Sunday Night Stats – 5 Year Hold

Many people are asking, “What do you think will happen if I buy now and hold for five years?” 

You may be surprised to see that this “bubble” is not nearly as big as the 3 five year periods from 1973 to 1988.  1973 to 1978 is the highest appreciation period. The lowest appreciation period is the five years that followed those dramatic increases for 15 years, and still not showing a loss for any five year period going back from third quarter 2008.

Five Year Price Changes based on U.S. 3rd Quarter average prices of homes sold.

Sold in 2008 at $283,400; bought in 2003 for $248,100 – UP 14.2%

Sold in 2003 at $248,199; bought in 1998 for $184,300 – UP  34.6%

Sold in 1998 at $184,300; bought in 1993 for $148,000 – UP  24.5%

Sold in 1993 at $148,000; bought in 1988 for $141,500 – UP  4.6%

Sold in 1988 at $141,500; bought in 1983 for $ 92,500 – UP  52.9%

Sold in 1983 at $ 92,500; bought in 1978 for $ 63,500 – UP  45.6%

Sold in 1978 at $ 63,500; bought in 1973 for $ 35,900 – UP  76.8%

Sold in 1973 at $ 35,900; bought in 1968 for $ 26,600 – UP  34.9%

Sold in 1968 at $ 26,600; bought in 1963 for $ 19,200 – UP  38.5%

Note: U.S. Peak Price to date 1st Quarter of 2007

Sold 1Q 2007 at $322,100; bought 1Q 2002 for $227,600 – UP 41.5%

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Sunday Night Stats – Days on Market DO Matter

I have to admit that it is hard to think about anything but tomorrow’s election.  It’s an historic occassion, to say the least.  Especially for those of us who grew up in the turbulent 60’s, and have been around from when President Kennedy was killed to present.  I can’t help but feel that tomorrow “is the first day of the rest of our lives” in a profound and meaningful way.

Next Sunday will be the first opportunity to capture a snapshot of October 2008 as to closed transactions.  Last week I reported that October pending sales that will close in November are obviously down in price, and fairly substantially down, from 3rd quarter sales.

This week I’ve been trying to answer the question “Where are prices?”.  Are they back to early 2006 levels?  Are they back to mid-2005 levels?  The answer is both, and days on market is what separates the two.  When comparing apples to apples and studying data within small segments of each market, virtually no sales are selling at peak levels, peak being summer of 2007.  Those that sell in 20 days or less are selling at mid 2006 to early 2006 levels.  Those that remain on market for 40 or more days are selling at mid 2005 levels.  Those that try to sell at 2007 levels, end up at 2005 levels.  If they had started at 2006 price level, they would have sold more quickly and at a higher price.

There’s really no message to anyone in this post.  Just reporting the facts.  Buyers who buy something as soon as it hits the market, will still do that, and rightly so.  Sellers who ask more than the last property sold for will still do that, because they need the market to beat them down.  Most people can’t sell for less than the neighbor by voluntarily electing to do that.  They have to be on market for 100 days or more before they “give in”, which costs them about 5% on price.  Still, that’s human nature for most people.

New construction is more attractive than it has been for a long time, short sales are still the best values, and best homes in the best locations still sell quickly at the highest prices.  No big news there.  Once we get to early 2005 pricings, the wait will be over.  Why?  Because the prices in 2004 and 2003 and 2002 are not substantially different from one another.  Once prices roll back to January 2005 levels, we will be “at bottom” here in the Seattle Area, unless you think prices will get to 1998 levels.

So for all of the people waiting for “bottom”…your wait is about over.  Now you just have to figure out how to finance those “at bottom” prices, and interest rates will be the obstacle vs. fear of overpaying.

Now let’s all focus on the election tomorrow.  It’s an historic event.  Don’t miss it.  Vote and vote early.

Sunday Night Stats – Prices Dropping

Recent King County pending sales continue to dip in price.  There seem to be more bargains in the single family home market than the condo market overall.  But that is starting to change.

