattle Public Library system. I’m an artistic guy, interested in many things (mountains, Native American culture, archaeology, making silver jewelry, Buddhism, etc.), and I really want to find a place where I can experience a vibrant, creative community that is also ethnically diverse and not overly conservative. Does Seattle sound like a good place for me? If so, are there areas with good apartment rentals that aren’t right in the middle of the city? I tend to like more natural surroundings. : ) I won’t be able to relocate for a while, so I have time to gather information and think upon things.
Thanks!
By the way, I just purchased my first Utilikilt…it’s what started me thinking about Seattle in the first place! *grin*
You’re are so right about the rain. I’ve visited Seattle 5 times in the past 10 years for stays of 3 to 7 days. Not once was it not raining. But, on the bright side, the rain really doesn’t affect one’s day to day life. It’s just like having to walk everywhere in NY. Or dealing with endless one-way streets in Boston, or trying to find fast food in rural areas of our country, or trying to buy liquor on Sundays in Connecticut. You learn to deal with it and you prepare for it.
Seattle offers so much beauty and things to do. If you’re a water person Seattle has a lot of it. Puget Sound is amazing. And real estate, for the most part, is not overpriced. (yet).
I visited Seattle back in the 70’s and it was raining then! All of you silly people should move down to sunny Orange County, Ca. I’m a realtor and would be thrilled to help you make the move!!
Hello everyone! I’m a 26 year old loner currently living in Phoenix, AZ and planning on moving next spring up to the Seattle area. I currently work in online advertising for a media company down here in Phx, but also have a background in marketing and human resources. I’m 3+ years out of college making around 50K/year. I have seen all of these posts about the actual city area of Seattle, but my interests lie in the more “rural areas” outside of Seattle. I am originally from a small middle of nowhere type town in Indiana, and have been living in the downtown are of Phx now for 3 years….feeling the need to slow down a little bit and enjoy the simple things! I’ve heard some good things about the port towns, like Port Angeles or Port Townsend…do any of you have any good/bad things to say about these areas? Or know of any areas similar to these that would be good to check out? I will be going on two trips up there in the fall to scout out areas. I am planning on renting awhile first, but then eventually want to invest in some property. Another addition to this is that I have a horse that I will be moving up from Phx a few months after I move, another reason for a more rural area…more possibilities to find somewhere to board him! How is travelling from these areas to the city? Traffic can be pretty bad in areas down here in Phx, but I don’t know anything about ferries etc…so any info on that would be beneficial as well. Thank you!
Hi Krista,
Port Townsend is a long ways away from Seattle. Last time I visited I felt like I was in a time warp. Lots of aging, liberal hippies live there. (Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, RCG readers.) The lifestyle is more laid back. If you need to work close in to Seattle or Bellevue and want to be near your horse, there are a couple of communities I can recommend. Woodinville is kind-of cool because it’s near the vortex of Interstate 5 and Interstate 405 and there are many horse trails nearby as well as boarding places. Also check out Duvall.
The other community that is definitely horse-friendly and still within decent commute distance to Seattle or Bellevue is a small town in South Snohomish County called Brier.
There are other more rural towns north of Seattle in the next county north of Seattle called Snohomish County. Check out the cities of Monroe and Arlington. I know people who commute from these cities into Seattle but they hate their commute. It’s better to consider commuting into the city of Everett if you’re going to live north of Marysville.
I just saw the movie “American Teen” which I believe is set in Indiana. North Snohomish County might be a good match.
Good luck with your move and welcome to WA State!
Krista, consider Whidbey Island. Whidbey is quite rural, very affordable compared to Seattle, yet south Whidbey is less than 40 miles from downtown Seattle. Boarding your horse would be no problem.
Buses are free on Whidbey, you ride a 20-minute ferry to Mukilteo, then if you are lucky enough to work in downtown Seattle, you catch the morning train to King Street Station, and the evening train home. Approx one hour each way per the schedules at http://www.soundtransit.org. Cost? About $4 per ride. Free wifi too.
As far as I can tell, Sound Transit was invented for Whidbey commuters :-)!
Krista, you might want to check out Vashon Island, too. Just a ferry ride to West Seattle,
Good luck!
Thank you so much for the information so far, everyone! If anyone else out there has any more to contribute, keep it coming!
I moved to seattle from northern california a year ago and have hated every second of living in this friggen place! Easily the most self-inflated city I have ever had the displeasure of living in. People here blatantly stick up for seattle even though they know very well it has serious life sustainment issues (ie depressing weather year round, lousy social network, bad weather, uninspiring bland architecture of city layout and buildings, dense population means you can’t escape from the people without having to drive 2 hours out of town on the traffic ridden freeways…. and so on).
Seattle is broken. Im sorry locals….. your city is a terrible place to call home… its a beautiful city to visit, but it just isn’t long term material. Oh yeah, and don’t worry, I do walk the talk… As I write this I am packing up my bags and getting ready to move back to CALIF… good riddance!
I do agree that Seattle isn’t for everybody and maybe it wasn’t for you. I’ve had various friends move back to their respective states after a short time in Seattle. They had their reasons for moving back home and they were valid.
Seattle has many amazing things going for it that has captured my attention and made it home for me.
I’ve posted this before, but I don’t buy that Seattle is a hard city to meet people. I know SO MANY people that think just the opposite about Seattle.
Here is my feelings on your points:
DEPRESSION WEATHER – OK, it’s cloudy a lot and if you don’t like that – might not be the city for you. But I love that we don’t have super hot days or super cold days with very low humidity. Living most of my life in the upper Midwest makes Seattle’s weather great for me. How many cities can you be on a boat in 10 minutes and out on the water in a major city? The boating community loves our weather and our natural beauty.
SOCIAL NETWORK – I think most folks that make this statement need to look in the mirror more often. Maybe you are the Debbie/Dave Downer of the group and need to bring more life into network!
CITY LAYOUT – Seattle has a lot to improve with our transportation projects, but it has a very active downtown core that most US Cities aspire to have. Seattle has a “Top 10
Matt makes great points. I think no matter where you go, you’ll hear some people say “people appear friendly, but thy aren’t” (or “people just aren’t nice”) and others will swear up and down that people are kind and outgoing.
Thousands of people have found friends and acquaintances in Seattle. Apparently some haven’t.
PS: Seattle is a city. Cities tend to be dense AND they tend to require a little travel to get out of the city. A lot of us like the positive effects of density, like being able to walk to the store and supporting good transit.
Doesn’t matter where you go you can’t escape yourself. If you were a miserable person in Utah,Texas, Cal etc… you’ll probably be a miserable person in Seattle. If you didn’t meet women back “home” you won’t meet them now! Seattle is a great city but it can’t fix you. You have to do that yourself.
I want to move to Seattle for the cooler, misty weather. I’ll enjoy getting to meet new people in the various neighborhoods and feel good about being more environmentally “correct” by taking the public transit.
Every community has its ups and downs…I seriously doubt that any place is absolutely perfect, but it’s what you bring to the community that makes it what it is. I’m hoping to bring my senses of adventure, artistry, friendliness, and my avant-garde ideas to Seattle one day when I finally can relocate there…and I’m sure that I will quickly come to love the place!
To say that Seattle’s “just like every other city” regarding the social culture is to say that Helsinki is just like Paris.
Seattle’s culturally notably different from, say Atlanta, Dallas, Washington DC, Boston, NY, Memphis, Los Angeles, Saint Louis, etc.
Pretty similar in many ways to San Francisco (although cheaper, worse weather), Minneapolis (although more expensive, better weather).
Depends on what you like. I’m sure many of the people who don’t like Seattle might like another city just fine; likewise, people who really love Seattle would probably not thrive in many of the other cities mentioned.
Matter of personal taste, really, but also not valid to say that someone’s idiosyncratic complaints about Seattle apply to any other city and that the problem lies within the person complaining. Best solution for that is to move and open up room for someone who might like it here — not (as some would suggest) seek out a therapist to explain why Seattle isn’t your cup of tea.
To the original blog, I don’t see how red state/blue state politics would affect someone’s view of traffic. Aren’t liberals also entitled to also live in the suburbs and gripe about congestion?
Wow. Thank you for this thread- super informative as well as nice to hear so many people enthusiastically defending their hometown!
I, too, am looking to relocate. I have lived in Cleveland, Upstate NY, Richmond, VA and Huntsville, AL and none have truly felt like home to me. After the last two years here in AL, unable to find a job (I am an unemployed Art Teacher K-12), I have decided it is time to find greener pastures. Looking for a totally different climate, scenery, social structure, a place with cultural or historical significance, diversity, a rich art community, access to recreational activities, and teaching opportunities as well as opportunities for Higher Education. I’ve narrowed it down to Boston or Seattle and can’t decide. What do you think? Moving with a friend in May (who is gay- so a city that is gay friendly is really important to me also!).
Do you find the public school systems support the arts?
Will I run into the same problem I am having here- where schools won’t hire you if you didn’t grow up in this bloodsucking town (hsv not seattle)
Does it snow? I don’t want a lot, just enough to catch my breath one morning when i wake up to freshly fallen snow… and snow on Christmas would be fabulous.
Do you think a teacher and a starving artist/student can afford to live in Seattle?
Thanks again, I really appreciate all these posts and the wealth of information you guys have!
Hi Stephani, it is difficult to get a job in the Seattle schools, particularly for art teachers.
There is very little snow – 1-2 inches is mayhem and happens 1-2 times a year. There is no snow on Christmas. Ever. Maybe once, but it melted before 10AM.
A teacher and starving artist can make rent here, but it’s tough.
Hi Stephani,
I read (somewhere) that Seattle has the second-largest, per capita, concentration of gay folks.
When I visited in March of 2007, I found the gay-scene (gay & lesbian, for that matter) quite dynamic, so you should have no worries in that regard.
Cheers!
Gigglewolf
I have only been to Seattle once and I loved it. I hate Houston, it is a blazing inferno here, and I LOVE RAIN. It could rain every day of my life and I wouldn’t be happier. I can’t wait to sell my house in a couple of years and relocate to Seattle.
Hi, My husband is from Seattle and mentions to me that these top ten are right on…:)
Thanks,
Shannon
Hey,
I’m a little further away then most on here looking to relocate to Seattle, I’m originally from Guernsey Channel Islands but currently in Bristol (UK).
I can easily make peace with the weather, and the linguistic changes of moving to America.
I’m more worried about finding a job, and meeting some cool people!
What sort of jobs are most abundant in Seattle? I mean like legal work, office stuff etc.
I’m really thinking that Seattle sounds like a brilliant place to live, so any advice from people in the know would be brilliant!
Cheers
Luke
Seattle sounds like a pretty nice place. I’ve always heard its beautiful… along with the rain! It must be very green and lush.
East side is a beauty to live. Especially cougar mountain. Living in lush green mountains with a 20 minute commute to Seattle and Bellevue.
I lived here for a year before I put my lovely, bright and romantic home on sale:
http://www.estately.com/listings/info/1462956
I have a question as a newcomer to Seattle: Why do people keep calling the 23rd and Jackson area a “Transitional Neighborhood”?
You have a lot of investment going on in that area – so it’s “transitioning” to more attractive housing.
The townhomes in this project are priced in the mid $600’s … and they are quite amazing!
http://www.elementalarchitecture.com/projects/commercial/23rdavelw.html
Think “gentrification”.
Jon,
I sold a house near there back in 2004 that had been burned out and gutted and abandoned for years. Someone bought it and totally renovated and restored it. A transitional house in a transitional neighborhood. New blood coming in with money and resurrecting some beat up properties. Others being torn down and new ones coming up.
Almost every City has a good location close to town that is run down until more than a few someones are willing to invest and live there.
Hi All –
Found this blog a couple of weeks ago and managed to get through ALL the posts – amazingly informative. Thanks. I actually have a couple of questions, but before I ask – I wanted to comment on the humorous “Seattle Freeze” posts. Now I’ve never lived in Seattle, but am planning on moving shortly, so I can’t speak from any first-hand experience, but from what I’ve read, here’s my two cents… – I’m originally from NYC and unfortunately recently from LA, and it seems that the majority of the people that think the freeze truly exists are people that find southern Cali a great place to live… yuck! Seattleites seem very much like New Yorkers – “I’m going to live my life and if you fit in that, cool. We can be friends.” Personally, I respect and appreciate that attitude so much more than an LA wannabe who says ‘let’s get coffee’ and never really wants to hang out – so I am VERY much looking forward to getting up there….
But, I would like to meet people and hopefully make some friends. I’m in my mid-30s and coming up all alone and was wondering if anyone has any good info on Sports Leagues and Volunteer work… I’m looking to find some recreational softball/kickball/soccer teams for FUN (or any other fun social activities)… as well as try and contribute to the community (street clean-ups/shelters/etc)… any help would be greatly appreciated… and I’m sure I’ll have more questions soon…. Thanks…
Nick
http://www.seattleworks.org/
http://www.underdogseattle.com/
http://www.seattleantifreeze.com/
Also look up Seattle Anti Freeze on Facebook!
Thanks Matt…. This is a great start…..
I have always loved Seattle (maybe thats Frasier induced…) and i am thinking of moving there to go to college… any advice?
After I live somewhere for a year or two I feel like I not only figure out exactly what neighborhood I belong in, but also get pretty good at ‘diagnosing’ newcomers. It seems like when you know your area well you can talk to someone for five minutes and usually tell him exactly where he should get his new apartment. But, I’m about to move to Seattle, a city I’ve never been to. And, because I’ll only be there a year or so, I’ll be gone before I know where I should have been! So, I’m hoping one of you might be able to “diagnose” the right neighborhood for me given a few facts. Please tests your wits and help me land happily!
The firmest geographical parameter is that my partner will be working downtown and he wants to live a long walk or short bus ride away from his office. I’ll mostly be shut up inside writing a dissertation, so to stay sane my priorities are to live in walking distance to places that support my two healthiest hobbies: a yoga studio and farmer’s market.
We’re in our early 30’s with no kids, and we’ll have a car but we want to live in a very walk-able neighborhood with unique shops, cafes, etc. So far it sounds to me like Capitol Hill, Freemont, parts of Queen Anne, and maybe Eastlake or Westlake would be contenders.
I’ve lived in Austin, Texas, in New Jersey, in Manhattan and Brooklyn, in San Francisco and in Berkeley and my favorite neighborhood so far is North Berkeley…I also loved Brooklyn. We want cool and interesting but not in an undergrad-frat-bar or an artists-and-addicts sort of way. We want safe and pretty but not in a snooty-rich-ladies or baby-obsessed-moms sort of way. We want convenient and lively but not in a chain-stores and honking horns sort of way. Can anyone say “aha! you obviously want to live in…”!?
Thanks so much for any help. And, if you do have a suggestion please tell me really specifically because I’m getting confused about for example, what differentiates the parts of Queen Anne or why Westlake is in one book I have and not in another one. Just where on the map are the ‘hubs’ of cool stuff that it would make sense to live next to?
I’m real partial to West Seattle. The Admiral district has nice shops and cafes and is very walkable…I don’t think it’s snooty–but I am biased (I live in WSea). 😉
Hi!
Great site! I’m moving to the Seattle area from Ohio in a few short months. I have been apartment hunting online but places that look wonderful on websites have bad reviews on others. I’ll be working in Kent and would like something withing a 40 minute drive (traffic really that bad??). I love hiking and mountain biking and wilderness so I’m guessing west is best? My fiance and I are in our mid-twenties with no kids so schools don’t matter. Any suggestions of cities that I should take a look at? I’m in the Cleveland area now so anyone that knows some comparisons would be great!
I guess I would either like something chic-urban or something in the ‘boonies’ (opposites, I know). ANNNNY suggestions would help me out ALOT!
Hi all. Wonderful website—I’m still only halfway through reading it.
I plan to move to the Seattle area from San Diego next year and found a cool website http://www.city-data.com that tells all kinds of statistics about the city. One thing caught my attention: crime.
I compared Seattle’s data to San Diego and found that Seattle had a significantly lower rate of most crimes except theft. However, Seattle’s crime index for 2007 was 490 (the higher the number, the more crime), while San Diego’s was only 340. I know that location greatly influences the crime rate, but any thoughts on the matter?
As a side note, I’m Jewish and found that networking at Jewish events is a great way to meet people. Does anybody know about the young (20s, 30s, 40s) single Jewish scene, if there are groups, clubs organizations, outings, and the like?
Thanks, and keep up the great website!
brooke… Ballard. Look at ballard. Transit is good in that area, it is urban and residential at the same time, you can go to a bar for jazz or some local indie music, or watch the ships come in the lochs… get chai at the chai house, go for a cupcake, shop for truely weird items at Archie McPhees. And yes, there is yoga and a farmer’s market…. during the summer. In the winter, we have the PCC, which is a fabulous natural foods co-op. Your husband would be looking at about a 15 minute bus ride to downtown.
