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Is it possible we are at the bottom?

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***Updated/Revised 4:30pm 02/08/2009 PST:  Here is the link to the “Memorandum” (.pdf document) showing how this mortgage broker, in his own words, fraudulently originated millions in loans and how the fallout will plague our economy.  Big thanks goes to blogger “Scotsman” for the getting the document to me.

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This is how is it possible………..we may not be at the bottom.

Ardell, I share your hope.   My hope for change is that real estate and lending industry comes to grips with how out of control the core players were that led us to the crisis we are in.   If we all point incriminating fingers to other people in our industry from escrow people to mortgage brokers to agents to Wall Street, pretty soon there’s nobody else to point to.  It circles back to all the players who participated.  Too simple of an explanation of a complex problem?  Maybe.  But, it’s fix has got to start with people in the trenches who are transacting the sales and arranging the financing.

But my hope and Country fight an uphill battle because of people such as Christopher Warren, the mortgage fraudster who wrote the above missive, “how is it possible”. Christopher Warren skipped out of the country on a private plane this past Monday.

See his incredibly clear picture of what is facing our markets by his “memorandum.” (.pdf document).

If one man’s expose of what went on in lending by one person does not make you pale, then I don’t know what will.

An excerpt from Christopher Warren’s  “how it is possible:”

  • That CITI Mortgage didn’t catch correspondents Mortgage Bank of California and Bondcorp Realty Services over-financing over $30,000,000 in bad mortgages with cash-back purchases for straw buyer groups?   How many of these loans are already now owned by our government, tax-payer subsidized, FNMA and Freddie Mac?
  • That GMAC Mortgage LLC., bought over $3,000,000 in mortgages secured in the Orlando Academy Cay Club aka “The Greens

Should builders and banks receive an excise tax exemption as WA State faces a budget deficit?

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House Bill 1495 has been introduced into the legislature and is now in committee.  In these times filled with hope, I am hoping this bill dies or at least comes out looking substantially different.  Let’s take a look.

AN ACT Relating to real estate excise tax exemptions to stabilize neighborhoods…

BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF WASHINGTON:
The legislature finds that there is a substantial inventory of unsold or foreclosed vacant homes on the market that is driving property values down and destabilizing neighborhoods. These homes also present an opportunity to provide affordable homes to low-income families, addressing some of the unmet need for affordable housing in the state of Washington. The legislature also finds that providing targeted incentives to housing developers will stimulate the sale of these vacant homes to low-income buyers now and stabilize neighborhoods affected by this growing inventory. The legislature intends to provide such incentives through excise tax relief on sales of homes to low-income first-time homebuyers.

I’ve been asking Realtors in all my classes to begin watching the percentage of financially distressed sellers with homes for sale in their market area.  Agents can do an MLS keyword search using terms such as “short sale,

It's Official: New Conventional Guidelines for Ordering Appraisals

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Fannie and Freddie have finally announced (I’m sure to no one’s surprise) the acceptance of OFHEO’s Home Valuation Code of Conduct which bans communication between a loan originator/mortgage broker and the appraiser for conventional 1-4 single-unit family homes.   Appraisals must be ordered through a third party clearing-house of sorts.   I picture this being similar to ordering a VA appraisal, which is not a pleasant process.  

Here’s an example from the Home Valuation Code of Conduct of what will no longer be allowed:

  • requesting that an appraiser provide an estimated…valuation in an appraisal report prior to the completion of the appraisal report or requesting that an appraiser provide estimated values any any time….
  • providing to an appraiser an…estimated…value for a subject property or a proposed or target amount to be loaned to the borrower, except for a copy of purchase and sale agreement.
  • ordering…a second appraisal…in connection with a mortgage financing transaction unless there is reasonable basis to believe the initial appraisal was flawed….

Lack of competition is generally bad for the consumer.  And I see this slowing the process down and possible increasing costs…where is the incentive to be effecient or competitive?  Who will pay the third party clearing house?

This is technincally effective on May 1, 2009; however, lenders are all ready implementing the new code.   This is still very new and we’ll have to see in the weeks ahead how this all works out.

Lending Woes: A Deeper Consumer Analysis

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This may seem like an odd analogy, but I remember this story about my Mom when she was having her 7th baby.  She was in “a ward” with only curtains drawn around each bed.  She overheard some people telling the lady in the bed next to her that she should have “her tubes tied”.  They were explaining the procedure to her.  My Mom jumped out of bed, ripped open the curtain of the woman next to her and yelled  “I want one of those!!!”  The people were embarassed and said, “I’m sorry but we’re only allowed to offer these to single women on welfare having their third child.  You weren’t supposed to hear that.”

Yes…I’m suggesting that to some extent The Information Age is in part responsible for the Subprime Crisis.   Subprime loans did not come into being in late 2003.  2003 is the year more people said “I want one of those!!!”