In the condo market, of the 628 condo sales pending, only 283 have gone pending since the 1st of October, and the asking prices on those were 3.7% lower than the pending sales from before October 1st.  Considering that condo prices for the 3rd Quarter were only down 7.2% YOY, a 3.7% dip in prices is significant and should bring condo prices down to more than 10% lower YOY by year end.  We’ll have to wait and see where they close out.  Those that have closed so far in October have actually closed at higher prices than the 3rd Quarter, so we may not see the full impact of lower prices until the end of the 4th Quarter in condos. 

In the Residential market, 957 of the 1,893 pending sales went pending since October 1, so less of a backlog on a % basis than in the condo market.  The prices of the recent pendings is only down by a hair, compared to pendings from before October 1.  But pending prices overall and closed prices in October to date are down almost 10% compared to the 3rd Quarter and almost 20% YOY. 

If you are hanging in for the perfect house, you may have to wait until Spring of 2009.  But if you’re looking for an opportunity to buy based on bargain prices, the last quarter has a lot to offer.  Remember, for every bargain priced property SOLD there are 5 or more overpriced properties. So far in October it looks like buyers are choosing wisely and getting some real deals.  But you have to know what you are doing out there.

Kind of like going to a huge shoe sale and picking out the Prada’s from the Payless overstock.

As always, stats are not compiled, verified or posted by NWMLS. (required disclosure – it’s also required that I say that in bold letters, for those who’ve been wondering.)

Sunday Night Stats

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Last week when everyone was talking about median price being down in August, it seemed to me that median prices is generally down in August…or at least flat.  The graph shows the relationship in median price for 2005 through present from June through year end.  It may give you an idea of what to expect to happen to prices for the balance of 2008. I also find the nexus points fascinating and the 2005 vs the three years following to be very interesting.  Hope you do as well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As usual, I calculated these myself.  We expect the YOY volume paths to cross eventually.  But I doubt that is going to happen this year.  The spread will become narrower beginning at the end of September.  But there will still be a spread, I think.

For these grapsh I combined condos with SFR because over this 4 year period, tracking what buyers are doing is more important than whether they chose a condo or a single family residence. 

During this period we saw many choosing condos vs. SFR because they could not afford SFR.  Now we are seeing the reverse with SFR prices getting lower than townhome prices.  That is putting pressure on townhomes to be cheaper to compete with the single family home market.  During swings from condo to SFR and vice versa, it is best to combine them to see total buyer activity and trends.

Required Disclosre: Data not compiled, posted or verified by NWMLS

Sunday Night Stats – King County

We’re just past the halfway point on the third quarter, and condo prices are getting much lower.  Unless we see a major change in the next 5 to 6 weeks, the MPPSF is showing down over 11% from peak At $274 vs. $311.  Not a big surprise, as pending stats have been low, so it was only a matter of time before those low numbers in pending status started showing up in the closed sales.  Still I wouldn’t be surprised if they bounce up a little by the end of the 3rd Quarter.

Inventory is getting pretty darned flat.  For condos the number of properties for sale hasn’t changed much since May.  3rd week of August – 4,082, July 3,958, June 4,049, May 3,953.  Pretty much flat for four months in a row.

I’m not even going to talk about pending sales as there is so much junk stuck in there and not closing.  For now I’m not counting anything until it actually closes.

King County Condos

2004 – 1Q – 1,694 – $188, 2Q 2,636 – $199, 3Q 2,540 – $196, 4Q 2,176 – $195

2005 – 1Q – 2,066 – $198, 2Q 2,925 – $209, 3Q 2,769 – $226, 4Q 2,266 – $224

2006 – 1Q – 1,956 – $242, 2Q 2.748 – $252, 3Q 2,737 – $269, 4Q 2,217 – $278

2007 – 1Q – 2,042 – $295, 2Q 2,862 – $302, 3Q 2,676 – $311, 4Q 1,618 – $294

2008 – 1Q – 1,258 – $299, 2Q 1,535 – $287, 3Q to date 685 – $274

Residential properties seem to be holding on to value a little better than condos, but still showing more weakness now than they have since late last year.  MPPSF is only down 5% – 6% from the peak of $230 to current numbers of $217, and we may not see much of a change in those numbers by the end of the 3rd quarter.