The differences between the areas of Queen anne? It’s a big hill. Imagine it this way: the south slope is by the Seattle Center. While the view is beautiful and you can walk a lot of places, it’s also very close to downtown and parking sucks. Bonus:amazing views of the 4th of July. Upper Queen Anne is the top of the hill, fairly affluent, old, old houses… nice but expensive. The west slope is sort of built into the side of the hill. All residential and CRAZY roads. It’s also referred to as the S slope. I know it’s misleading but it actually refers to the network of “s” shaped roads that go switchback up the hill. It’s a cool neighborhood, as long as you don’t want to park a car. Within 5 miles of your house. Ever. The North slope is mostly residential/industrial, and the East slope consists of a few condos and hwy 99. Eastlake is probably mentioned in some books and not in others because it’s sort of an up-and-coming neighborhood. There’s not much there yet, but there will be.
Honestly. Ballard.
Jen. You’re in a tough spot. Kent is a weird place to have to drive to… if you want to go rural, I’d suggest Maple Valley it’s beautiful, but pretty far out… probably the furthest you would want to go if you were looking for someplace city-like would be south Bellevue, which is more suburban…. The Eastside as a whole is pretty nice… traffic on the 405 can be brutal, and the West Valley Hwy isn’t much better… so you might be better looking for “boonies”. :o)
Hey Everyone!
I’m 19 and will be moving up to Seattle in June to get my BS in nursing from Seattle University (transferring from school in San Diego). I’m most likely looking at apartments downtown, within 20-25 minutes of walking distance from Seattle U.
I have some questions:
-For those of you who live downtown–do I need my car? Because I’m thinking that I’ll just walk/ ride my bike to school and around downtown. (My brother lives in Enumclaw and works in Seattle, which is one of the reasons I’m choosing Seattle U.)
-Is the downtown area pretty safe (for a petite 19 year-old girl)?
-How are the hiking and photography opportunities in and out of the city?
-I’ve got mixed answers for this one, but is Seattle a good place to meet new people?
-I hear the music scene is AWESOME. Anyone like underground rap/ hip-hop or know any good venues for that type of music?
Cara,
1. You do not need your car.
2. Downtown is safe DEPENDING on which part you’re in. My friend who lives by the viaduct gets harassed a lot.
3. Hiking opportunities abound. And photo ops. You’re 19, so you can’t rent cars or get flexcar though, so you better have a car or have people to shlep you to the hills.
4. It depends on who you are if it’s good to meet people.
5. Check out The Stranger’s local 206 hiphop column.
Why aren’t you living on Capitol Hill? Downtown is expensive, farther from campus, and it’s definitely harder to meet people there. Nightlife isn’t as exciting for the youths downtown either – in fact it’s 100% dead for people who are under 21, so come prepared.
Galen-
Thanks so much for all the help. I hadn’t even looked in Capitol hill, but now I’ve found some apartment buildings I’ll add to my list when I visit next month.
The Stranger is an awesome resource for music and pretty much everything else in Seattle!
Do you have any more tips for me living/ working/ going to school, in Seattle?
Thanks again– Cara
Seattle is a life sink.
I moved from california recently. You will end up spending your 3 week summers scurrying around looking for places to go to take advantage of the limited number of sunny days, or going to the standard/mundane cultural events around the area. Winter is about 9 months long and people either work 90 hours a week or sit around their house.
Seattle really isn’t all that beautiful either… The surrounding scenery (as in like anything outside of a 50 mile radius circle from the city) is pretty nice, but the city itself is grungy, full of sad depressed looking people, and lacking substance.
The city lacks a soul. Nothing inspires you here. People who do like it here either: A) have never lived in a truly great place before, B) enjoy bleak endless cloudy weather, C) are workaholics, D) like living in socially inept environment, or E) all of the above!
Now before you think i’m just a negative person, I’m not. While it is possible to find happiness in seattle, you will have to work a hell of a lot harder at it, and the result still isnt as good.
That being said, I am currently trying to escape! lol
OK, passive aggressive Travis – I’m not negative, but let me tell you why my life sucks in Seattle.
To answer your points:
A) Seattle is an amazing city that has extremely high tourism – so all of those people are wrong? It actually is a truly great city – I’ve lived many places. Seattle isn’t for everyone, but neither is any city.
B) Cloudy, yes it is – a lot … it’s not for everyone especially if you are from Southern California. If you love 85 & sunny every day – Seattle isn’t for you.
C) Yes, Seattle has a high work ethic and a lot of companies want to hire Seattle-ites which is great for job growth and the local economy – ask Michigan if this is a good thing.
D) I’ve said this before and I’ll say this again – anyone that says Seattle is hard to meet people – please look in the mirror and get out from behind your PC every once in a while – not a true statement at all. Get involved in something – anything!
E) All of the above is true – Seattle is a great city.
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To everyone who wants/intends to move to our fair city, if you love it, really love it, please do not move here! There is so little left of the city you and I love due to razing our neighborhoods to make room for half-million-dollar tenement-condos, so few Seattlites left after being pushed out and having our housing costs raised so high to pay subsidies to developers for the tenement-condos (to sell to the hoards of newcomers) and having our jobs outsourced or given to out-of-staters moving here…please do not add to our distress. We constantly hear people disillusioned that Seattle people aren’t the way they’d alway heard we are–it’s because there are so few of us left. We are endangered, our habitat is being destroyed by the throngs, and by encouraging more people to move here, you are contributing to the problem.
Gemini Gypsy-
No to knock you, hon, but people like you are the reason the “Seattle Ice” exists. Now before you knock on me, my family has lived in the Seattle area since the turn of the century, and I’m not talking Y2K. I firmly believe that our fair city NEEDS an influx of new, vibrant people. Welcoming newcomers is how any city grows and evolves into a place of culture and interest…
Growing up here, I remember the early days of computer technology, when suddenly everyone was moving north from California. There were literally bumper stickers that said “Go back to California!” everywhere. The funny thing is, all those people who now consider themselves “natives” are just as guilty of the same behaviour towards our newest transplants. Seattle is a WONDERFUL city… and has the potential to be so much more than it is!
We have the tendency to treat people who move here like some kind of one night stand. “Welcome to our city!!!! …now get the f*ck out.”
We have to learn to adapt. We will not go extinct. We do, however, also need to learn our neighbors’ names… communities are made, they don’t just HAPPEN.
Wow! A lot of mix feelings about Seattle.
As for me, Seattle has been calling my name ever since my divorce. It’s weird because I have never been to Seattle; yet something is telling me it is where I will end up with my two kids. Somehow I think it’s great place for a young professional mother like myself to raise my little ones.
I hear some complain about the weather in Seattle, but that does not bother me at all.
I am looking to visit first, plus someone suggested The Seattle Survival Guide. But all advice are welcome…as I am going to need it.
It know it will be tough visiting since I don’t know anyone there.
I would like to know best places to visit/live outside of Seattle.
Thanks!
I will be getting the Seattle survival guide, but any advice for
I am planning on moving to Seattle in the spring and someone I know who lives in seattle keeps telling me that it is basically impossible to get a job there and that I will get stranded with no money or job or place to live if I go.
I am still going but now I am getting paranoid and losing faith in my idea of moving. I understand that there are a lot of young people moving out there and that it is very competitive but still…is it really that bad?
Thanks
My husband and I are considering relocating to Seattle with our three children (2, 4 and 5 yrs old). Here’s the background: We are currently living in Los Angeles (for the music and arts scene) and we are miserable here. He is from San Francisco, and I am from New York. He is in finance, but wants to go back to school to transition into a more creative career. We are young hip parents (28 and 31), and we’re looking for an intelligent, creative environment, lots of character. We’re looking for an area that has a creative feel, and places to walk to, and close enough to the u-district, as well as a nice area for kids. Don’t like rural suburbs. Are there many 3-bdrm plus homes or townhouses to rent in the u-district or surrounding areas. What are the surrounding areas of the u-district?
We are also concerned about the weather. Are there any partly sunny days in that stretch between October and May? How often does the sun “poke” out?
Thanks for any helpful info!
You need to take a strong look at Wallingford. Wallingford has everything you talk about – including other hip parents. Eat at Julia’s in Wallingford on a Sunday morning and you will likely make some new friends that are at a similar place in life.
Thanks Matt for your quick response! I’ll look into that area.
By the way, how far is Wallingford from the u-district?
45th & Wallingford – map it
Wallingford’s retail area is walkable to U-District’s retail area
Try Green Lake as well.
Or Montlake and Capitol Hill around 15th. My definition of walking distance though might be a bit different than others. I used to walk to the UW from First Hill.
Thanks everyone!
I’m from Texas and currently going to school in Arkansas. My boyfriend and I are getting sick of the sameness and lack of diversity around here. The more I look at our situation, there is nothing here for us but a life of settling down in a small town somewhere and doing what everyone else is, something we do not want that at all. (I think the red-ness of the area is getting to us too 😉 ).
So we are planning to move to Seattle. He has a few family and friends in the area that could help us out for a bit, and the more I look at it, the more enticed I am by this city. We plan to move either this summer or next fall. We will probably be going back to finish school once we are there. He is a digital artist and I am a photographer. We are both aware that it is going to be hard to make it as artists, but we are more than prepared for that.
Any advice? Does anyone know what the jobs in those fields are like in Seattle? I’ve done research, but what are the good schools in the area? What would be good areas for us to live in? We both love the music scene, is it really as good as we hear? Any advice at all would be greatly appreciated 🙂
this is great i have another
people in seattle measure distance with time.
example “The Space needle is an hour and a half away.”
🙂
For some time now I have relied almost exclusively on my bicycle for most of my transportation needs (besides walking).
I’ll be relocating to Seattle from Los Angeles and am looking for a neighborhood or “district” that perhaps distinguishes itself for being most bicycle friendly. Ideally with great restaurants and hardware stores nearby.
Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks.
Lou
Lou – Westlake, Wallingford, Fremont, and, if you’re willing to huff it up the hill every so often, Capitol Hill. Great restaurants and easy access to downtown. There are smaller hardware stores on Capitol Hill and in Wallingford, but you have to go north on Aurora for Home Depot or way south on Rainier to get to Lowe’s – there aren’t any big-box stores in bike-friendly areas.
Redmond on the Eastside is “The Bicycle Capitol of the World”, or so the sign says as you enter it 🙂
I don’t know of any great bike riding culture in Redmond, but there is a neat bike path across the I 90 bridge into Seattle from Bellevue. Do you know where you are going to work? The Cascade Bicycle Club online can give you some advice on where you can commute to and from easily.
Here is a king county bike path and trail map.
http://www.kingcounty.gov/transportation/kcdot/Roads/Bicycling.aspx
Anywhere along the burke gilman or interurban/green river trails is a pretty easy commute into downtown if you like trails. West Seattle is pretty nice and easy to get to downtown across the lower west seattle bridge or passenger ferry as well.
As far as what are known as the most bike friendly communities I would say Mercer Island, which is really expensive, Bainbridge, which is a ferry ride away, or of course the University District, home of the UW and thousands of bike riding twenty-somethings. U district has some great cheap ethnic restaurants and smaller hardware stores but I can’t think of any big, Home Depot style hardware stores there. Don’t park an expensive bike outside in U district because the rate of bicycle theft is high.
I hope you like hills because you are going to climb a lot of them!
I see tons of bike riders on the Burke Gilman Trail in Redmond at the back of Rivertrail. I remember some workplaces providing incentives to people who rode bikes to work, vs. cars.
Now that I think about it the Sammamish River trail (that’s what my map calls the Burke Gilman once it gets East of the Lake) from Redmond to Woodinville is really popular. I believe there is a popular trail route around Lake Sammamish as well, though I have never done it.
Also, the Redmond Cycling Club puts on the famous RAMROD bicycle Ride Around Mount Rainier in One Day.
http://www.redmondcyclingclub.org/RAMROD/RAMROD.html
No offense Eastsiders, but Lou sounds urban. He bikes everywhere and I think he is looking for a semi-dense, urban neighborhood – not a neighborhood with trails. Seattle neighborhoods would be better for him.
How would Seattle take to an Australian? was thinking of moving there once I’ve got my nursing degree!
You guys rock! Thanks so much for the useful information.
I’ve never been to Seattle, so I don’t know the landscape. Galen, you’re right, I do bike everywhere but I am not necessarily looking for downtown living. If I could find an inexpensive area with an abundance of trees that is less than 5 miles from downtown I’d be content.
Also, I don’t mind some hills but definitely not looking for giant ones. Bike paths are a plus, not a requirement.
Does this neighborhood exist?
I’m not an eastsider, and Seattle neighborhoods do have bicycle trails, primarily Burke Gilman (takes you to Fremont) and Alki. By bike trails I mean a paved pathway intended for non-car use. If he wants to live in the city all your suggestions are good. In addition, I’d say U district if he can live with all the students. Between U district and Greenlake if not, West Seattle if he can live with the slightly less urban environment and more hills.
Westlake is a gem that I hadn’t considered. You can bike about anywhere from there pretty easily.
Now there is the type of regular bike commuter that is willing to keep his one bicycle on the balcony of his apartment/condo, and there is the type that needs a garage to hold the 10 bikes he keeps for any different condition or purpose. I’m not sure which one Lou is.
I should’ve refreshed first. Greenlake and Ravenna between Greenlake and U district seem to have a lot of trees for an urban area and aren’t much farther than that to downtown. There aren’t many places I would call inexpensive though. South of West Seattle in the Delridge or Highland park neighborhoods used to be known for crime, but have been cleaned up in recent years and are still more reasonably priced than the rest.
I suspect you will learn the benefit of a triple crank no matter what neighborhood you choose.
Cautious Buyer has much wisdom. Listen to him / her.
Additionally: unless you’ve lived here before, you will find that there are trees everywhere. Especially compared to LA. Green Lake. Phinney is good (although it’s a “Ridge” i.e. a climb). Ballard is a little deep, but also relatively flat.
Oh – one more! Montlake. It’s small and not that cheap, but it’s elevationally low, near the U District, and near downtown.
The areas I suggested are homes with townhomes mixed in. If you want condos, go Beltown, Downtown, SODO.
Here is your Seattle bike jazz: http://www.seattle.gov/transportation/bikemaps.htm
Can you tell I think Seattle is the only place???
Additional resources: Walkscore.com for walkable neighborhoods and http://maps.google.com/ terrain view for topography.
One last thing: all the hills in the Puget Sound area run north-south as a result of glaciers that moved through the area 10,000+ years ago. Therefore, commuting north-south is MUCH easier than commuting west-east.
It depends on what you mean by trees.
I used to live on First Hill looking east at Capitol Hill. A friend of mine commented that you could either look at the view as being a view of a lot of buildings or a lot of trees, depending on what you wanted to focus on. That struck me as odd because I grew up on the Kitsap Peninsula, in evergreen forests. To me there weren’t that many trees in Seattle, but after my friend said that I too could look at it either way.
If you want a forest type scenario you’re probably going to have to live near a park or golf course, or buy a larger parcel outside the area being discussed. If I recall my Seattle history correctly, at one time there was a goal of having a park all the way around the city, and you can sort of see how they started that but never completed it.
Lou,
1) Do you have a workplace in mind? Where you work usually has the highest priority as to where you live around here.
2) Are you renting or buying? Rental prices don’t seem to vary as much as home prices.
Again, thank you all so much.
I should establish that
1) I will be renting a 1 bedroom apartment.
2) I work doing freelance fine art. I’ve been getting by on this for now but expect to be opening up my options very soon. I have a B.A. in Art–Wasn’t planning on this recession hitting so hard!
3) Living reasonably near a university or college would be an added bonus since I may go back to school for another major. This gets tricky however because many universities do not accept students for a second bachelor degree.
Hi,
I live in the imperial valley which is south of san diego. It gets to about 120 degrees in the summer so im kind of used to the heat, but like when it does rain…which is pretty much 10 days a year. I have a degree in criminal justice and would like to know if anyone knows about the law enforcment opportunities in seattle or just washington in general? I plan on moving to seattle later this year with my wife. i also like the outdoors a lot. If you could give me some advice on areas to look at and tell me a little about the ppl. I honestly just need some reassuring haha
Pattern:
Hopeful “future Seattleites” asking if Seattle really, truly is that paradise that they should escape (operative word) to to find meaning in their lives.
Other hopeful “future Seattleites” and what I like to think of as the Seattle booster club set responding with “yes, Seattle is perfect in almost every way except for maybe bad traffic, which of course happens everywhere.”
Disappointed recent (relatively) transplants complaining that Seattle is dirty, inefficient, depressing, and contains a social anomaly called the “Seattle Freeze.”
Natives responding that it’s the transplants who ruined Seattle.
Former transplants to Seattle (who’ve left or are in the process of leaving) saying “See, told you so.”
Point: Seattle just happens to be on the West Coast. You can substitute “Minneapolis” for Seattle in most of these questions/responses and the answers will be the same.
Seattle has its positive and negative characteristics just like any other city.
Not everyone will like Seattle as well as they do other places — but others will find it darn near perfect.
Outside of Seattle, the surrounding metro area is still very suburban and rural just like most other places in the U.S.
If you like NPR, PBS, public libraries, farmers’ markets, craft shows, etc, a small town type of feel in a more urban area, and a lot of polite introversion, the Seattle area has a lot of that.
There seems to be some very helpful and honest feedback here, and I’m hoping to get some advice. I’m looking to relocate to Seattle in the very near future (early March). My job has office space available in Bellevue. I’m looking to rent for 6 months before buying (assuming that I’m well-matched for the Seattle climate and culture).