Couple that with the fact that the World as it IS has come to the conclusion that spinning words (like Death Tax vs. Estate Tax) is a persuasion tool. We used to say, “You can’t get a good loan, but we can find you a BAD loan, if that’s what you want.”  Most people said, “No, thank you…we’ll wait.”  Loans had letters that were easy to understand.  A Paper  = most lenders.  B through D Paper was a different lender for buyers with one or a few correctable issues over the short term.  Z Paper was basically the Mob with a license to lend.

People understood the alphabet, and they knew that a C-Mortgage was not as good as an A-Mortgage.  Life was more Transparent back then.  The need for Transparency today is largely due to the fact that professionals hide truth behind more persuasive language.  Don’t get me started on Listing Agent vs. Agent for the Seller.  Everytime I hear a buyer say “The listing agent was MY agent, looking out for me (and I heard it twice in the last 4 days) I want to scream. How the heck can you believe that “the agent for the seller” is looking out for you, the buyer? Maybe because they use the words “listing agent” for that reason. But that’s a different, though related, subject.

Couple that with small businesses (who only offered Sub-Prime loans) getting gobbled up by larger “one stop shops”.  All of a sudden the lender could give you an A Paper loan or a C Paper loan without a loan denial in between. When there was a loan denial in between, the buyer had a legal out with the Finance Contingency.  When the approval came…but it was for “a bad loan”, the buyer was locked into the transaction with no legal out.

Couple that with Real Estate Agents only caring if the buyer could get a loan, period…without caring on what basis.  Couple all of THAT with the fact that many Finance Contingencies did not give a buyer “a legal out” if they could not get a conservative “A Paper” loan, but could qualify for a SubPrime loan.

There are many factors that contributed to this mess.  Perhaps a fuller understanding of how the world changing in many and small ways led do the catostrophic consequence, will help all people who played a small part in the Country’s demise, change their small part in The Crime of the Decade.  In the end it was mostly No victims; no villains, just a lot of small tweaks and changes that snowballed into a Crisis Situation.

Let’s go back to the world as it was for a minute. 

1) Conventional Loan = 20% downpayment, 28% of gross income for housing payment, 36% of gross income for total recurring debt including the housing payment.  An 8% spread for debt payments.  If debt payments equalled 10%, then the housing portion was reduced to 26%.  There were no Credit Scores.  All credit issues were underwritten by hand and each and every negative item was explained by the buyer, in writing.  A separate letter for each negative item.

2) FHA Loan = slightly more lenient terms and dramatically reduced downpayment requirement.  The biggest reason to use FHA vs. Convential being the downpayment requirement, not the looser standards as to ratio and credit issues.  Almost no downpayment – 3% vs. 20% at the time. 

The first change was a long time ago! It started as a quiet whisper, like the people talking behind the curtain in the next bed from my Mom.  Some people were getting loans with only 5% downpayment, conventional.  When I started in real estate in 1990, most people’s perception was that they needed 20% downpayment or FHA.  Few knew that they could get a 5% down conventional.

The beginning of all of these problems goes all the way back to there.  Conventional lending guidelines made FHA less desirable.  The primary purpose of FHA was low downpayment…no longer a big spread between the two.

THEN in the early 90s, the lenders started stretching ratios from 28% to 33% of gross income on “the front end”  BUT the back end was only stretched to 38%, at first.  Stretched ratios entered the scene ONLY for people with little or no debt payments (just like tubal ligations being only for single women on welfare).  It had a stated and targeted “appropriate” audience.

When cars started costing more, lenders had to start figuring out a way for people to buy a house who already owned a car.  In many cases in the early nineties (before car leasing became popular, and probably why car leasing became popular) most young couples who each owned a car, could not buy a house.  The two car payments sucked up their whole back end ratio and subtracted from their front end ratio.  “I thought we could get a mortgage for 28% of our gross income or 33% of our gross income?”  “Well, yes…but the combined value of your two new cars is almost as much as the house you are trying to purchase!”

Everyone agreed that people needed both cars and houses…so ratios grew and grew and grew.  So, Sniglet, the changes in FHA are NOT fascinating at all. In fact FHA hasn’t changed all that much.  What’s happening is that lending standards on the Conventional side are creeping back to “The Way We Were”, putting the spotlight back on FHA, which is closer to the way IT was IF you cut out “automated” approvals.

Before you even think about buying a house, get your “other debt” issues down to no more than 10% of your gross income.  If you make $45,000 a year and your wife makes $25,000 a year, and you each have a car with a $400 monthly payment, you are spending 14% of your gross income on car payments!

Of course this Rise and Fall story would clearly fill a book.  But until everyone understands that a bailout or bandaid in ONE area only (or two) is not going to fix what ails this Country, we cannot have HOPE…and HOPE is what we need more than bailouts and fixes.