Inventory in the single family markets has flattened out a bit, but only in the last 30 days or so.  Some of that is being caused by people renting instead of selling or pulling their properties off market to wait for next Spring.

Residential King county

2004 – 1Q 5,650 – $152, 2Q 9,237 – $160, 3Q 8.737 – $163, 4Q 7,467 – $165

2005 – 1Q 6,402 – $173, 2Q 9,093 – $185, 3Q 9,131 – $192, 4Q 7,301 – $195

2006 – 1Q 5,596 – $201, 2Q 8,248 – $214, 3Q 7,771 – $216, 4Q 6,204 – $217

2007 – 1Q 5,304 – $222, 2Q 7,393 – $230, 3Q 7,944 – $229, 4Q 4,301 – $221

2008 – 1Q 3,640 – $219, 2Q 4,676 – $220, 3Q to date 2,366 – $217

Stats not compiled or published by NWMLS. (Required disclosure)

As is true most years, the prices will start to be better for buyers from now through year end.  In the hot markets of the past few years, that only meant that appreciation would slow down.  But this year and last year, the prices just kept getting better and better…for buyers that is.  If you can wait a year or two, I think prices will be even lower.  But if you plan to buy in the next 6-9 months…the next 3 may be better than waiting just a few months longer.

Sunday Night Stats – King County

Of course Monday is the last day of the 2nd Quarter and the 1st Half of 2008.  Exciting stuff!  But that will be next week’s news.

Tonight, since 6/29 will be kind of boring weekly stuff, I tracked of few of the top listing machines to see how their volume has changed.  Can’t tell you who they are, but remember, when volume is down some of these big teams have to split with several people.  So expect to see some cutting down on staff given the change in the market.

The worst was down to 9 sales in the 2nd quarter of 08, from a high of 25 quarterly sales.  Another down from 28 to 12.  Another down to 11 from a high of 27.  Average price down from $1.7M to $1.3M.  Another down from $2M to $1.5M.  One is carrying 60 listings…with only a 25% turn rate.  That’s a lot of marketing costs for homes not selling.  Another is carrying 55 listings with a 20% sold rate.  Another dependent primarily on builders for inventory is down to more than 50% fewer listings with volume sold off 50% below that.

Now for this weeks stats.  The chart from last week has been updated as to 2Q08, but all the data is not yet in. Remember, last day of month can be a heavy closing day, and many won’t post those for several days.  The holiday weekend could cause further posting delays next week.

Watch those condo stats…they will play a role in residential stats in coming quarters.  Residential will lag as to how the condo market ultimately impacts the single family home sales.  Look at the difference in volume on the condos 1Q08 vs 2Q08 compared to the spread on those two quarters in previous years.  And of course the price dip is fairly dramatic there. 

What will be interesting is when we get to monthly YOY volume stats come August and September, when we are comparing this year to the part of last year that was already reduced as to volume.

King Couny Condos

2004 – 1Q – 1,694 – $188, 2Q 2,636 – $199, 3Q 2,540 – $196, 4Q 2,176 – $195

2005 – 1Q – 2,066 – $198, 2Q 2,925 – $209, 3Q 2,769 – $226, 4Q 2,266 – $224

2006 – 1Q – 1,956 – $242, 2Q 2.748 – $252, 3Q 2,737 – $269, 4Q 2,217 – $278

2007 – 1Q – 2,042 – $295, 2Q 2,862 – $302, 3Q 2,676 – $311, 4Q 1,618 – $294

2008 – 1Q – 1,258 – $299, 2Q 1,384 – $288 (2Q incomplete data – postings as of 6/29/08)

Changes in condo stats for this week

Active Listings: 4,047 – DOWN 2- median price $320,000 – MPPSF  asking $316 – DOM 61

In Escrow:  913 –  DOWN 16 – median asking price $295,000  – MPPSF asking $294  – DOM – 51