I’m in my late 20’s from the Washington, DC, area suburbs, and I generally like to live in the suburbs with the ability to escape into both the city and the wilderness fairly often. I would like a commute of preferably less than 30 mins each way. I’m not super extroverted but not totally antisocial either. I’m not a huge partier and enjoy relaxing at home but also appreciate dining out and experiencing local culture. (Am excited about weekend trips to Vancouver, Portland, and wine country.) I’m going at the city alone for a while; my husband will be joining me later.
With that said, I’d like to find a good complex to rent an apartment. I’d prefer a studio or one-bedroom in a safe area for no more than $1000/month. Using the parameters above, could you recommend a neighborhood or apartment complex that would be a good fit? I was thinking about living in/around Bellevue to avoid too much commuting; however, it seems a bit pricey. The westside was recommended to me but I’m not sure what area that is. Is Renton too far south (in the boonies)? Thank you for any input! It is much appreciated.
For Bellevue, with an I-405 commute, you’re probably okay as far north as Kirkland (maybe Bothell) and as far south as Renton. Beyond that, your commute time will get exponentially longer due to the traffic congestion even though you’re not adding that much distance. Can’t speak for commuting from Seattle to Bellevue myself, but I’d imagine lots of variables depending on where in Seattle you were coming from.
However, to minimize commute stress, you had the right idea by looking right in Bellevue. The closer to your office, the better off you’ll be. Rush hour on I-405 is a protracted event that spans several hours in the morning and afternoon.
It’s not the D.C. Beltway, but, after a few months, you won’t notice that it’s any “better” than the Beltway.
Rick knows what he is talking about. Renton gives you the best chance of meeting the >1000/mo criteria with a bigger, newer place, IMHO, but 405 does indeed suck heading into Bellevue during rush hour . Renton is not boonies in the sense that population density hasn’t thinned that far out. You might also Google Woodinville, which has a good wine country once you learn where to go. If you can find a reasonably priced place S of Bellevue, like in S. Redmond or Kirkland, you could be minutes from Woodinville wine country. Of course the E. Washington wine country is better (for me at least) and well worth the weekend trip.
I would not call Bellevue “The City”, though it is yuppie suburb heaven. You have to enter Seattle for “The City”. The westside, to me, is anywhere W of Lake Washington. Consider how easy it is to get in to Seattle from the apartment if that is important to you. I-5 from just W of Renton is typically much faster than the I-90 or 520 floating bridges from my experience. Consider the areas across the I-90 bridge from Bellevue like Mt Baker and Beacon Hill neighborhoods.
Off of the subject of traffic and to another point you brought up: Washington wines (generalizing) are excellent and, actually, one of the things WA doesn’t get enough national exposure for producing.
Having lived in DC myself, I can say a fair assessment is that Seattle has less historic and cultural attractions within the city itself in comparison (Seattle Center is really a tourist attraction or something people do maybe once or twice when they first move here), but a city like DC can’t compare to Seattle’s access to varied (huge range) of outdoor activity sites.
Also, unlike DC, there is more of a divide between careers and social lives, which can be good or bad. In DC, many tag their social lives to their careers, here the norm seems more to be leave work (and the people you work with) at work and make other friends outside of that.
Betty, you’ll see a difference right away when you move here, but to give your 6 month trial period here a fair shake, try to be as active as you can. The summer will be predictably great, but give that winter (and learning to go outdoors when it’s grey outside all day) a lot of scrutiny as well.
Thank you all so much! Very helpful input.
I assume Mt. Baker, Beacon Hill, Renton, Bothell, Redmond, and Kirkland are safe? (Are there any outlying parts of those cities I should steer clear of?)Are there tons of close-by, well-populated running trails? Many “town centers” have popped up in the DC suburbs lately, which I like, so similar areas would be fine. I don’t think I could pass as a yuppie suburbanite, but I like to pretend on rare occasion (usually for the sake of good food).
I’d like to be ~20 minutes from the “city” for weekend traffic b/c I’d probably be less likely to make the trip often if much more than that…and I do want to take advantage of what the area has to offer.
My career path isn’t so clearly defined at this moment; I have a job, but that’s all it is right now…a job. My great hope is to find a passion that translates into career, so at this point I think I can separate the facets of my life. I’ve developed a great appreciation for the outdoors and love variety, so I’m hoping to find a niche in Seattle.
Thanks, again!
Mt Baker and Beacon hill are neighborhoods in the city of Seattle, an I-90 floating bridge commute from Bellevue. I haven’t felt unsafe due to crime in any of the mentioned areas, but that is me. The most crime, by far, is in the Seattle core rather than suburban areas and to some extent Seatac by the airport. Here is the Seattle Police crime map.
http://web1.seattle.gov/seastats/doStatistics.aspx
I think the best food in the is in the “Touristy” areas in and near the Pike Place Market, which also contain the highest crime. Running trails are pretty much interspersed everywhere.
Definitely make time to visit the Mt Rainier and Olympic National parks in the spring.
I’d call Bothell, Redmond, and Kirkland pretty safe — think “Sterling, Reston, Herndon” (can’t help but compare, knowing you live in the DC Suburbs) — however, these towns aren’t as developed as the DC suburbs and still have a little rurality to them.
I’ve never lived in Seattle proper, but I’ve never felt unsafe visiting there. You might encounter more vocally aggressive homeless than you’re used to, but they’re typically not dangerous. Of course, a city’s a city, and having some street smarts and healthy caution still applies.
The comparisons to DC definitely help. I’ve been through Borroughs Mountain before, but Mt. Rainier and Olympic are close on my radar.
Thank you so much once again!
Hey all. I am looking to move to seattle in sep of 09. I will be coming with a large dog. he is 3 yrs old and 130lbs. I was wondering if anyone knew of apartments that would allow us to move in or if I would have more luck with a home owner renting out a house or basement. Thanks
Michael T
Try Craig’s list for someone renting out a room in a house, who already has a dog. Assuming your dogs can get along together, that is.
So my boyfriend and I were in Seattle last week, looking at schools and basically checking out the city. He plans on going to the Art Institute and I looked at Seattle University, Seattle Pacific and the City University. We grabbed an apartment guide while we were there but it didn’t really have a lot of places in there. Any suggestions on other resources and the price brakcets for certain areas? We’ll both being going to school downtown if not near downtown and we saw that that area is pretty expensive. Anywhere close by with decent prices. We pay 900 now with all utilities included each month for rent here in Richmond VA. Also how’s the job market? And what should we expect overall?
Brooklyn, the apartment guide is going to be useless and have only overpriced stuff. Look on Crraigslist. Finding room for two for $900 a month should be doable, but you’ll have to compromise some. Anywhere outside of downtown, belltown and south lake union should work. Like: by the freeway – http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/apa/997714405.html or in a very small apartment or in a mother-in-law basement.
Your options are aplenty.
Job market: so-so to sucky.
My family ( husband two young children) are looking at relocate to Seattle from western New York. I am a paralegal my husband is a small resturant owner here and we are looking for some advise and suggestions about our possible move. City living? or Suburbs? and if so which one. We are used to having everything ie, theater, shopping, food, work and daycare within a thirty five min ride or so.. any imput would be great!!! thanks
Rachael,
City or Suburbs is often about where you work. Theater, shopping, food and daycare within 35 minutes is doable “City vs. Suburbs” and there is a city in our suburbs 🙂 Where you work is the missing piece of info that will greatly impact where you live.
Ardell is right. I can’t think of a single place within 60 miles of Seattle that doesn’t several have all the following “theater, shopping, food, and daycare” within 35 minutes. Work is the X factor. Unless by theater you mean live performing arts. That is mostly just in the city of Seattle.
Where to start..
I’m a 20 year old from New Orleans looking to move to Seattle. I’m still in school and am looking into the community colleges in Seattle as well as living there.
I was wondering if you had any opinions or recommendations for the local community colleges.
I was also wondering about jobs. I’m a videographer and editor and was wondering if there is a local market for jobs like mine around Seattle.
Thanks 🙂
Hi there 🙂 I am planning on transfering to University of Washington in Autumn 2010!!! I grew up in Ann Arbor, MI until I graduated high school and am currently attending community college in San Diego, CA and living with my aunt. I’m glad to have the experience of staying in San Diego, but I really don’t think that is is for me. I absolutely love rain and the climate of Seattle, my question though is I’m not sure that I will be able to visit Seattle before going to college there. Is it stupid to move to an entirely different state and school where you know no one without even visiting? I can’t explain why I am planning on moving to Seattle, it’s almost like I am being pulled in that direction.
Thank you so much for your help,
Jessica
Hi Jessica!
Well I don’t think it’s “stupid” to move to Seattle from a different state when you know no one.
I moved here myself from Orange County in 1994 and I did not know anyone living in Seattle either. I just had a “feeling” that Seattle was the place for me, and it sounds like the same for you! I got the idea to move, bought a book on Seattle (Seattle Survival Guide II), made my descision, and two months later moved.
You have an advantage now that there is so much on the internet to learn more about Seattle than I did, plus you have a long lead time. The book I read that helped me now has an updated edition, “Seattle Survival Guide 4th ed.” that you might want to read too. Dustin has lots of links on the side panel for local neighborhood blogs that you should definitly check out too.
You are going to enjoy moving to Seattle and living here. There is so much to do and see, and it’s very beautiful here, unless you really need sun! : )
Hello!
I live in Wisconsin and am moving to Seattle in October. My fiance and some of his band mates are moving with us to pursue their music career. I heard that the Seattle music scene is on a decline and i have also heard it is growing. Do you think that Seattle is a great place to move if you’re in a band and trying to get you’re name out there???
I am extremely excited and nervous. We are moving there without jobs and hardly any knowledge of the city, although i research on a daily basis. I guess i just want comfort in this decision.
Thank you! This site is great:)
oh you could check out their band if you want
(they’re in the process of better recordings)
http://www.myspace.com/faintly
Thanks again!
As a native Seattleite, it was interesting to read the 764 comments above. I was born in Providence Hospital to Canadian immigrant parents, soon after moved to sunny Spokane where I spent the next 14 years before returning to Wallingford. Lincoln High School, USArmy Air Corps/USAForce, University of Washington Architecture. Ever since I’ve tried to find a better place to live- with no luck. Dustin’s points about moving here are pretty inclusive. JG
I am a Soon-to-be grad student at Seattle U. Have been living in Honolulu HAWAII since 2003, and I’m a Northern California Native. (Uh-oh?)
I understand the Seattlites holding their city desperately with a love-mainly hate relationship towards us Californians (or outsiders for that matter) that move to their city.. Northern Californians practically made up that snobby technique! But as a newcomer, I am on the other side. Any advice for someone that has lived in Hawaii for so long? I’m looking at Cap. Hill, Queen Anne…
I don’t know what I will do without the unlimited sunshine, surf-beach-pakalolo seshes and tropical ukulele songs to jam to…. guess Seattle will do 🙂
Hi Cat!
I know I felt funny at first moving to Seattle from SoCal, and mostly avoided talking about where I was from by saying I was originally from Arizona… my family moved around a lot when I was a kid.
I think the areas you are interested in generally have a higher portion of residents from other places (at least in condos and apts) so are less bothered by people coming from elsewhere.
As far as missing sun, well, you are going to miss it coming from Hawaii, no doubt about it! Alki in West Seattle is a lot like SoCal Beach towns, so it seems sunnier sometimes.
Be sure that your place has a southern exposure so you get as much sun as possible. Queen Anne has it’s southern slope, and the western exposure of Interbay so those would be good places. Same with Capitol Hill on the westside overlooking Lake Union and Downtown. Stay away from shady valleys and nothern exposure condos and apts, they can seem very cold and dark in the winter.
Welcome to Seattle!
Mahalo Deborah! Where are these shady valleys and northern exposure condos that I will DEFINITELY stay away from? I’ve already started buying my supply of B Vitamins and researching Light therapy for the winter time =p
Hello all and to those who are contemplating a move to the Emerald City:
It is likely my comment will be lost amongst all these posts – but I just had to step in and share.
I moved to Seattle 7 years ago – I am a young, vibrant woman that strikingly resembles Salma Hayek. I am Turkish-Spanish and was living in Istanbul and then various parts of Florida before I made it to Seattle – by a fluke – I have lived all over the world and the U.S and Seattle is an enigma, a conundrum that I am only now getting my intellect around. It is almost impossible to figure out – unless, you are a white, shy, atheist bike-aholic. Seattle is a great, vibrant, diverse and friendly place – if you are a white person. Speak with “people of color” (East Asian, West Asian, Latino, African-American, Middle Eastern, etc etc.) and you will most likely get an entirely different story. Many people here who posted comments about Seattle being so friendly and open, often had experiences with people that were exactly like them. Sure, there are exceptions and many won’t agree (particularly the die-hard locals) but Seattle is ABSOLUTELY, a loners town. Depression is common here not due to rain or weather (who ever made that assumption is ignorant to the struggles of others) but due to the lack of interaction and tried and true friendship. It is a town of fair-weather friends, who come out to play only when the weather is conducive.
As I mentioned before, I have been here for 7 years now and the friends I made when I first came all moved away or were here for only a short period of time. Seattle is a transient place – it is like a bug or itch you get and once you scratch it, you move on.
I have met the rudest and most insincere people in this town. I cannot tell you how many times this has brought me to tears. People don’t want to bothered here – especially the locals – they are often put off or feel like you are wasting their time that they could be at work. I only found invitations to dinner parties and events through other non-local, minority or Turkish groups here.
This town is also done entirely online – no one answers their phones or engages outside of Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, blogspot.com, etc etc.
I have also experienced much crime and I have lived in downtown Bellevue, Kirkland, Eastlake and the University District. When you live in Bellevue and Kirkland, you definitely do not feel the Seattle vibe as much – but the crime is growing increasingly rampant. The police have been non-existent in the U District and Eastlake, until recent extreme violence has plagued affluent and prosperous neighborhoods – sure, crime is everywhere, that is nothing new – but the delayed police response and the flippant demeanor of the authorities and local folk when bringing up the issue is what is new to me and quite disturbing. Seattle was once a tiny, safe, grunge town where white people roamed without a care, sipping their coffee and sporting ripped jeans – but Seattle has to realise that if it is going to taut and advertise itself as a big city, than some adjustments must be made.
Recent studies have shown that Seattle today is more crime-ridden and corrupt than New York City. Go figure.
Asli,
I love this line, “Seattle is a transient place – it is like a bug or itch you get and once you scratch it, you move on.”
Tempted to turn your comment into a post of its own, with a couple of minor edits (like tout vs. taut) nothing that would change the tone of it. Would you mind?
Your perspective is spot on in so many ways. I have not experienced it the way you have, as my experience has been more like Sophia Loren in Houseboat. Italians can usually “go both ways” more than many, except in the snooty, higher escelon crowd. Even then it’s possible, if you like that sort of thing, which I don’t.
I have found much of the West Coast to be similar though, so if you are moving out…where would you go next? Sacramento area was MUCH worse, as example. L.A. is like Seattle in reverse. Have you picked a next destination?
Asli – Wow. A decade in Seattle and I certainly cannot relate. Sure, I have to go home to get a good middle-eastern meal, but why would I want to eat such a meal anywhere else? What I know is that I’ve experienced less crime in Seattle than in my time in Boston, NYC, or DC. While NYC and DC introduce more variety of culture, Boston takes the prize for being whitest city in my experience, exceeding Seattle. I started out single here, dated for my first 5 years, met my wife here, and can’t imagine leaving. Why are you still here, 7 years later if this town is such a horrible place for you? You should go find your home somewhere else. Happiness is paramount and, despite the fact that I do not agree with your perspective on Seattle, you should do what makes you happy and it would seem you have spent 7 years too many here. I, personally, look forward to raising my children here.
Ardell – You are correct. The Eastside is as much Seattle as Seattle. Having lived in actual big cities before arriving here, I have not managed to comprehend the fear a notable percentage of our population has of crossing the 520 or I-90 as if some part of them will be left on the other side upon their return. The Metropolis will be defined by business and social opportunity, people will want to live where there is work and play (see your #5). I think it is notable, if not important, that Neiman Marcus chose to open its first store in the region in downtown Bellevue rather than downtown Seattle and that El Gaucho opened a spectular new location in Bellevue as well.
On moving from DC – While I agree that Bellevue/Kirkland are similar to Reston/Herndon in form and function (mostly as they have relatively new city centers), they are notably further away from the heart of DC than Bellevue/Kirkland are from downtown Seattle. Having lived in DC through the development of Arlington, I actually see Bellevue developing much as Arlington did and eventually competing on equal footing for new residents, perhaps even leading, just as Arlington has in DC.
Good post.
Michael,
I agree with you as to Bellevue and Arlington and I do believe, from what I hear, that it has always been Bellevue’s goal, and not an afterthought or happenstance.
My best description of Kirkland is “it’s not Bellevue” 🙂
I love that these two cities have opposite goals, and are each firmly planted on their side of the equation.
So is Seattle a good place to “find yourself” haha.
I’m 21. A New England girl. Not quite done with my degree. I want to work and maybe go to school part time.
I need to “get out”!
Anything about Seattle you could say to the 20 something, just starting out crowd?
Where would I live that is safe? Dog friendly? What is available for continuing education?
I’ve never lived alone. I’m ready to go far away and see a new place.
I live in Austin,Tx now…and really want to move to Seattle. I have lived in San Francisco and my wife is from there…but doesn’t want to move back. ( she does not dislike san fran..just wants a change.)
SO, tell me all the good things! I have heard about the weather…yes, yes….but when you have 5 months of 90 to over 100 degrees..( and yes, I grew up in south texas so I KNOW Texas). it gets OLD.
I love to experience new places and people…to be part of that area.( was in san fran for 2 years). so i am looking forward to that drizzly rain!!
Ok so definetely moving out there in August and now I’m trying to close in on what areas are good. My boyfriend and I like downtown his school is there my school is in Bellevue. We’re noticing the high prices downtown for sure and I’m wondering if there’s an area with cheaper rent than downtown but still close to downtown so we can bus in to work but not have to take a long morning trip. Any suggestions? Thanks. I love this site.
You might be able to find something in Fremont, Capital Hill, Lower Queen Anne. All close to downtown.
Capital Hill would probably have the best transit connections to get you to Bellevue, though that commute’s going to suck no matter where you live.
Good luck.
@ Michael,
I’m so happy you have found a home in Seattle. Good for you and congratulations on all that you have accomplished here.
You must have not read my post as to why I was here for 7 years. It is best to read what someone writes before bashing or not honoring their experiences. Not everyone needs to agree with you or feel what you feel. Also, just because it is not happening to you, does not mean it is not happening (to someone else). I never wrote that a “Middle Eastern” meal was the reason I experienced the Seattle Freeze.
@ Ardell, thanks for commenting! I only know realized you wrote back. 🙂
People have asked about Seattle’s weather and ethnic diversity…
First of all, Seattle’s gray skies and ocassional drizzle/rain is very similar to Northern Europe’s weather (England, Germany, Poland). London is an infamous, huge, overpopulated city, yet their weather is gray, rainy, and sometimes depressing. Seattle’s winters and springs are the same as London’s, but Seattle’s summers are the some of the best in the world. But most importantly, Seattle is an infamous city with great food, award-winning health and education, with neighborhoods and suburbs with character and beauty (like Europe). Seattle has poor weather in the winter, but the city is thee best to live.
Now, the ethnic diversity question is easy to answer… basically, Seattle has incerdible ethnic diversity, and no matter what you’re ethnic background is, you’ll be treated the same as everyone else. However, Seattle’s metropolitan population is increasing very reapidly, and people all over the nation are moving to Seattle due to work; therefore, racism may grow unfortunately. Seattle has an insane population of Asian-Americans; and across Lake Washington is Bellevue (a competitive city with a skyscraper popping up everyday). Bellevue has an unbelievable 15-20 percent Japanese, and about 50 percent Asian (including Indian/Middle Eastern).
This has been a fascinating 2-year-running post! I see many Californians writing that they want to move to Seattle, some of which have never been here. From a native Californian who moved here a few years ago, my best advice is to spend at least a year here, before committing too much to the move. You cannot know in just a weekend whether or not an area is right for you, especially one with such a different climate and lifestyle than.. say.. California.
The summer weather cannot be beat up here. The Puget Sound area is unbelievably beautiful in many spots, but there are many towns that are so unsightly that you are happy to zip by them fast as you drive the I-5. My family jokes that there is an unspoken rule up here that before you say anything negative about the Seattle area, you have to preface it with “It’s so beautiful here!”, then you are free to express how you really feel about things. Of the people I know that have relocated here, I’d say about 70% have had issues with the weather, many of which have moved back from whence they came eventually. It’s not the rain you might know from growing up somewhere else (unless it was London.) The rain here does come in prolonged drizzle, and you may have 4 weeks in a row with absolutely no sun. The summers are outrageously wonderful when the sun rises by 5am, and sets around10pm, but conversely.. you have winter where they joke: Only in Seattle can you get up and go to work in the dark, and come home in the dark, and you only work 9 to 5. Many people cannot handle the darkness for weeks on end, and the lack of color. The only way you’ll know is to live here a while.
The traffic. Well, if you’ve ever been to a roller rink you know everything you need to know. It’s much easier to get places in Seattle if you’re in or very very near Seattle. If you’re coming from 30 miles or so out, then it’s like trying to skate through that fast circle at the rink, where the hotshots are skating, just to get to the middle where the newbies are slowly making their way. With all of the water and bridges and ferries, the driving can be gorgeous, but in many ways that saying “you can’t get there from here” really fits. You can be 10 miles from something, but require a bridge and ferry to get there, making it a 2 hour trip.
Bottom line for me. It’s beautiful here (notice how I’m prefacing that?) Many people can hang with the lengthy gray stretches, the interesting traffic, and other region-specific things that drive others away. The secret is to have something here that you absolutely love to do, or love, in order to make those other things less of an issue. If you’re a skier, or a boater, or a reader, or your dream is to live on the water and you can now afford it here, then the weather may be something you can take in stride in order to experience those things. But you may find, through not fault of your own, that you just cannot function without more sunshine. There is only one way to know. Visit at different times of they year, for more than a weekend, and move with the idea that this may be a trial period of sorts. Just in case.
To add to your message Diana, I am from San Diego. But I joined the Army about four years ago and was stationed in Anchorage, AK. So I have seen both extremes. I love the small town feel of Alaska, but the opportunities to do almost anything outdoor year-round in SD. Every six months or so when I would go home to visit I became more and more stifled. The population and trends were constantly irritating me. I am deployed to Afghanistan right now and plan to get out of the Army in about six months. For my mid-tour leave I took a trip with my father to Seattle and to Portland. I really enjoyed Seattle but not so much Portland. I also spent a few weeks in San Diego. I was rather bored with the constant weather in SoCal. I have noticed living in AK that you value the “good” weather so much more when you don’t have it, just like everything in life. After that rant I guess what I’m wondering is if people are as interesting as I experienced. I only was able to stay about two days and near downtown and u district but I really enjoyed not haveing the constant bleach blond hair surrounding me. The constant fake smiles and fake personalities that seem to innundate in SoCal. I love running, hiking, biking, rock climbing, sports, reading, tea, rain, sun, snow, and definitely Halloween. By the way I am 26, do you think that Seattle area will be a good fit?
Traffic, what the heck is so great about big city traffic? “We are busy”, I’d like to move to Seattle but I hope the virtual everything hurries up. Traffic is a robber.
I know it’s a little too late to comment on Asli’s blog posted May 13th but it seems like she hasn’t been to Southern California in a long while. She described Seattle as being exactly like CA, except for the weather. In sharp contrast, I’m sure there are striking differences and her interpretations seemed exaggerated.
In case the people of Seattle are wondering why so many Californians are interested in Seattle as opposed to living in the best weather state, here’s a list of reasons to make (a sad Hollywood drama past its prime) long story short:
In regards to CA –
Drastic demographic changes
Ridiculously overpriced and expensive (especially Frisco)
Superficial, pretentious, and unapproachable people stuck in cars all day (The SoCal Freeze)
Traffic here makes Seattle’s traffic look like paradise
Middle Class Squeeze
High Unemployment
You live in either a good neighborhood or bad one here in CA (no middle ground)
Crime
That’s just to name a few….but hey, the weather’s great here in CA!!!!!
I’m from CA but plan on visiting and possibly relocating to Seattle next year….and I can see how Californians who move there have quite a bit of adjusting to do. As far as I’m concerned, there might as well be a blizzard out here in CA since things have changed for the worst since the 80s. Until I traveled to other cities in America and Europe, I didn’t know what real weather felt like. However, I do love the rain and gloomy weather. It reminds me of London, Amsterdam and Berlin.
Any suggestions about how a future attorney may adjust to the real city of Seattle???
I plan on takint the WA bar exam next year.
Pho is a lot healthier than Mexican food too. Sorry, it’s true.
Dustin & Co-
Did you forget that you have NO income taxes for either the city or state????
How cannot not one of the 728 responses mention that there are NO TAXES???
I’m in Philly, an awesome city, but EVERYBODY pays at least 3% to the state and 4.5% to the city.
No taxes do not even make Top 10?
Wow are guys spoiled!
Antonio
Philadelphia’s Favorite Realtor
http://www.CenterCityRealEstate.com
Did you forget that you have NO income taxes for either the city or state????
How cannot not one of the 728 responses mention that there are NO TAXES???
I’m in Philly, an awesome city, but EVERYBODY pays at least 3% to the state and 4.5% to the city.
No taxes do not even make Top 10?
Wow are guys spoiled!
Antonio
Philadelphia’s Favorite Realtor
http://www.CenterCityRealEstate.com
Hey everyone, I am very exited that I have found this blog with some in sites about Seattle.. I have a job proposal there and I am relocating from Santa Monica, CA but originally I was born in Brazil.
I was in Seattle last week and i stayed in Tukwila was supper close by the airport as well the future employer, i found too quiet to possible thinking in moving down there so i explored some areas that i was not to crazy about ether, Capital Hill was ok i did enjoy the boulevard with walking distances from coffee shops and restaurants but i just thought is more of a party town at least on the area that i was and then i went to do the touristic staff space needle didn’t like the neighborhood and the pike market were i found my self enjoying the walking distance from restaurants and cute coffee shops as well the fresh food in the market and the age range of people were more between 30’s and i tough would be a better match for me… but im looking on the prices to move in there and is very expensive.. i am just looking for a place where i can walk to different things like coffee shop, museums, restaurants, the water, with inexpensive living for a studio,and possible transportation and not to far for work, parks, jogging trails and save cause im single and a girl:)
Thanks I appreciate your suggestions!
my family and i have been talking about relocating to seattle from california. my husband is a musician/guitar teacher. he plays rockabilly, and blues. he has been fortunate to make a living doing what he loves in orange county. i’m curious how the music scene is in the seattle area. can he make a living playing and teaching music there?
FOR LESLIE AND/OR ANYONE INTERESTED IN MOVING TO SEATTLE
I just returned from a trip to Seattle. I arrived on November 5th and returned yesterday evening. It’s everything I heard about and more!!! Very beautiful city!! I was wondering if I should move there from Southern CA (Orange County to be exact) and realized that it’s a no brainer. Seattle has awesome neighborhoods, a thriving downtown scene, and much to do.
Leslie, I’m not too sure about the music scene but I’ve heard Seattle is the place for good music too. On Thursday I visited a place called the Tripple Door in Downtown Seattle and many people were in attendance for a local live jazz show. However, I just ate dinner there and didn’t get to see the performance. I was happy to know that a couple of Bob Marley’s kids (Julian and Stephen I think) were performing at the Greenhouse which is also downtown, although I did not attend.
In the home of Kurt Cobain and Jimmy Hendrix I’m sure they have much to offer for your husdand there in terms of music. I also read about and was told Seattle is very big on live bands and music festivals. Order a book called The Seattle Survival Guide over the internet (4th edition 2005 I think) but it still seems up-to-date for the most part. Also, google Seattle attractions and I’m sure you’ll find more information there to.
However, there is no perfect utopian society so I will list my personal likes and very few annoyances or dislikes below:
POSITIVES
Educated City: (Seattlites seem far more educated than Southern Californians…I’m sure they are).
Nice Place to raise a family(there are several nice areas in the Seattle proper area…too many to count!)
Much to do and see (Like Pike Place Market, Green Lake, downtown attracts and the topography in general).
Laid back people (show respect and kindness and you should receive it back)
Easy to get around (I-5 takes you everywhere and you can cross perpendicular bridges and freeways to get to other surrounding areas if necessary).
Affordable housing (at least more affordable than in CA).
Not as pretentious as CA (even in the Bill Gates Medina area and Bellevue it’s not as bad as Newport). People are living their own lives which is a nice change from the one-uppers Hollywood Socal vibe present down here.
Excellent public transportation (Sad to say but a vast majority of people who catch the infrequent buses in CA seem to be riff raff…Not in Seattle). It’s more of a City Vibe there.
No major controversial demographic issues: such as illegal immigration effects that GOPs and anti-immigration folks complain about in the news (it seems that’s mostly limited to southwest and Texas especially CA).
Seattle seems to be much safer than CA and I actually saw people walking around at night….wow. They have their share of problems but nothing near as bad as Santa Ana, Los Angeles, and Oakland.
NEGATIVES (BRACE YOURSELF)-Seattle WA is much different than CA in many respects.
Don’t expect to see the sun as much…If you need sun, this may not be the right place for you. The first and last things you may see in the sky are clouds, not the sun. Although I was told the sun comes out much in the summer creating a beautiful scene…I can only imagine! It rains in the winter and gets cold.
Don’t expect to see people walking around in flip flops like Orange County CA (that would be foolish in Seattle)…you will most certainly catch a cold and your feet will be soaked. However, during my trip last week the sun came out a total of 30 minutes (15 minutes when I was in Capital Hill and 15 minutes the next day while I was on the 520 over Lake Washington and boy, what a sight to behold!! I said all this to conclude with: people in CA don’t really appreciate the sun, until you don’t see it. With that being said, if you don’t mind constant overcast, chilly days, wearing jackets and jeans and shoes instead of flip flops, then Seattle is probably right for you!!!
NO OTHER NEGATIVES – VERY BEAUTIFUL AMERICAN CITY WITH MUCH TO OFFER
I SPEAK THE TRUTH!!! LOL.
wow! thank you edel! lots of fantastic information. we are now considering the portland area too. 🙂
also, we are not big sun/heat fans. i think the pacific north-west is calling us! 😉
Oh, one more thing….Despite popular opinion, Seattle Traffic is not as bad as CA traffic. You simply can’t compare a place with 40 million people(CA) to a state with a little over 6.5 million(WA). Sure Seattle has bad traffic but it’s stop and go…not stop and don’t move gridlock during rush hours of Socal any time of the day.
Hey guys,
The name is James and I’m an undergraduate student here at UCLA and recently saw something on the Travel Channel about Seattle. I absolutely loved the place and continued with my research and liked what I saw even more so. I’m a Hispanic student trying to get my MBA before I do anything, but would any of you currently living in Seattle recommend the city to someone like me? Thanks a lot for your time.
One friend of mine went to Seattle for a week to look for a job… and it was sunny all week so she decided to stay.
That was 20 years ago.
Wow this was a great post but the comments were even better! Kind of funny but i’m looking to move from Socal (like so many other people on this message board) to Seattle at the beginning of next year. Reading through this has been extremely helpful.
I can’t believe that this blog post has been alive for over three years!!!
Hello everyone! My family and I just relocated from San Jose CA to Bellevue WA for my husband’s job promotion. Luckily I work full-time from home so I don’t have to deal with the traffic. This Tuesday marks the ONE WEEK anniversary of us living here! My husband began traveling here for business 4 years ago and said from Day one that he would love to move to this area. After living in San Jose for 7 years, then a 4-year stint in AZ, we moved back to San Jose for a year and were happily surprised when my husband was offered a job promotion in Bellevue. Everyone told me, “Oh my God what about all the rain?? How are you going to handle it???” Big deal! I love the rain. My girls do too. What surprised me was the COLD temps! No one told me this area gets so cold. And the hills! To me they’re mountains! Hopefully with a little practice I’ll get used to it. But so far so good. The ice is something to get used to; I bought my first ice scraper the other day.
People are very friendly. When we initially made the decision to move here, I found this article and read the comments about the Seattle Freeze and Nice as Ice I was scared. But everyone has been friendly from the get-go.
Bellevue is beautiful. Downtown Bellevue is the cleanest downtown I have ever seen! I’ve only been here a week so I haven’t been able to explore Seattle yet.
I still don’t understand the numbered streets! Could anyone explain them to me?? Right now I’m constantly on my Google Maps app on my iPhone looking up directions before I leave to go anywhere….
P.S. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE PHO! 😛
The streets count outwards from downtown seattle. I live in West Seattle and here avenues run north/south, streets run east/west and all other types mean that they either wind or an addition to the original street layout. I am pretty sure it is like that in all of Seattle. Downtown doesn’t have the NE/SW/E etc. Think of it as neutral. Then, outwards from downtown streets/avenues are marked as N/NE/SW etc depending on their relative direction from downtown.
Hey there,
Need some advice. My family and I are thinking about a move to the Seattle area. we are in Sacramento, CA now and HATE it!!! im originally from NYC and my wife is from Denver. I am a private business owner doing asphalt and sealcoating. this all depends on weather. i usually need temps in the 50-90 degree range and a little rain is not a problem, but lots of rain is. my work monthe are usually march to november, any suggestions?? are there alot of asphalt driveways and parking lots up there? or mostly concrete? I also am a licensed R.E. agent who loves to work with people, how is the market up there???
any info is appreciated.
God Bless!
any
Although the Mexican may be better in California, there are definitely some spots that I wanted to make sure to address to the public: Rancho Bravo – this a taco cart that was so good it started a restaurant in Capitol Hill. Authentic taco truck style mexican… so good.
And as a general rule the farther out from Seattle, the better the mexican. Bothell has an amazing restaurant called Pasion Tequila. The best I’ve had in all of Washington.
It might not stack up to mission street, but the Seattle area definitely has some good Mexican.
Where can I find Rancho Bravo?
Seattle is diverse, kinda. I had the occasion to visit Seattle for work. Its very pretty. But, as a single african-american man, there are just too few people who look like me. I was the only AA person everywhere I went. The people were overall moderately friendly, some looked at me like they had never seen a black person before and seemed positively scared, others were seemed geninuely nice. When i had the chance to move to there for my job, i declined for those reasons. I figured it was best for me to stay in Washington DC.