Sold YTD :  2,645 – UP 141 – median list price $294,950 – median sold price  $289,000 – median PPSF – $294 DOM 48

Residential King county

2004 – 1Q 5,650 – $152, 2Q 9,237 – $160, 3Q 8.737 – $163, 4Q 7,467 – $165

2005 – 1Q 6,402 – $173, 2Q 9,093 – $185, 3Q 9,131 – $192, 4Q 7,301 – $195

2006 – 1Q 5,596 – $201, 2Q 8,248 – $214, 3Q 7,771 – $216, 4Q 6,204 – $217

2007 – 1Q 5,304 – $222, 2Q 7,393 – $230, 3Q 7,944 – $229, 4Q 4,301 – $221

2008 – 1Q 3,640 – $219, 2Q 4,266 – $220 (2Q incomplete data – postings as of 6/29/08)

Changes in residential stats for this week

In Escrow: 2,863 – DOWN 68 – median asking price $442,400 – DOM 47 – MPPSF $211

SOLD YTD: 7,908-  UP 419- median asking $449,950 – median sold price $440,000- DOM 49 – MPPSF $219

Actively for sale 12,187 – UP 192- MPPSF <$800,000 is $220- MPPSF >$800,000 is $337

Stats not compiled or published by NWMLS. (Required disclosure) 

Sunday Night Stats – Prices Down

Asking prices of property coming on market continue to inch up, even as prices of property going into escrow and closing continues to inch down. 

As to prices, so far condos are down 6.7% from peak pricing;  Residential is down 4.8% from peak and residential “in escrow” down 6.5% from peak pricing.  (I am showing the peak price in bold in the charts below for easy comparison)

So far it looks like this will be the first quarter in a very long time where the median price per square foot is trending downward in the condo market, and flat at best in the residential market.  Considering that the 2nd quarter has exceeded the 1st quarter as to price in recent years, this is significant news.  We have another 8 days in the month, but look at the volume and prices in the charts below.

I’m going to continue to keep a running total of YOY.  Last week I went all the way back to 2000.  In future weeks I will continue to post 2004 to present so we can see where volume peaked, and track pricing to see how the volume changes are slowly impacting prices, and how these prices compare to previous quarters.

If you read the colums down instead of left to right, it should make a little more sense to you.  We will see a lot of changes in the 2nd quarter starts in the next couple of weeks.  But given the weekly stats are continuing to show weak numbers as to median price per square foot as to properties “in escrow”, I don’t think we are going to see the expansion we are used to between the 1st and 2nd quarters as to volume (no surprise) OR price.  I’ll post and compare the percentages when all of the results are in for the month of June.

King Couny Condos

2004 – 1Q – 1,694 – $188, 2Q 2,636 – $199, 3Q 2,540 – $196, 4Q 2,176 – $195

2005 – 1Q – 2,066 – $198, 2Q 2,925 – $209, 3Q 2,769 – $226, 4Q 2,266 – $224

2006 – 1Q – 1,956 – $242, 2Q 2.748 – $252, 3Q 2,737 – $269, 4Q 2,217 – $278

2007 – 1Q – 2,042 – $295, 2Q 2,862 – $302, 3Q 2,676 – $311, 4Q 1,618 – $294

2008 – 1Q – 1,258 – $299, 2Q 1,244 – $290 (2Q incomplete data – postings as of 6/22/08)

Changes in condo stats for this week

Active Listings: 4,049 – UP 85 – median price $324,950 – MPPSF  asking $321 – DOM 60

In Escrow:  929 –  DOWN 17 – median price $289,000  – MPPSF asking $286  – DOM – 50

Sold YTD :  2,504 – UP 120 – median list price $295,000 – median sold price  $289,950 – median PPSF – $295 DOM 48