Anyway… my .02
Hi!
I’ve lived in Florida my entire life and I have this crazy idea or desire to move to Seattle. I’ve never been there but I feel really strongly about this. I understand it rains all the time and coming from Fl that may be quite an adjustment. For those of you who haven’t lived in Seattle your entire life, how long did it take you to adjust to the rainy days?
I’m a nurse anesthetist and would like to know which hospitals (in the Seattle area) provide a good service. Which areas of Seattle should I stay away from? I know many people have asked this questions already but any updated info I can get will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Amelia – if you need and love sunny warm weather, this isn’t the place for you. On the other hand, if you’re bored of the ‘same’ weather all the time, there’s lots of variety in weather here in the Pacific Northwest.
The people who seem to love it here are the sports enthusiasts – skiers, kayakers, boaters of all kinds, hikers, bikers, that sort of thing. But you have to be willing to do it in all kinds of weather.
I lived in Vancouver (even farther north) for 20 years and then moved here where I’ve been for 10 years. I haven’t gotten used to the rain yet. I complain all the time 🙂
As far as areas to live, it depends what you like. The city is older and has many urban walkable neighborhoods with vintage homes, townhouses and condos, as well as new construction (primarily in condos and townhouses). Across the Lake (Lake Washington) is Bellevue, Kirkland and other suburbs, which offer newer homes, subdivisions, and less of a ‘gritty’ feel. If you tell me more about what you like, I can let you know what areas you might like.
Good luck and I’m happy to help you more if I can.
I am a professional nanny and have a potential job offer in the Sammamish, WA area. Where is the best place to live in relationship to that area? I am looking for at least a 2 -3 bedroom apartment in a safe neighborhood and at a reasonable price. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Cynthia
Very good comments and analysis. I find living in the Puget Sound will give you a tremendous respect for cycles in weather. Since like you mentioned before, we have our fair share of trickling rain that never seems to end, at the end of the day you know that the next weather pattern is around the corner and this gives you sanity and stability and yearning for a nice day. When we get one or a few like this week- It is golden. And mild. mild. mild. climate.
Another point or number 11 can be that we love love love our sports teams. UNTIL they start losing and then it is off fishing or golfing or whatever interests you find secondary. I think this is BEcause we have SO many things to do in the area. Couldn’t find this type of outdoor pleasure grounds anywhere else!
SEATTLE PEOPLE AND ANYONE PLANNING ON MOVING THERE PLEASE READ!!!
Anybody who plans on moving to Seattle (or anywhere for that matter) should visit first and be very open minded when doing so. The more times you can travel there (with a futuristic picture of actually living in Seattle) the merrier. I previously posted some positive comments about Seattle but after further review, my thoughts and opinions are in sharp contrast.
The first time I visited Seattle I thought it was nice and more laid back than CA based on the opinions of others mainly Seattlites themselves. However, the second time I got a wake up call not just from the Hotel I was staying in.
Many people from Seattle will tell you it is a wonderful place to live and that they do not desire to live anywhere else. That’s true if you like depressing and gloomy days, hiking, jogging, or being bored in the rain. Compared to CA and other major cities such as N.Y., there is very little to do in Seattle otherwise.
Furthermore, while Seattle claims that it’s cultural and diverse I beg to differ. Although it claims to be a liberal city the truth speaks for itself. SPS (Segregated Public Schools) and the large African American gentrified homeless population (mostly under 25 years old) blended with a small percentage of poor whites is proof in and of itself that it’s trendy to be a blue state while practicing old school red state policies. The so-call liberals occupy the high ground (nice areas) and do not care too much for diversity and/or the poor. So if you’re into that kind of thing and keeping areas “white” then Seattle might be the place for you. Minorities beware…
Another myth about Seattle is that the people are much more educated and laid back than Californians. That’s simply not true. Just because one purchases a latte and pretends to speak intellectually does not necessary mean he or she is an intellectual. In coffee cafes I overheard conversations that led me to believe that some Seattle Lights try to hard to impress with education but actually fail. Also, Seattle has a kind of wanna be California vibe but lacks the spice, diversity, culture, good weather, and many things to do like CA. Think of it as California’s gloomy little baby sister who tries hard to imitate but fails miserably.
While CA might be expensive, Seattle is living proof that you get what you pay for. CA has a larger and more beautiful topography in good weather. It’s good to have sunny days.
In conclusion, do yourself a favor and visit Seattle proper and the outskirts at least twice before subjectively deciding if it’s the right place for you. Keep an open mind when listening to people give their own views of Seattle as well.
OK, I had to log in with this story from the West Seattle blog
http://westseattleblog.com/2010/03/moo-ving-mystery-cow-afloat-off-alki-point
Here is evidence that Seattle-ites have a well developed, though off-beat sense of humor, and that Fremont is not the only neighborhood where that is displayed, despite it’s COTU reputation.
The back story on this is that the perpetrators of this udderly ridiculous act of public art are my dear eccentric aunt and cousin…and for no other reason than the inherent whimsy of it all. She has lived in the same beach shack on Alki Point for more than 50 yrs.
So, if you are thinking of Moo-ving to Seattle, bring a well developed sense of humor and wonder.
On a new note, I’d also like to give a nod to Hugo Kugiya’s article on eating in Seattle. Wonderful writing, and a compelling portrait of Seattle and it’s unique food culture.
Check it out
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/pacificnw/2011177659_pacificpeating07.html
Here’s his description of Seattle-ites
“The Seattle personality — obstinate, independent, intensely quiet, subtly creative, darkly cheerful, prone to feelings of escape…”
Sounds like the perfect description of my Alki kinfolk.
Hello Everyone,
My husband and I will be moving out to Tacoma next month. He’ll be working at McChord AFB and it looks like I will be able to transfer my job to Seattle. We are getting ready to buy a great condo in downtown Tacoma, but I am feeling nervous about my commute. I’ll be working just past the Highway 90 interchange. I’ll be heading there around 7:20 and returning home around 4:30. Google maps looks like it’s about a 45-50 minute commute. Am I in for lots of traffic or is the google estimate about right?
Thanks!
Hello All,
I’m a 26, Male, Divorced, with 1 Four Year Old little Girl, and I am moving to Seattle around July-ish this year. I currently live in East San Diego in a community called La Mesa. I’ve never lived outside of the San Diego County. My Ex-Wife has deceided to move to WA so I am going to follow suit so I can be with my little girl.
I’ve searched Craigslist and the job market is really a tough one when trying to sift through all of the pyrimid schemes and door to door sales men. I have a background in food service, but recently spent 4 years in the Telecoms industry as a Customer Service Supervisor. I’ve checked Comcast and couldn’t find much. I’ve also looked at Verizon, and Micosoft. Microsoft seems to be the best bet to apply for.
I don’t have a support system up there, so I can’t really go visit and apply for jobs and wait around. Does anyone have any suggestions on where and what to apply for? What should I also expect? I’m looking forward to the rain, and love cold weather. I’m excited I don’t have to try to survive another summer here. 60 Degrees outside sounds wonderful to me. I’m prepared to spend some time alone, because I’m trying to stay practical when I know it takes time to make friends.
To re-cap, I’m just trying to find some help in finding a good job and a place to live. I currently have some college credit under my belt, and I may try to attempt to continue my education. I just need a few suggestions on how I should take the next step. I researched several communities, jobs, crime rates, etc… and I’m not too picky really living anywhere in Seattle. My main concern is obtaining a job, and finding a place to live, I can go from there in time if I find where I reside doesn’t suit me. Any suggestions, sites, or help would be much appreciated. If more info is needed don’t hesitate to ask. Thank you in advance!
Hi Chris! Looks like you’ve got an adventure ahead of you :-). We’d be more than happy to help you in any way we can…why don’t you give us a call to talk in greater detail about neighborhoods etc. 206.315.9850 John or Sarah
Hello,
My name is Kara, and I am 21 years old. I’m a community college student. I live outside of Cleveland, Ohio, in a small farm town. It has a charming court house, and little library, but that is it. I don’t hate Cleveland, I just feel that there is another place out there for me. I’ve lived all over the east coast, and the Midwest as well. The thought of moving to a new place is not scary, I just want to find a place where I would like to settle in. My boyfriend has lived on the west side of Cleveland his whole life( He is 23). We have talked about Marriage in the future. I was born in Florida, and I love trees, mountains and wildlife. I was also happiest living somewhere with an ocean, or great lake.
I would not mind living in Florida, I have a lot of family there, but my boyfriend is miserable the hot weather. He loves mountains, wilderness and is drawn to ocean towns, so we are interested in the P.N.West. From what we have heard, the climate is something he and I would love. I hear that the P.N.West is a colder Rain forest. I love rain, and thunderstorms. All I want in a place is greenery, I miss the jungle ;). Contrary to being a Floridian, I enjoy snow in the winter. I would miss it if I went down south. I live in a small rural country town, and I feel trapped. It Is barren and flat, because there are farms for miles. I feel depressed in the winter, not for lack of sun, but for no trees. I even enjoy long walks in a winter forest. All the farms are killing me!
I have never been to Seattle, but my mother has been there a few times on business, and had nothing but great things to say. She never said anything about a “freeze”, telling me that the people of Seattle are very warm, and laid back. I have never heard of it until reading this blog. I have a friend from Seattle, and he is more friendly than the people in the Mid-west. This leads me to believe that the “Freeze” is a Farce, based on Peoples’ Home sickness, and culture shock(People love what they are used to). I read the ten things above, and thought, “How Refreshing, this place sounds awesome!”
I and My boyfriend, both find the closed mindedness of our area suffocating. Him and I are Musicians (Heavy Metal), into self reliance (very D.I.Y), enjoy extreme sports and the like, and love living life beyond our T.V. How is the night life in Seattle? Are there clubs or organizations where like minded people can get together? Is Seattle expensive compared to Cleveland? How is the crime? How is the Job market (My boyfriend is an Audio Engineer, I work wherever is hiring)? How are the property prices? Is the Public transportation like the RTA in Cleveland (Bad) or the MTA in New York (I don’t have a driver’s license)? Please let me know.
If you can bring your own people with you, you’ll be fine. If you have to depend on the ones that are already there, you won’t. Everything else is either good or manageable. The people are just incredibly tedious and difficult … if you can get to know them at all. No, seriously. I’ve lived in 7 places in North America and have worked temporarily in many others. These are the hardest people I’ve ever had to deal with. Keep in mind that I was brought in to help turn around a failing non-profit, service and mercy oriented organization when I say this. So – theoretically, at least – I was in a values-motivated, cooperative environment, not a cut throat corporate world.
Here’s a list of what I remember:
1. The people are intelligent, but not necessarily smart. Knowledge is focused and structured, not broad or pragmatic.
2. Provincialism. Though projecting a “world city” image, people don’t really know as much as you’d think about the rest of the world or the rest of the US and Canada, or about people from other socio-economic strata.
3. They are never wrong. They have a hard time letting other people be right. People bristle at the idea that something they are doing is ineffective or inadequate, making course-correction very, very difficult. Where everyone is smarter than and knows better than everyone else, everything from the greatest core value to the smallest particular practice is subject to wearing criticism in the interest of “consensus.” This makes non-authoritarian leadership nearly impossible. It may be the reason highly structured, hierarchy-based corporate models work there. (like Microsoft).
4. They tend to be humourless. It can be hard to feel you’re on the same wavelength with others.
5. They are cordial, but not interested in conversation or friendships beyond that. People do not reciprocate thoughtfulness or overtures of friendship — an at times are actually proud of this trait.
6. There is a strong tendency to handle problems or conflicts passive-aggressively. As a result, trust levels are very, very low.
It may be that Seattle works for people who are just going to work so they can ski, sail, travel, or work on personal projects. They will make money and have plenty of opportunity for such things (if they’re in a company that has healthy expectations of employees’ time. But if you’re going there as a boss or organizational leader, particularly in a situation where there is no HR-defined hierarchy of authority, you really need to do your research and take a hard look at the Seattle personality.
I looked at the need, the environment, the sociology of the place, and the potential if things had succeeded. To my great regret I failed to ask enough questions about Seattle’s personality.
If you’re working in Seattle and find yourself reading sites like this out of some kind of frustration or in search of validation for your frustration (I know I did that), well, my advice is to get out of Dodge and get your leaden spirit free of there. No, it’s not like that everywhere. No, it’s not just you. No, it’s not going to get better if you just work harder or fix things with some particularly difficult person. Yes, there are better things you can do with your life. Yes, there are other places to live that will put a smile on your face.
Thats exactly how I feel.
Good job Foz. Hopefully your message will do many people planning on moving to Seattle some justice. Seattle sucks! It’s a boring, gloomy, shallow, fake liberal and backwards place. It’s like a rainy Arizona. Yes, I said it.
Seattle has more racial issues than Arizona…..but old school 1960s problems. Liberal just means latte there.
Yes, Seattle is one of the most racist cities I have ever been in. It’s the group hug kind of thing that makes it that way. It’s like intellectualizing race will make it all better.
To me Paul Allen’s attack on the International District is a perfect example. Let’s follow that with a trip down Light Rail to the airport, and you get a pretty good sense that those that develop Seattle don’t care, they just don’t have to.
Seattle is made up of very old, conservative, money. You do as you are told things will be. We are a baseball, football, college town mentality, in an ever expanding international market place. It makes for some very tense moments.
Down town Seattle is my biggest disappointment. Any type of night life, or considered fun, is over shadowed by the Benaroya Hall, Seattle Art Museum crowd that wants an art walk, wine tasting, night out, in direct contrast to the homeless that always seem to be ruining everything.
Seattle is a muddled set of directly opposing agendas with no focus. No real solutions are ever provided, we just have some very wealthy people dumping their ideas into a social quagmire.
So yes of course I have a question. I am going to the UW School of Dentistry and would love to live near the school so less driving but need a daycare that is not bad like most of the reviews I have read in the vacinity of the school. I am also looking for a job most likely at night for extra money any suggestions?
Hi. My husband and I are moving to Seattle from AZ – HUGE change! We’re used to 300 sunny days out of the year and we live in a big city with a small town mentality. We’re in our early thirties and would like to experience the big city life without being stuck in traffic as we leave our driveway. I read somewhere that West Seattle would be a good fit for us, but the first time I visited, I fell in love with Ballard. I felt it was a short drive from downtown Seattle and I love the architecture. I also like Bellevue… Can anyone tell me a few pro’s and con’s about living in Ballard, Bellevue vs. West Seattle? I would greatly appreciate it… Already missing the great Mexican food.
i lived in Seattle for many years. At first I loved it and I thought the weather was cool and romantic. My wife thought so, too, because we liked to hang out in coffee cafes and spend time reading and other introverted stuff like that.
Then we became parents and everything changed. The weather grated on our nerves. Our children would get stir crazy because as much as Seattle residents claim they can still do outside activities in the rain, babies and toddlers aren’t so good with that. We moved to a warmer, sunnier climate and we are much happier.
I do have some good memories of Seattle, though. It is probably the most beautiful city in the entire United States. Vancouver is also awesome and close by.
Good luck to those of you who want to move to Seattle…just make sure you are really aware of how much of an impact weather can have on your quality of life.
P.S. I do have a favorite Seattle resource for people who are job hunting in Seattle: http://www.vocationvillage.com/seattle-careers.html
There are already too many architects in my native city- which has always made it a very competitive place to practice. One has to like/tolerate rain- and know how to deal with it- architecturally and otherwise. JerryG
Seattle is a great city, it’s like a paradise to me! The cold breeze, the Space Needle, the beaches… I am so fascinated with this place.
I moved to Seattle five years ago from New Mexico and am finally getting a chance to leave, for which I am very grateful. Am working towards that and hope to be back in the SouthWest in six months. What these people say about the Seattle Freeze is somewhat true but maybe simply because it does get pretty insular to be in this misty weather so much of the time. And they’re probably looking down all the time because they’re avoiding being rained on…it’s really the cool thing in seattle to wear a hoodie and not to have an umbrella. You can meet people if you try real hard and join clubs and such, but there’s a worse problem. It’s how that mist and dampness starts creeping into your bones. Our backyard is soggy and is very hard to mow because we actually sink into it when we try! My aches and pains have increased steadily living here and the wild barometric shifts combined with the constant wetness really gets pretty painful. There’s not only alot of depression around here, but a high preponderance of MS, fibromyalgia, arthritis and other ailments that are made worse by damp climates. And the smell of mold is everywhere around here…you simply can’t avoid it…you’ll have to clean w/ vinegar to keep the mold down. But I’m allergic to the stuff, so I’m very excited to be getting back to the sun and smiling faces and to the open skies of the southwest. To each her own, and seattle holds allure to a certain kind of person, just as every place does. Check any big move out carefully. I’ve met alot of people at moving sales here on their way to Arizona and New Mexico and California and Hawaii who say they’d LIKE to stay because of their families and friends but that they simply CAN’T because they hurt so much physically here. It’s a long, long 9 months of short days and very little sun! Do your research and find your best place! Good luck!
So what’s with all the talk about the Seattle Freeze? I’ve spent most my life in the mountains of Colorado and have experienced some pretty cold temperatures and winters here. So what are you talking about in terms of “freeze”? We’re kind of used to extreme cold weather temperatures here. I also spent a winter in Chicago and experienced their freeze from Lake Michigan so does it have to do with the Pacific being in your front yard? I’ve been considering moving there (probably not until next year) but was just curious.
Thanks for the post. I especially loved the tongue in cheek humor. I think right now Seattle is a great place to live in. Considering the current financial crisis that we are experiencing, it is surprising to know that mortgage rates in Seattle have decreased into 4.2 % range. This piece of news has been published in U.S. Housing News. It has also been reported that for other loans, the interest rates are less than 4 %. I think that this news will be well received by people who are planning to move to Seattle to buy a new home or to refinance the existing mortgage loan.
I love the weather, it’s perfect for me. However, there is the “Seattle freeze”. They are very snobby, but why? At least on the east coast, people are snobby for a reason. I work with people that graduated from mediocre schools, rarely travel out of Washington state and a small bank account, yet they walk around with their noses in the air. It’s not a very diverse place, yet they say they’re diverse. I work in a office building of 520 people and there is one African American. I’m sure this comment will be deleted because the truth about Seattle is never printed. I will be criticized about my grammar and also someone will say “I’m glad you don’t like it.. we don’t want more people to move here or leave, blah, blah”. I’ve heard all the defensive comments, I’ve lived in Seattle twenty years. I’ll be up front with you, not everyone is like Bill Gates in Seattle. Trucks with lifts, pitt bulls, and rednecks are plentiful.
I was wondering does Seattle have a hip hop/ reggae scene or clubs. Are there west Indian restaurants. Are there many carribean people there . I am moving to Seattle in a few days with hubby n my 7 year old son from queens ny. We will find a apt when we get there. All this rain talk has me depressed already. Who in tge he’ll wants rain in there glasses all the time. Or there hair wet a tge time. Granted I’m not excited about Seattle but jeez is there anything about Seattle that’s exciting ?!???
This Seattle Native’s Queens-born wife
has survived the rain better than he has
(whatever that means). Give it a try! JG-
The last time I had Caribbean food it was in Jamaica and it was curried goat. I don’t think it is all that common in many areas of the U.S. You may have to learn to cook it. Tell me your favorite west indian dishes you were able to get in Queens, and I’ll see if I can find it for you. Not much “goat” around here…so hopefully you have some other favorites. 🙂
You get used to the weather. You may want to shave your head for the first 3 months or so, but then you realize that really good hair products are a much better answer. It takes a few years to learn how to walk in the spit without acknowledging it. A pretty cool Seattlite thing to acquire. Takes some practice.
This Seattle Reggae Calendar may be of some help, or at least put a smile on your face. Seems to have been updated recently.
http://www.seattlereggae.com/
A family member of ours is a lot younger than I and a DJ. I’ll see if she can point you in the right direction for hip-hop and reggae and get back to you on that.
um ive lived in seattle all my life and it really doesnt rain as much as DC or other cities. The rain is overrated. we have our sunny days! it is a very fun place and there are lots of things to do. there are some VERY interesting people in seattle. it is a beautiful and diverse city.
Monique,
Chloe, my partner Kim’s daughter, tells me there is a club for reggae music and Caribbean food both in the International District and in Rainier Valley. When you are in town or closer to being in town, let me know and I’ll try to have Chloe come over here and fill you in on the details. She is an International DJ who was born and raised here. She’s off to Columbia, I think, for a gig. But give me a heads up VIA EMAIL at ardelld@gmail.com vs on this post where I may not see a comment. The way this site works is the post author gets an email when someone comments, so you can email me or make a comment on one of the posts I have written vs one written by one of the other Authors on the site.
nikki,
I agree with you 110%. I have not lived here all my life and have lived in several very good places. But Seattle clearly has, on an overall basis, the best of all worlds…especially the people I meet here who are from just about everywhere. As to the rain, if you added everyone else’s snow to their rain…we’d be about even and it’s a lot harder to get around in snow than misty rain.
I soon will be relocating to Seattle, WA from Chicago. I’ve lived in Chicago on and off for the better part of 11 years, and Illinois for about 24 years. I *hate* Chicago, I *hate* the Midwest.
I am totally looking forward to Seattle. The funny thing to me is first off I am NOT a people person, and I am known to be kind of cold and unfriendly, then I hear about things like the “Seattle freeze” and it makes me think I will fit right in. Secondly, I went to visit there around this past Thanksgiving and I made so many friends it was ridiculous. Again I am NOT a people person yet I found the people there to be AWESOME! (Unlike the holier-than-thou people of Chicago. I would love to tell them where they can shove their attitudes.)
I moved to Seattle from Santa Cruz CA and lived there for 9 years. There WERE lots of jobs. Great jobs. Reallly great jobs. Dunno about now since I moved Boise 10 years ago when work dried up in Seattle just as it started to boom here. No, Boise is not booming anymore.
In Santa Cruz, when it rained it poured. Seattle is more of a drizzle-sprinke kind of place. Even the rain forest on the coast is a place of mostly drizzle. Boise is a burning-freezing town. Seattle is greener than most of California south of Eugene. Not fragrant like California. If you want to picnic, take a ferryfrom town accross Puget Sound where you can be in the rain shadow of the Olympic mountain range. . Puget Sound is quite beautiful. There are very nice weekend trips to make to Victoria, Vancouver, Mount Ranier (the local volcano that rumbles just a little.) the Cascades ,Olympic mountains or the San Juan Islands.
The buses are badly overcrowded. Count on standing. The people that presented plans for a railway kept planning to run it in the wrong directions, so no proposal was accepted while I lived there.
It is not a religeous place. Don’t expect lots of churches, synagogs, temples, people speaking montras or rejoicing in hallelujas. However, some of the local tribes are still hanging on. I never met any vampires in Forks where my sister’s family lives, just a couple of Wiccans.
The homeless are visible in several places. All along University Way at the University of Washington. Sitting on the pavement begging near the few churces there are. They are not really allowed to beg openly, but it wouldn’t hurt to pass out some sandwiches.
If you are concerned about jobs, schools or crime, do some web searching. It all varies. South and West Seattle are rather poor and rough places.
You forgot to mention Seattle’s die-hard soccer fans & our beloved Sounders FC!!!!!
GO SOUNDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey everyone,
All these blogs have been great in helping me learn a little more about Seattle. I have a few questions. I’m hopeing to be a future student at University of Washington and was wondering if there are past or present students that could give me some input on what it is like down there. I’ll be down to visit Seattle in March but until then what is your opinion on the college and city of Seattle? I’m a vary outdoorsy person from a small town in Wyoming, the thought of leaving mountains to attend college was not an option, that’s where Seattle came in. Plus my father lived there for a couple years when I was younger and when visiting I fell in love with the rain (which we get very little of on Wyoming) and I love how secluded it felt being surrounded by trees (which Wyoming also lacks). If anyone else has been to Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff AZ, or Boise State in Boise Idaho how do these places or schools compare?
I’m a small town girl looking to finally experience a big city, what are some things I should know before making the big leap? Also how hard is it for college students to find a job down there? Right now I’m working on getting my personal trainer certificate, is there any gyms that you would recommend trying to apply for a position like that? If Seattle is where I choose to go I would be moving down there in beginning of June. Where would be a good place for me to look for apartments and about how far of a drive is it from UW? How much does the average person spend on food a month? Just overall how much should I be expecting to spend a month being a college student living in a decent place with roommates, buying healthy foods, and maybe a gym membership? Lastly, when I do go down and visit in March where are some good restaurants should I check out?
Thanks for taking the time to read this if anyone replies you’re greatly appreciated!
Hi there, hoping I may still get some replies on here. Came across this site the other day and it looks really good. I have no knowledge what so ever of Seattle, my husband has been once on business and his company is in Seattle. We live in the UK, in the Suburbs of London and have two young children.
The company my husband works for would love for him to move to the Seattle office and I just can’t make up my mind whether we should do it, even if just for a couple of years. i am so tempted although must admit a bit scared of the weather!
Does anyone know if it is similar to hee in the UK where we are also known for our rain, pretty much all year round? We do occaionally get really hot summers and warm autumns but winter is pretty much rain all the way through. Although we also get weeks like this week where it is really cold outside but the sun is shining. Is Seattle pretty similar to this?
My 2 boys are so physical they like to spend a LOT of time out of the house at the park, going for walks by the river etc. & I am worried they won’t get to do that as much.
Is there quite a lot of activities to do with young children who are not yet at school? I like getting out with the kids and meeting people and I probably won’t be working.
Appreciate any advice, I’m hoping we’ll get a chance to all come out this year and see what it’s like 🙂
Emma,
That is fairly accurate as to similarity except for this sentence:
“Although we also get weeks like this week where it is really cold outside but the sun is shining.”
Change the word “weeks” to “days” and that would be about right. The progression from winter into Spring and then Summer tends to be 7 days no sun for weeks, then 1 day of sun for weeks, then 2, 3, 4, and so on. So a full week of sun usually doesn’t hit until Summer, for the most part.
Define “really cold”? Today it is mostly sunny and 43 going up to 47 by late day. The other day it was “misty rain” and went up to 51.
When it “rains” here it is often not the kind of rain you need an umbrella for. Just a hoodie or hooded jacket.
Here’s the way I see it, being from Philadelphia. It doesn’t SNOW here very much! 🙂 So when other people have really cold and snow, we have warmer and rain. It’s a lot easier to get about in 43 and sunny or 50 and rainy than 20 degrees and a foot of snow.
So compared to sunny places like Florida and California…we are not so good weatherwise. Compared to NY and PA, we have awesome weather.
My guess is the weather will be about the same as where you are now.
Thanks for your reply 🙂
I’ve just added Seattle weather to my phone and in comparison to London it’s virtually exactly the same this week, a couple of sunny looking days, a couple of cloudy ones and more than likely rain at the weekend (typical) with temps between 43 & 53 degrees.
We seem to get extremes of weather in this country, we had as low as 20 over November & December and so much snow but that is not a normal thing, we’re not prepared for that much snow here. & in the summer the highest it can get is around 90 but it’s mainly in the 70’s with some days getting in the 80’s. I don’t mind the rain too much as long as we can get out of the house in all our wet-weather clothes & carry on.
OMG the streets sound way too confusing for me. I am directionally challenged in a normal city. I think Seattle would mess me up. I vote for Street names!
Great post. Laughed when I read #1 and #2. Hence the domain name “raincityguide”. Keep it honest.
Always interesting for us natives to read these comments.
Rain of course gets to us as well as it does to newcomers.
From SD wanting to move to Seattle? What is wrong with you guys????
I would do anything to move out of Seattle and go to California or Florida. The weather sucks SO Much!
I am from South America and the only reason why I can’t move out is because my husband does not want to (and I have kids with him).
This is where I spent my teen years in Seattle.
http://knol.google.com/k/jerry-gropp-architect-aia/this-is-where-i-spent-my-teen-years/246qxuxd260sm/213#
Hi
We are moving from San jose to Seattle area .I would like to know about the best public schools,swim team ,and the like as I have a 7 year old daughter who loves to do lot of activities.Please help me .
Where will you be working? Downtown Seattle? Redmond? Bellevue? Try looking up the Elementary School Rankings on Great Schools.org
There are usually 3 best schools among the many in each area. Where you will be working here, and price range of home, would be helpful in determing the answer to your question.
Hello,
I’m planning to relocate alone to Seattle and honestly I’m scared. I don’t mind the rain, don’t care much for tans anyway and I love Asian food. Is it difficult to find an apartment and a job? I have some banking and retail experience.
I don’t think it’s hard “to find an apartment and a job”. The question is will the job pay enough so that you can afford the apartment.
I have lived in Seattle for 23 years.
I think the posters above are exaggerating when they say it rains from Oct to May. The bad months are really from Nov to March (like most places in the country – except we don’t freeze over!). Oct, April, and May can be quite nice – and the summers aren’t like anything else in the country! The most gorgeous, beautiful weather you can find.
In Seattle, you are surrounded by beautiful scenery. Like water sports? We have tons of lakes, inlets, and bays. Like to hike? Mt. Rainier towers over the city, the Olympics provide easy and beautiful day hikes. Not sure why anyone would complain about driving “an hour and a half” to hike. Because the places you can get to in little over an hour are truly spectacular. Very few cities of Seattle’s size have such close access to rugged national parks.
And of course, if you’re less outdoorsy and prefer city-life, Seattle offers an abundance of activities – and yes, great food. Especially if you enjoy Asian or Seafood.
Drawbacks: When I say the “bad months” are from Nov-March, I really do mean they are bad. It’s very dark, it drizzles 85% of the time (but rarely pours). The way I see it, though, is that while most of the country is freezing to death and shoveling their driveways, we just need to carry an umbrella. If you can survive the winter months, it will pay off – because May-Sept is amazing
If you enjoy 100 degree temps, humidity, and beach life – Seattle isn’t for you. But if you like the rugged outdoors, water, beautiful scenery, and nice people (yes, they do exist in Seattle) – then Seattle is for you.
I am in San Diego also and considering Seattle, Minneapolis, Boston. I am originally from Washington, D.C. I’ve been in San Diego for 14 years and have been trying to leave for 13 years now. I’ve been to the beach maybe 5 times and almost always at night or to watch sun go down. I do like motorcycling through the desert here and used to like motorcycling in Mexico until beheaded people hanging from over-passes were a daily norm, so I stopped doing that. I don’t mind riding in the rain, but prefer to ride on sunny days. I also like to commute on my motorcycle. I love the rain and it rarely rains here. When it does rain, I get all giddy about it and call my mom and tell her how excited I am that it’s raining. That being said, I would get tired back East of it raining more than two days in a row. I liked bike riding (bicycle) as well. I was very active and loved the outdoors. NOW, I am fairly disabled and with my disability settlement finally getting out of California. This is my last chance to be able to afford to move. I am 50 years old a loner who loves his dog more than most of the people in his family. I stay to myself and dislike nosy people who.s first question is “What do you do for a living?” Due to my several health ailments, my prognosis is probably 15 years of life left, so wherever I go, it will be the last place I go more than likely. What I heard once from someone that lived in Settle, his words, was that it was depressing, cloudy and full of pedophiles…LOL…Not sure why he threw the pedophile thing in, but I don’t have any kids, though I consider my dog my baby, that’s about it. I will be getting about $2400 a month from the Government, so I am hoping that it will afford me rent in a decent place and utilities and food and transportation. I will be getting a lump sum of 70k of back-pay so I am using that to move and buy a new car that will last the rest of my life and revamp my old BMW motorcycle which I haven’t ridden in years anyway because of my health, still, one day, I will get back on her. Other than that, I’ve never had much friends in life and have been a plumber most of my life, a great plumber and may even put an ad in paper to do small jobs just to keep myself busy and earn a little extra cash…So…does it sound like I could make it there?? Also, explain this Seattle Freeze thing, someone. I am originally from East Coast so harsh winters I have seen, but being in San Diego 14 years, I now get cold when it get near 60, though I am positive I can re-acclimate. Also as I said considering Minneapolis because they always get high marks for quality of living there. So yeah, bad winters won’t bother me really. Just hope my dog likes it, because he is already 13 years old and blind and doesn’t have long to go. I don’t either but….What you think? Oh by the way, never much liked Mexican food, so no great loss and have always complained that there are no good Asian places here in San Diego. Love Seafood also, especially crab legs.
I moved to Seattle 10 years ago after living in Redondo Beach for 35 yrs. I do love the beach however, so I chose Seattle vs inland. Seriously, only the weather gets me down sometimes, but what weather doesn’t. I remember the first time it snowed, we giggled and laughed and had a blast. Still love when it snows… usually doesnt stick for long. Yes, we get some bad stuff here, but who doesnt. I actually feel safer here than I do in LA..It was a little hard to adjust, especially meeting new people, but man, very friendly….. I always used to think that this is probably what Redondo Beach was like before the explosion on ppl. Super friendly, but NOT NOSY.. That’s the best part. My breathing is great….Kids lost the breathing issues too. ALSO, super dog friendly here…Good luck, And I hope you get back on your bike soon…sounds dreammy…. I see a lot of bikes here……vvvrrmmm :}
Hello My name is Julie and I am planning on moving to seattle washington in 2012 around January. I currently live in California, in the bay area to be exact. I am plannning to move to seattle by myself. my family is here in California but I just want to take a break from home and move to seattle for at least a year. I hear that the weather makes people depressed after a while with all the gray raininy days. Which concerns me because its always sunny most of the time here in my hometown. so Im not sure what effect the weather will have on me but I would like to know how the weather affected any Californians in this website, when they moved to seattle. I never visited the city of seattle but I would like to know the good and the bad things about living in seattle for a person that will be living alone. is it hard finding a job as a medical assistant? what area would you recommend living that is cheap but safe?
Julie,
I lived in L.A. before moving here and in Florida before that. So about 8 years of total sunshine before moving here. Before I answer your questions more fully…what do you mean by “cheap”? Can you put a number on that?
Hello,
Greetings. Am planing to move to Seattle this Fall. I work as a massage therapist/visual artist. Looking to relocate to a neighborhood hopefully artistic and diverse, with easy access to bookstores, cafes and public transportation. of course, if near by a park would be a big plus. Any suggestion please?