Residential King county

2004 – 1Q 5,650 – $152, 2Q 9,237 – $160, 3Q 8.737 – $163, 4Q 7,467 – $165

2005 – 1Q 6,402 – $173, 2Q 9,093 – $185, 3Q 9,131 – $192, 4Q 7,301 – $195

2006 – 1Q 5,596 – $201, 2Q 8,248 – $214, 3Q 7,771 – $216, 4Q 6,204 – $217

2007 – 1Q 5,304 – $222, 2Q 7,393 – $230, 3Q 7,944 – $229, 4Q 4,301 – $221

2008 – 1Q 3,640 – $219, 2Q 3,846 – $219 (2Q incomplete data – postings as of 6/22/08)

Changes in residential stats for this week

In Escrow: 2,931 – DOWN 56 – median asking price $449,000 – DOM 47 – MPPSF $215

SOLD YTD: 7,489 –  UP 377 – median sold price $440,000- DOM 49 – MPPSF $219

Actively for sale 11,995 – UP 178 – MPPSF <$800,000 is $220- MPPSF >$800,000 is $337

Stats not compiled or published by NWMLS. (Required disclosure) 

Remember, the in escrow MPPSF is lower and those are ASKING prices, not sold prices.  Sold prices have been running about $10,000 less than asking prices in both the single family and condo markets.

Sunday Night Stats – King County

I’ve been reporting the change in volume and MPPSF.  But let’s go back a bit so you can see the change from an historical perspective, and also help put things into focus as we move forward from here.  By seeing how we have gotten to where we are, you can better determine if what is happening currently and in the future is “normal” for that time of year, or a change from the normal relationships of quantity and price from quarter to quarter.

Format is Year, Quarter, number of units sold and median price per square foot.

King County Condos

2000 – 1Q x,xxx – $xxx, 2Q 1,574  – $154, 3Q 1,725 – $157, 4Q 1,491 – $162

2001 – 1Q 1,444 – $163, 2Q 1,770 – $165, 3Q 1,816 – $174, 4Q 1,380 – $166

2002 – 1Q 1,464 – $168, 2Q 1,885 – $172, 3Q 1,885 – $172, 4Q 1,642 – $173

2003 – 1Q 1,518 – $168, 2Q 2,011 – $179, 3Q 2,338 – $184, 4Q 1,911 – $183

2004 – 1Q 1,694 – $188, 2Q 2,636 – $199, 3Q 2,540 – $196, 4Q 2,176 – $195

2005 – 1Q 2,066 – $198, 2Q 2,925 – $209, 3Q 2,769 – $226, 4Q 2,266 – $224

2006 – 1Q 1,956 – $242, 2Q 2.748 – $252, 3Q 2,737 – $269, 4Q 2,217 – $278

2007 – 1Q 2,042 – $295, 2Q 2,862 – $302, 3Q 2,676 – $311, 4Q 1,618 – $294

2008 – 1Q 1,258 – $299, 2Q 1,126 – $288 (2Q incomplete data – postings as of 6/16/08)

King Couny Condos

Active Listings: 3,964 – DOWN 22 – median price $325,000 – MPPSF  asking $320 – DOM 60

In Escrow:  946 –  UP 8 – median price $288,250  – MPPSF asking $288  – DOM – 50

Sold YTD :  2,384 – UP 97 – median list price $294,950 – median sold price  $289,000 – median PPSF – $294 DOM 48

King County Residential 

2000 – 1Q x,xxx – $xxx, 2Q 6,111 – $130, 3Q 5,994 – $127, 4Q 5,248 – $128 

2001 – 1Q 4,662 – $131, 2Q 6,336 – $135, 3Q 6,454 – $133, 4Q 4,963 – $131

2002 – 1Q 4,964 – $134, 2Q 6,740 – $140, 3Q 6,320 – $140, 4Q 5,897 – $138

2003 – 1Q 5,479 – $141, 2Q 7,783 – $143, 3Q 8,683 – $148, 4Q 6,859 – $147

2004 – 1Q 5,650 – $152, 2Q 9,237 – $160, 3Q 8.737 – $163, 4Q 7,467 – $165

2005 – 1Q 6,402 – $173, 2Q 9,093 – $185, 3Q 9,131 – $192, 4Q 7,301 – $195

2006 – 1Q 5,596 – $201, 2Q 8,248 – $214, 3Q 7,771 – $216, 4Q 6,204 – $217

2007 – 1Q 5,304 – $222, 2Q 7,393 – $230, 3Q 7,944 – $229, 4Q 4,301 – $221

2008 – 1Q 3,640 – $219, 2Q 3,471- $220 (2Q incomplete data – postings as of 6/16/08)