Thanks.
Pete
Anything close to Downtown Seattle. When I think of any of the physical or related therapy businesses, I think of Roosevelt which is a little pocket to the West of Green Lake before you get to Ravenna. Not too expensive there either. Not as trendy as Downtown, but anything near Green Lake is a great lifestyle. On the Roosevelt Ravenna side there are lots of relatively inexpensive apartments and Downtown is only 10 to 15 mintues away. Stop by the Latona Pub…an area favorite!
http://www.3pubs.com/Latona.html
Hello my name is Julie and I left a comment not so long ago. So I’m planning on moving to Seattle on my own. I am from California, I live in the Bay area. And I was wondering what are the chances of finding a 1 bedroom apartment for about $600 or around that price in a safe neighborhood. In my hometown the cheapest is $700 but I also noticed that the cost of living in Seattle and cities near are a lower than in my current city. I am also open to the idea of moving to a city near Seattle, it really doesn’t have to be exactly Seattle but it would be nice if it’s in the area. Also what areas are safe in Seattle for a single women. I have been reading a lot of comments on a lot of websites but not all of them agree.
One last thought: I have been re-searching websites on how the Seattle weather affects people that are use to a sunny environment. It would be nice to hear personal experiences from people here if the Weather’s made them depressed at some point, after they moved to Seattle.
Thanks in advanced 🙂
Good to know if I have any clients looking to move to Seattle! Thanks for the info 🙂
Cheers,
Adam
Julie,
I don’t know much about apartment rentals, but I’m not seeing safe for $600. Most are on Craigslist and I don’t see $600 for not safe. Maybe a share situation?
As to the weather…my exhusband depressed me…weather? It’s just weather. Helps to NOT take your vacation in summer when it’s great to be here. Plan at least one trip to the sun around Feb/March and that usually does it for me. Holds me until hour summer comes, which is July 5th.
Thanks. I was also wondering, what neighborhoods are safe in Seattle for a women that most likely live alone?
Julie,
Generally speaking we can’t list safe vs unsafe here on a blog in writing due to retribution from ones we might call “unsafe”. If you use Craigslist to find an apartment and put the address in Homefacts.com, you can get the crime rating and other information on the area.
Neighborhoods on what we call The Eastside like Kirkland, Bellevue and Redmond, tend to have lower crime than some parts of Seattle. If you can find a place you can afford in Kirkland, I highly recommend it. Green Lake in Seattle is a close 2nd. Rental prices don’t vary that much from place to place, though $600 would be a pretty small apartment. Maybe even a studio apartment without a separate bedroom.
PHEW. Reading this helps a lot. Looking a LOT like my family and I (husband and 9 year old daughter) will be relocated to Seattle within the next 60 days. I have never even been there – other than the SeaTac airport. Heartbroken doesn’t even begin to describe how I feel about leaving our home in Boise, but it’s hard to say no to a great offer from a great company.
We hear Northshore and Lake Washington school districts will be the best, is that what you think too? We’re very concerned about that because our daughter is in classical education programs where we live now – taking Latin and Spanish and she’s pretty advanced. We want to make sure she continues to excel.
I hear Lynnwood is good for great prices AND being close. Any other places you can recommend?
Thank you so much for having this here.
I forgot to mention, I will be working in Bothell, and my husband’s office will be in Bellevue.
Stephanie, it’s a tough market for someone who is relocating, as inventory is not that great. If you can rent and look for a house to buy while you are here, that would likely be best. I wouldn’t say Lynnwood is an obvious choice for someone working in Bellevue. Bothell is likely as far away from Bellevue as you would want to be. Lynnwood is in the opposite direction. Bothell, Kenmore, Kirkland, Redmond, Bellevue. Bellevue’s a big place. Will he be in Downtown Bellevue?
It depends on your price range, but the hardest factor to overcome for people relocating to Bellevue is that the age of the housing in a reasonable price range is pretty old. Usually in the 1960’s or so. The only reason someone would say “Lynnwood” for Bellevue to Bothell that I can think of is if someone is looking for newer housing options. But Lynnwood is a heck of a commute from Bellevue.
I definitely understand about the market – we’ve been looking around for the past several days.
*I* will be working in Bothell, my husband can commute to the Bellevue office OR he can choose to work from home…his job is more flexible. We’re mostly concerned about me, since my job is the one that’s relocating us.
I think we’re looking for something around 4 bedrooms and 1500.00 a month. I thought Lynnwood seemed to be a better choice for size+price…do you have other thoughts?
Sorry I can’t be of more help, Stephanie. My service area stops before Lynnwood and goes around the lake from Bellevue, Redmond & Kirkland to Bothell, Kenmore and around to Mountlake Terrace-Brier, Shoreline and into Seattle. Lynnwood a bit too far north and doesn’t come up in my daily business. You also cross over from King County to Snohomish County in Bothell and touch on Northshore, Edmonds and Everett School districts, depending on which direction you go from Bothell King County.
Where in Bothell will you be working? Bothell King County or Bothell Snohomish County? I would start by picking which school vs which house. GreatSchools.org is a great place to check out the schools by putting in each city. I usually recommend picking your favorite elementary schools and then search for house after choosing several schools.
Are there decent amount of jobs in the medical fiels in Seattle? I was planning on Moving to Seattle and I am currently going to college to become a LVN (Licensed Vocational Nurse). Right now I am currently a medical assistant working in a family practice clinic. If I do end up moving to Seattle I will be looking for a job as a medical assistant. So I was wondering if there are a decent amount of jobs in that area. Or is it really hard to find a job as a medical assistant than any other field in Seattle.
Someone mentioned that summer starts on July 5th.
Unfortunately they forgot to mention it ends that same evening.
🙂
If you really like Asian food though there is the most divine cooking class in Kent teaching Southeast Asian cusine, The lady, who incidently is also author of the Spicemerchants Daughter, teaches and cooks in her home where you first do the lesson, and then sit down to dine in her home.
It makes for the most wonderful atmosphere and classes are small so you are not neglegted. The price is really good to.
I have since moved away, and really miss my time in Seattle, but North Virginia is good too so cant complain to much.
Hahaha! I was the “July 5th” person…but this year it never really came at all. In fact yesterday was the first time I was uncomfortably warm at all this year. Maybe one other day. The heat come on last week at noon! 🙂
“on those first few warm, sunny spring days, all of life is good in a way that Californians will never understand”
I try to live my life by this principal, if not quite so extremely. We appreciate the good things in life that much more when we have experienced the bad things too…
travel planning around seattle weather … (from a sunloving expat import)
summer starts somewhere between july 4 and finishes around september 6 (labor day). vacation in western washington during this time, it doesn’t get more gorgeous. camp at one of the many well-cared for camp sites like moran state park (san juan islands, site #10) or deception pass park OR enjoy seattle little joys like swimming at lincoln park in west seattle, flying a kite at gasworks park, picnic at the sculpture park and the list goes on …
october-november-december is the halloween-thanksgiving-christmas mudslide so light up the fireplace, start cooking+baking, rug up and dig in. this is when you actually enjoy the grey.
january + february can be torturous unless you get outside and SKI. the proximity+conditions of crystal, stevens, snoqualmie (esp. for kids) is enviable, so make the most of it. kick off the ski season with a white christmas ski trip – whistler, baker, hood are good candidates for this.
march to june is a mixed bag and a really good time for a sunbreak … as you watch temperatures rising across everywhere else in the US, things are mostly still grey and cool in seattle. april and may are better months – flowers are in bloom and the city transforms (check out the japanese gardens in the arboretum at this time). march: you must leave – head south to cabo, san diego, LA, disneyland (or vegas if that’s your cup of tea) for some relief from the grey. june: you must leave – see all of the above mentioned ideas or head over to eastern washington for something more affordable (like lake chelan or alta lake). once you get east of the cascades, the temperature rises at least 10F and you can swim, sunbake and do summery things before summer (slowly) arrives to seattle.
Thank you George! This is such an excellent comment…I may turn it into a blog post of its own. Thank you so much for taking the time to write it!
Much appreciated.
If you can handle the rain and traffic, then Seattle is a great place to call home! On a beautiful sunny day, the view of Mt. Rainier and the water over Puget Sound is just breathtaking. Can’t beat it. I’m a big fan of visiting in the city for a night on the town but living in one of the nice suburbs to the east of Seattle (ie…. Bellevue, Redmond, Kirkland)
My girlfriend and I are planning on moving to the Seattle area in mid-2012 from the east coast,for no particular reason other than we are just just plain sick and tired of the dirty air,the crooked cops,and last but not least,some of the rudest,nosiest,somebody owes me something people that infest the “lovers” state. Actually,we just came back from a weeks stay in Seattle where we had the time of our lives. Questions…. What type of job opportunities are available for a blue collar “jack of all trades,master of none” kind of guy? Will I be able to secure employment in a reasonable amount of time? What do utilities usually run per month, and how difficult is it to get utilities in my name since i am a transplant? Are there any assistance programs that will help someone find housing,jobs,etc to someone new to the state? While visiting,we stayed in seatac and took the lightrail into Seattle,and some of the stops along the way looked very promising as far as housing goes. Can you give me any info on any of those places? (tuckwila,beacon hill,etc… As far as the so called “Seattle Freeze”is concerned, I welcome it. And as far as the rain,it couldnt possible be as bad as the cold virginia winters. Again,any info would be greatly apprieceiated. Chris
Hi Chris,
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I was hoping someone else might pope in here and answer this, as I really don’t have a clue. My best guess is you could both find jobs to support yourselves in a one bedroom condo somewhere without too much difficulty. It’s been a few years, but my daughter and her friend had no problem getting jobs. Her friend worked at Borders for awhile and then got a better job at a Property Management Company with no experience. But my daughter worked there, and so she gave her friend “a leg up”.
If you both work…you can probably swing it. I don’t know any City or area that has a general assistance program. The hard part will be getting a place to stay while you are looking for jobs or when you are first hired. Usually you shouldn’t move to a new place unless you have someone to stay with, or have saved some money prior to the move to get settled with.
IS IT CULTURALLY DIVERSE IN SEATTLE OR PORTLAND?
WHAT NATIONALITIES ARE MAINLY IN THOSE CITIES?
I suggest you google the demographics. It is generally inappropriate to talk about “nationalities” on a real estate blog. Seattle tends to be very PC as well, and rarely do you see conversations involving race or even religion. Politics? Yes. Lots of talk about riding bicycles or not…better safety for people riding bicycles. Recycling? Lots of talk about what can be composted in the yard waste containers.
Don’t know much about Portland, but I expect you can google the demographics for that area as well.
Sorry I can’t be of more help.
thank you but i dont see how that question is inappropriate, i just like all kind of people because im from atlanta but sorry if i offended you..I just like a variety of nationalities and it is important to know
You didn’t offend me at all, Jareal. Not a tiny bit. I didn’t mean to suggest you did anything wrong. Just saying I can’t answer the question because of limitations on licensed real estate people in the United States of America. 🙂 Anyone in real estate is subject to a lot of laws that can limit “free speech” with regard to race…religion…national origin, etc for licensed real estate people.
A majority of my clients are from India and European countries, so the area feels VERY diverse to me. But when you look at the demographics, as I suggested, the numbers don’t look the same as my experience. I think the fact that we are quite diverse makes the discussion less of a discussion, if that makes any sense.
I would provide the links for you, which I can do, but some information is from back in 2000, so not sure how relevant that is, and some of the rest just doesn’t look correct to me. I shy away from providing a source that I can’t validate as accurate.
Looking out my window right now, the people across the street are caucasian, the people on the left are Asian, the people on the right are Hispanic and the people next to them are Afro-American. So it’s looking pretty diverse from where I’m sitting right now. But when you say “mainly”…well for that, you have to look at the demographics.
I’m half Italian and half Russian, 2nd generation American…but I’m not 100% sure what that is. My sister thinks she’s part afro-american, even though we have the same parents. Fine by me. 🙂
Thank you very much Ardell you’ve provided me with some valuable information. I will look forward to moving to Seattle
Glad to be of help. I think it’s a great area, and for me, that’s mostly about the people. So I think you will like it here.
Great information, I’ve lived in the Tacoma area back in 92 to 99, moved there after my military time was up and family was out there. Well to say the least I’d not enjoy myself at all, ran into other peoples problems, my fault. Now at 53 working and living in Ga which I don’t like the south that much and a another family issue that got me here. Damn fool, I retire in 2 years from my present job and will move back to the Seattle area, this time it’s just for bigdaddyraheem, thanks for a great post, without rain, no rainbow peace.
Does the rain often cause traffic problems? does it rain hard all the time or is it just misty?? Lastly does the rain stop people from hnging out and having fun???
I am considering moving to Seattle (or suburbs) with my boyfriend. We are a young couple and need a change in our life. We are currently living in Naples, FL (nice to visit but no one under 45 wants to be here). We’re hoping to find some place that has culture, nature, places to meet people/send time after work, and not as pretentious as Naples.
Outside of Seattle, what areas are best for living that are close enough to get into the city?
Being a young couple, we are a bit strapped for cash, so knowing if jobs are available is important. What is out there in way of jobs? And what is the average renting rate? Is it possible ti find a 1bedroom/1bath for $600 or less?
Any input, help, suggestions would be greatly appreciated! We are hoping to move by this coming summer, as we’ll have enough (HOPEFULLY) to get there by that time.
Thanks!
Malinda
I’m not an expert on young people getting jobs or rentals, but my suggestion would be in Seattle near the Northgate Mall. http://bit.ly/uFkmVP Plenty of businesses in that area. A 1 bedroom for $600 is a little low, but I saw one for $675 two blocks from the mall and $720 to $750 should be doable most days. Rent doesn’t change much outside of Seattle as long as you are not Downtown, you should be able to find something near a place with jobs and still be in City with good bus routes, etc. to get around.
If REALLY good Mexican food is what you’re looking for then try La Fogata in Snoqualmie. It is one of the best Mexican restaurants I have ever been to and I’m from Cali. The best of the best!
On a different note, Seattle sucks if you just can’t get used to the weather which I still haven’t. Everything looks constantly grey, sad, empty and super cold. We came here because of Microsoft but every day I beg (more like nag) my husband to “get the hell out of here”. It’s ssssssso mellow and boring and to top it off, people act like zombies. So, if you like a happy, outgoing, social environment where you can get down to some salsa or cool Jazz at a street fair or festival, don’t expect to find it in this area. People are truly dead…..yawn.
I lived in Seattle for 20 years and now I’m living north of London. The weather is very, very similar. Dark, dreary, and damp. It has never bothered me. But one of the biggest differences I’ve found between here and Seattle is that in England the weather does not seem to stop people from getting out and living. There is so much life and activity even in the dead of winter. Last week I walked past a park with little kids bundled up, sliding down the slides, and two young men playing tennis in their shorts. The sight struck me and I realized that you would never see that in Seattle. I love and adore Seattle and it’s an outdoorsmens Paradise, but I had lived there all my life and had friends since birth. I can imagine it could be a difficult city to move to for the first time. But you will not find a more beautiful place. People keep to themselves, but they are kind once you get to know them.
After being born here, i moved to Spokane with my family, moved back at age 14. The next away was in the US Army Air Corps/AirForce in Amarllo, Texas and Hobbs, New Mexico. When I came back to Seattle in rainy November to UW Architecture on the GI Bill, it was quite an adjustment- that is still going on. J-
“closer to asia than mexico”??
what??! if you mean “cuisine-wise,” then you should say so, because, otherwise that is blatantly inaccurate. you see, there’s this thing in between seattle and asia…called the pacific ocean…and, well, it’s kinda big.
If you’re thinking about moving to Seattle, then you’ve already heard some positive things about the city. Let me tell you some of the drawbacks.
Hard to make friends – A lot has been written about how hard it is for people who move to Seattle to make friends. Just google “Seattle freeze”. I wish I could offer some insight about it, but I really can’t. I’ve experienced the freeze and seen it happen to others many times and still don’t understand it. I do know that I’ve never experienced anything like it in any other city.
No nightlife – Like to go out drinking or dancing at 2 am? Have an affinity for all-night diners or late night movie theaters? Seattleites don’t. Moving here will mean making major adjustments to your lifestyle. Everything shuts down at night.
No dating scene – Seattle doesn’t have a social scene like places in the South or Midwest do. Dating and pairing off as soon as you graduate from high school or college isn’t the norm here. Dating doesn’t seem to even be of interest to a lot of people. Seattle has one of the highest rates of homes with single occupancy (one person living alone in a house).
No fashion sense – This is something that people who come here from other parts of the country notice right away. It’s not that Seattleites dress casually, it’s that they really don’t care how they dress. In other parts of the country, for example, you see 18, 19, 20-year-old girls experimenting with make-up and hair and different clothes. Not here. Seattle girls dress every day like they’re going duck hunting — no make-up, no hairstyle, no jewelry, no color co-ordination. They wear flannel shirts and Gore-Tex jackets and rubber boots, same as the guys.
Not kid-friendly – Seattle has a low birth rate and few children compared to other cities. There also seems to be an odd lack of concern for the welfare of kids here. In late October 2011, a child was abducted from the street that I work on. A little boy was taken from a car on the street and no one has seen him since. The fact that it happened right where I work was very scary and unsettling. But you know what was just as scary? It didn’t seem to be any big deal to my co-workers. It was hardly talked about.