Residential King county

In Escrow: 2,987 – UP 80 – median asking price $448,900 – DOM 46 – MPPSF $213

SOLD YTD: 7,112 –  UP 306 – median sold price $439,900- DOM 49 – MPPSF $220

Actively for sale 11,817- UP 64 – MPPSF <$800,000 is $220- MPPSF >$800,000 is $337

Stats not compiled or published by NWMLS. (Required disclosure) 

Sunday Night Stats – Regular Weekly Post

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In the post below this one I varied from the normal format.  Posting this one for readers who are keeping the weekly data on an excel spreadsheet.

King Couny Condos

Active Listings: 3,942 – UP 31 – median price $323,000 – MPPSF $318 – DOM 61

In Escrow: 938 – DOWN 6 – median price $299,900 – MPPSF $299 – DOM 52

Sold YTD : 2,287 – UP 146- median list price $289,950 – median sold price $285,000 – median PPSF $291 – DOM 48

King County Residential

In Escrow: 2,907 – UP 28 – median asking price $445,000 – DOM 46 – MPPSF $211

SOLD YTD: 6,806 –  UP 259 – median sold price $440,000 – DOM 49 – MPPSF $220

Actively for sale 11,753- UP 141 – MPPSF <$800,000 is $219.50 – MPPSF >$800,000 is $337.50

Stats not compiled or published by NWMLS. (Required disclosure)

 

Sunday Night Stats

Not a huge movement, but fewer condos for sale, meaning they are selling a bit faster than they are coming on market, for a change.  Fewer in escrow than last week, but that’s normal for the last week in the month as more escrows close out in that week.  Won’t be doing true month end stats until next week, as there will be end of month closings posting during this week.

King County Condos

Active Listings: 3,911 DOWN 42 – median price $324,999 – MPPSF $320 – DOM 59

In Escrow: 944 – DOWN 28 – median price $299,925 – MPPSF $300 – DOM 51

Sold YTD : 2141 – UP 127- median list price $289,950 – median sold price $285,000 – median PPSF $290 – DOM 47

I did a quick check on May closings.  While all are not posted, May sales prices were up both as to median price and MPPSF at $290,000 and $293.  Likely won’t take the YTD numbers up much, but one would expect “high season” sales to be a bit more as to price than 1st quarter sales…and they are.  I’m putting one on at $273 per square foot in Issaquah this week, hoping for shorter days on market than the King County median of 47.

King County Residential

Single family homes are not selling at a higher rate than they are coming on market as the condos are.  I would expect to see that change in June and July.  The number in escrow is down, but again that is because more move from in escrow to closed in the last week of a month, than in other weeks.

In Escrow: 2,879 – DOWN 54 – median asking price $448,950 – DOM 45 – MPPSF $212

SOLD YTD: 6,547 –  UP 380 – median sold price $440,000 – DOM 50 – MPPSF $221

May sale prices are up at $447,000, but no change for MPPSF

I do the Actives last for Residential, as I can’t run stats when volume is over 10,000 units

Actively for sale 11,612- UP 33 – MPPSF <$800,000 is $220 – MPPSF >$800,000 is $339

If distressed properties start selling more and more outside of the mls and less and less via the mls, we will have to check these numbers against the tax record data.  In fact it will be a good idea at the end of June to compare the first two quarters mls figures with County Stats.

I’m still seeing multiple offers on the best properties.  People expecting the best properties in the best areas to sell at bargain prices are disappointed.  It’s not that kind of buyer’s market.  It’s not really a buyer’s market at all…it’s just not a seller’s market. Distressed properties ARE a bargain, but not the best homes in the best areas.  The date for that to change is usually around October 15th.

Stats not compiled or published by NWMLS. (Required disclosure)