Stalking – Stalking happens everywhere in the US, but not like what’s going on here. In Seattle, there’s “group stalking” and “mobbing,
My two cents …
Hard to make friends – so completely untrue about Seattle – it’s a bunch of transplants ready to meet up
No nightlife – it’s not a big drinking town like a Chicago or Boston, I’ll give you … but it’s got nightlife – just not a lot of dancing
No dating scene – I bet Seattle is one of the top online dating cities – I could be wrong …
No fashion sense – 100% true – it’s what I love about Seattle
Not kid-friendly – it’s because once people have kids they move to the eastside (as a general rule – not always)
Blue city, red city – he/she has a point … not sure what negative that is … sounds like a good balance to me
It’s expensive – true, but who wants to live in Missouri? (Sorry family but it’s true)
It is 2012 and I just found this article! I love it!:) Thanks!
Yes, it has the Colorado River running through it. As for work, I will be relocating with my current employer. Purpose of the move it to be closer to the West Territory that I will be working. During the week, time will be spent traveling to the airport and the surrounding states. So being close to the airport might be of some importance but not a requirement.
hi im currently finishing my sophmore year and am wanting to go in the north parts of the us for college mostly because of the nice rainy weather, are there any good places in seattle for college?
One poll says America Loves Seattle :: http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-move-over-new-york-america-loves-seattle-most-20120423,0,7834421.story
Hi there, I’m so glad I stumbled upon this blog! My husband and I have been contemplating a move to Seattle and are planning a visit in a few months. We are Marylanders, born and raised, and currently live in West Virginia. I work in DC, but much prefer the slower pace of life in the suburbs for my kids. We have 4 children under the age of 10. My oldest has Asperger’s Syndrome, an Autism Spectrum Disorder, and I have found in my research that Seattle is one of the best places to live for autism education and resources.
Do you have any recommendations for the best areas for families? I don’t mind commuting, so I don’t have any distance requirements. I am still looking at what job opportunities are available for us there (currently, I’m a fed) and we would plan to rent for a while before buying.
Also, my husband and I will be coming out alone when we visit…do you have any “must-see” recommendations? Thanks so much…this site has already answered so many questions!
We are seriously considering moving to Seattle in the next year for retirement. The constant sun and heat in Tucson can be just as depressing as clouds and rain. After 25 years we are ready for a change. We are young at heart 70 year olds. What community do you think would most suit us? We are looking for safety, easy access to shopping and medical facilities, although we are both healthy, also access to the city where our son will most likely be living. Currently we are looking at property in West Seattle, a community called Wild Creek. Any information about that area?
Thanks.
Donna,
I can’t find a community in West Seattle called Wild Creek. Can you post a link? I see one in Port Orchard. The only retirement community I see on a regular basis is Trilogy in Redmond Ridge. I think there are probably more retirement places in Eastern Washington.
Not an expert on retirement places, but if you are looking to rent vs own there are several rental complex with nice amenities. If you can give us any info on Wild Creek I can check it out for you.
I don’t do rentals, but if you email me at ardelld@gmail.com I can give you some friendly info and answer any questions you may have.
I am a California girl. I was born and raised in the Los Angeles area. I came here because I was married to someone in the military. After I divorced I stayed because I thought it would be better for my kids. I have been here since the 90’s and I still hate the weather. I miss seeing the sun the majority of the year and always getting wet. It is very depressing. I feel like I hybernate during nine months of the year. I go to work, the gym, church etc…, but who wants to go out in the rain? The person that mentioned the Seattle freeze is dead on. People think it is like that in LA, but no. I still have tons of friends there and everytime I am there I get into conversations with new people, I mean anywhere I am, out to eat, grocery store, any public place. It is just a different culture. People here don’t even look at each other, let alone talk. Someone mentioned casual dress (well) I would call it more like stuck in another decade like the 80’s or 90’s. There is no fashion sense out here, which I really miss about LA. There is no good ethnic food. Someone asked about diversity. Yes we have different races here, but it is mainly a “white” place. There are no cool culture things to do here. People are probably wondering why I am still here, well I have a very good job and my grown kids and grandson live here. I visit Cali as often as I can and still hope to one day move back.
Hi everyone,
me and my wife are planning to move to Seattle and start our own business in “interior design” filed. is there any suggestion which place would have better market for that?
I live in Seattle for three long, dreary years. I live in California now.
I love it. Seattle has a good heart, but the weather is an incurable defect.
Hello,
I am a 29 yr old single mother of a 5 yr old boy with ADHD. We currently live in El Paso, Texas and recently wanting to move away. I have lived in many places but my main places is always San Jose, Ca. ( bc of family) and I love it. But recently I’ve decided that it may be too fast paced to raise a child who needs more one on one. Blah blah blah point is I’ve never been to Seattle but I must admit Frasier is the reason it’s always been on my mind. 🙂 silly I know but it’s the truth. I’ve read everything on here and the weather doesn’t bother me neither about the anti social peeps. I am just concerned about making a living there and have the best treatments and help for my son. And I don’t mind if I come across the ying to yang !! Lol
So … Where do y’all recommend a “starter family” to live at ? What’s the 411 ?
Thanks in advanced !
Paula 😉
Well duh it rains and ATL and DC records more rain than Seattle if you want to get your facts right. Of course Mexican food taste better in Cali because Cali is near Mexico. No brainer there and alot of Mexicans go to live in Cali state so yes food is better there but the culture in Seattle is very great and the environment is great. That’s what people should know.
Seattle somewhere is very simple but the many thing are there to consider before that. Like area,real estate and your said in you blog as traffic and food. Yes Mexicon food is nice
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I visited Seattle in Dec 2012. I spent 5 days in this city and my reason for going there was to see the ” sleepless city” in Real and also to taste Star bucks at Pike place. I did fulfil my wishes however, my heart craves to live there in Seattle for long to retire there..but I know I can’t do it as I am a citizen of another country, working in a far away city. But Memories of the pacific and the beauty of this amazing city draws me closer to ..I hope my wish will come true…
I moved here in Sept 2012 , it is now Feb 2013 .. One thing I can warn people about moving here from warmer and dryer climates is to be prepared to be sick , I have been sick 5 times since I got here and usually never get sick. I have had sinus infections 3 times , the flue , Whooping Cough , Bronchitus and now I have strep throat . Especially if you have a kid in day care , since my 3 year old started le petite academy in Redmond it has been aweful , they dont put hand cleanser on the kids they let the kids run around dripping snot everywhere ,, and the people here run around in the freezing rain wearing nothing but shorts and t shirt getting sopping wet and spreading their germs everywhere …
My English 101 teacher got his master at udub. He lived there for about 7 years, after florida, then moved to LA and then came back to Alabama for family reasons. Over the course of the semester he told us things about his life. The seasons of Seattle and the effects the weather can have were one. The rainfall isnt overwhelming, it just kinda of never stops. Its overcast a lot. It DOES cause depression. After seven years he left his teaching career, and many friends, to get a doctorate in LA. He wasnt a recluse or an internet addict.
Studies have shown watching tv at night with the lights off leads to depression vs keeping a light on. Lighting and environment has an impact on your thoughts, moods and well being.
food for thought..
Do you even live in Seattle? I was born and raised here and people assume it rains alot and it doesn’t. There are other places that get more rain. Seattle is a nice place to live and there’s a lot you can do but i suggest talk to someone who knows this city good
thank you so so much, this is brilliant, this is soo helpful, i truly feel this will help me so much, im moving to Seattle for good in 3 months!
Jessica…u luv the weather there? LOL…and then to the long cold grey winters combined to the addicted potheads…ya got a lotta deressed peeps…what comes up…must come down.
Hi. I am a Californian transplant too via Los Angeles (Woodland Hills).
Don’t respond on internet blogs but most aren’t funny really.
What you said about Mexican food was soooo true. Gawd how I used to complain. Then I grew up. Thanks for the laughter.
Sincerely,
Franz
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Do not move here. I have lived here most of my life. The five years I did not live here were admittedly easier to make friends and meet men. The dating scene is very difficult. Hell, making friends is very difficult. If you have a conversation with a man for more than five minutes, somehow he has worked it into his head that you’re in love with him and they scurry away. Making eye contact with any man, let alone having him approach you never happens. The men dress like REI is the only place to buy clothes and even when you do get a date he demands that you pay for half. I would say most of the people in this city walk the streets as if they are going to be mugged by everyone around them. They don’t trust anyone. They don’t hold the door open. They are very unfriendly and DO NOT want to interact with anyone. No matter a city is structured; economically, infrastructure, etc… the PEOPLE make the city. The rain is the least of the problem. The people are the problem. In your first two months you will think everything is wonderful and “charming”, after six months you will wonder why your only social outlet is drinking alcohol or endless cups of coffee.
*There is not many activities for children to do here. There are a few interesting things and after you have done them, doing them again becomes quickly repetitive. It is a very kid un-friendly city.
*The men have no backbones. No matter what other blogs say, the bottom line is: the men have no backbone. There are two kinds of men here: Passive and Passive-Aggressive.
If you do move here stay away from any man who has a tech job or any man who rides a bicycle to…anywhere. Normally bicycle riders would be nice people, the exercise they’re getting should melt away any built up aggression -not true. Those men are mean and nasty and extremely controlling. I am sure someone will comment after me and say…”oh she must have dated and been burned by a horrible bicycle rider”… not true. It’s years of observation. Reading that last bit of advice makes me laugh because it sounds so absurd, but you’d have to live here to know what I’m talking about.
****Whoever you are out there in the country or even, in the world: if you are considering moving to Seattle…. Please just visit. Visit for 3 months. Take a hiatus from your job and check it out for awhile. Do not sell your home/quit your job/do anything permanent in order to move here. I swear this has nothing to do with the increasing population or traffic or rain or cost of living. Those topics are issues in a lot of cities. I am saying this because the people here are really awful. They are cold, distant, detached and unattainable. They are what many would describe as fair-weather friends. This is the lonliest city in the country. Having done a lot of travelling throughout 27 other cities, this city on the surafce is well put together with the skyline and quaintness and mountains… but the people here are some of the unhappiest and secretly evil people I have ever met.I am doing you a huge favor by telling you this. Even though this blog is six years old, I felt the need to post this anyway. If I can save a few, I have done my job. I wish someone had told my parents not to move here when I was a kid. Do not move here.
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Thank you for this. I am trying to embrace Washington. I too am from southern California. Been here for 4 years. Its been a real challenge. There should be a support group for people who are not from here lol
I know this is an old post, but I have to say thank you. I visited Seattle in July 2011 from Memphis, and I hated every minute of the visit. It was cold, rainy and miserable. Pike’s Market was a stupid tourist trap, people were cold and rude (to a southern girl). The ocean is too cold to swim in, even with a wetsuit. Now I live in Colorado. I absolutely love it here and I never want to leave. Unfortunately my husband wants to move to Seattle for a job. I am actually thinking of asking him to commute. I hated Seattle my first visit, I cannot imagine living there full time for any amount of time. I am in a bad spot, and I need some advice about what to do. Also, my children are in high school and relocation will be pretty disruptive, even if we were going somewhere fantastic. Help!
Dont move here if your from California. I have been in depression due to the short summer andllack of stuff to do. Unfortunately I hate it here. Im trying to fall in love. Its hard to when southern California is so much fun and sunny.
I thought I loved rain till I moved here. Now I feel like I only get to live14 days of the year. Thats how many sunny days Washington gets.
I will love it, I been looking for a place like this that rains a lot, I need this and I need to move over there.
I disagree with ya…those good cuple mos…goin on right now…of those humid days w highs in the 80s…and then cold n grey in winter…u hv nuttin inbtwn…but hott n cold nutts…lol…and actually those long cold grey mos. can be vry depressing…what uve got the #3 highest suicide rates? Yikes!!!!
Actually i think yr weather sucks…i dont care how pretty it is…its cold n grey fr 9 mos. outta 12…literally!! And then most of the last 3 mos. w high humidity and highs in the 80’s…they got uttin inbtween…strange.
I have only visited Seattle once but the people were extremely down to earth and friendly. Much less pretentious than people in SF. I have lived in SF for 10 years and it is just getting worse every minute. Part of it is generational and part of it is tech. I don’t have a problem with how people earn a living but everyone blathering on about twitter, their start-up, etc gets so tedious. Develop some real interests! Anything! Talk about something. Read a paper! Please don’t tell me about your start-up. Seattle people were so refreshing in comparison. They know how to just talk about life and events and hobbies in a normal way. I have actual interests that go beyond tech gadgetry obsessions and so SF is really alienating me and my wife.
Seattle was a wonderful city until all the rich outsiders moved there and ruined it ..just likePortland…I’m so sick of Californians go BACK!!!
It doesn’t rain that much. Not enough for my tastes. People here bitch about the “rain” but then it’s sunny and hot and they bitch about that. I would rather have cool refreshing rain than hot scortching intrusive sun!
I totally agree. After living in Tucson for 30 years I have had enough sunshine; completely clear skies and white hot heat can be as oppressive as rain and clouds. We are ready for a change but after searching for over a year on line we have found it impossible to find a single level house in a good neighborhood in our price range, nothing over $400,000.00. I don’t want to live in an ugly house in a beautiful city. Can’t we have both? What do you know about Gig Harbor?
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Seattle is my dream since I was seven. I remember our family spent a great week there and I was so in love with this city, that decided I’ll live there when I grow up. Well, I’m moving to Seattle in two months and I’m very excited. Your article was nice to read. Thanks for sharing!
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I hear y’all talking about Seattle being a safe place to leave but I know of two notorious serial killer’s that used Seattle as their hunting grounds; Ted Bundy and Gary Ridgeway. Just saying.
I have lived here for 25 years and Seattle is hardly racially diverse it is a very white place, for a city this is white here, there is not enough cultural diversity here. It does rain all the time I haven’t seen the sun except twice in the last 2 weeks, We like it! Our streets are hard to navigate so take a bus if you are going to contribute to our onslaught of very bad drivers. There are many fun things to do here and people often do wear shorts in the winter and no one worries about the rain, it just goes with the territory- if you don’t love rain don’t move here, people do not know much about Seattle if they say it does not rain, I think global warming slowed down some rains, but now its back full force. It is very expensive to live here, and all the cool spots are getting gentrified to sickening newness! My fave pinball bar Shortys in Belltown, Mama’s too, all getting torn down, Queen Anne, very snotty, I live here and therefore can tell you, people are so self absorbed taking selfies while driving, always on a phone, we have all the tech here and everyone uses it as opposed to having social graces. They drive terrible here, so busses are best! Sorry to disillusion anyone I just want to be honest with you, and Seattle is becoming more generic everyday from all these companies moving in and buying property and making neighborhoods gentrify! I miss the old Seattle so much, but what can you do? I do love this city even w all the draw backs but that may be because I have gotten used to it, and I take a bus!
I couldn’t see how to edit, but I will say this is a great place to raise kids lots of things for kids and dogs, everyone has a dog! Just be ready for snobby in the city, people get nicer the further out of the city you go, and the rents get much more affordable too,
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If I made a Seattle Top 10 list, the first thing I would write is CLEAN AIR. When I moved here in 2014 from California, I suddenly had no more allergies!!! What a relief. This was an unexpected surprise.
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I’m relocating here from Cali. It’s ten years since your post . I see red fin hasn’t had any success with renaming. Any pointers where I should live? Will be working at Seatac.
Actually the statement under #7 is false. It takes about 6 hrs to get to Mexico City (that’s deep down Mexico) and takes about 13 hrs to get to Hong Kong????. Google before creating a bling and sounding irrelevant ????
Lived here for almost 7 years. Living in Bellevue(Seattle) seemed okay for a while. My personal issue was the weather and the people. The rain and darkness gets to you after suffering a few years.. and I was lured to this dreadful place due to a high paycheck by one of the best companies to work in the states.
It turned out to be one of the worst company with ignorant selfish prcks who only cared for themselves.
The comments of how weird the people are on the forums is definitely true with no eye contact and the Seattle freeze also exists in every company.
Most of the time I try to forget how bad it is by getting drunk often.
it works a few years till you doctor(who also is an ahole who is only pretends he cares since you have insurance) says you gotta stop drinking.
We are planning to GTFO this place leaving a high paycheck behind and will be willing to move down to San diego or Cali but no more Seattle.
For those who can stand these idiotic childish adults at work who try to bully you and play the ‘high school popularity game’ for a compensation review, it might be a good place for you who wants to (expletive deleted) so hard that your eyes will pop out and will be blind enough to see what a GENUINE person might be.
Awesome! Unfortunately I’m going to retire and move to yes California and I’m going to miss the rain and everything else here but my kids refuse to move back here what do you do
Isaac, another great resource to use if you’re looking for jobs is https://www.ziprecruiter.com/
You can specify you’re looking in the Seattle area as well.
Good to know.
I almost moved to Seattle 25 years ago. Tried to get a job transfer. No luck, it was not meant to be I guess.
I’m from Missouri the one thing I noticed was no screens on the windows in restaurants. No flies any place I went, not even in the open fish marketplace.
Thanks for your input. GREAT!