As I said in one of my previous posts: “2009 will not be a year of great change.  It will be a year of Great Hope for Change, one small step at a time, via you and me acting the best we can in each moment.”  Falsely creating hope with “Talking Points” and “Good News” articles is NOT the solution.  Expecting any one source to be the Messiah, is NOT the solution.  Every single person doing their part to improve the situation…is the only long term solution.  That means YOU!

Stop looking for someone else to come up with an answer.  Get out your teacup, and start emptying out your own little piece of the ocean.

I kissed a girl once. I was almost 50 years old and was in the middle of a divorce from a 20 year marriage.  I just wanted to make sure before I started over again, that I wasn’t starting out on a faulty premise that had been “fed” to me.  2009 is the year to test your foundations…so that when “The Rocovery” does come…it isn’t the old mess wrapped up in a bright shiny red bow.

4.5% Interest Rate's Affect on Home Values

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When interest rates are up, home values go down.  When interest rates go down, home values go up.  That’s a basic principle, but I do agree with those who expect this market to perform counterintuitively to stablize prices vs. causing them to go up.  Basically that means they go up to where they are, counteracting the continued pressure for them to decrease. (see 5th paragraph below)

In 1990 when I started in real estate, the common walk-in client said “I want to buy a 4 bedroom, 2.5 bath colonial, with a basement and a monthly payment of $1,200”.  Let’s set the bogey at double that and toss out the basement 🙂  The number I hear most often for the neighborhood below is a rental payment of $2,500 a month or a mortgage payment of $3,000 or so with 20% down. (talking SFH Redmond here)

I like using Abbey Road in Redmond as the bogey house.  Kind of like Goldilocks and the Three Bears selection process.  Not too big, not below desirable…just right.  Good schools.  Popular neighborhood;  3 car garage most times. Current median price around $700,000.  Range of pricing from $630,000 to $830,000.  Not too new to be affordable, not too old to be acceptable.

Let’s test the theory with a monthly payment of $2,800 a month not including taxes and insurance which would add about $500 a month to the payment, and using 20% down (see next post for ratio of value to total mortgages of the neighborhood). Let me test that against $3,000 net after tax payment.  The after tax benefit should be about $700 minimum, so $2,800 plus $500 = PITI of $3,300 less $700 gives plenty of breathing room for price to go up to $750,000 or for people to stick at $650,000 if their household income is $100,000 vs, $150,000.  Depends on whether you use 28% or 33% for housing payment.  At 33% of $100,000 you would need about $200,000 down on the $650,000 purchase price.  Fits the basic buyer profile for that area anyway you slice it.

Rates of 6.25% and 20% down and a payment of $2,800 P & I,  would equal a sale price of $570,000.  Current prices would continue to be drawn down toward $570,000 at rates of 6.25% even in a seller’s market (which this neighborhood still is) due to financing qualification changes. Someone asked me from Sunday Night Stats why prices are continuing to go down in Seller’s Market neighborhoods.  That’s your answer.  Qualifying guidelines & interest rates reducing the ability to purchase and pressuring prices downward.

Now let’s change the rate from 6.25% to 4.5% and see what happens to sale price.  Keeping the same monthly at $2,800 and 20% down at 4.5% the sale price would be $690,000. 

So, my gut was right.  As rates go down to 4.5%, it does not increase the price from the $700,000 bogey we started with, but it does stablizes home prices and keeps them from slipping further down.  I always work through these things in my head in real time, testing my perception against reality.  I’m always happy when I prove myself right, and admittedly sometimes scratch the post if I prove myself wrong by the end of the post :).

I test the same theory on Rivertrail Townhomes with a bogey of $1,800 a month P & I.  High end I won’t calculate…and clearly not at 20% down.  I can’t realistically do townhome scenarios until FHA rates get lower.  But the $700,000 give or take single family home market will clearly be supported in value by interest rates of 4.5% preventing prices from slipping further back.

So to answer Jillayne’s question on my Sunday Night Stats post (sorry for the delay, Jillayne; had to test my answer) the 2nd wave of Alt-A’s will not affect pricing in this scenario IF 4.5% interest rates take hold, counter-acting the negative impact.

Sorry for the long drawn out answer to Jillayne’s question, but I don’t answer off the top of my head, even when I think I know the answer in two seconds.  I test my answer first…and this one tests out in this example.  FHA won’t test out, I’m not even going to try to test it out.  Unless FHA rates get much lower, the middle value market is going to win on all fronts.  High end will continue to suffer from Jumbo Loan issues.  Low end will continue to suffer from cash to close issues unless FHA rates come down substantially and toward at least 5% or less.  FHA and VA rates were conspicuously missing from Rhonda’s Friday rate post…  Maybe she can pop her head up from her busy day and catch us up on where those rates are, or at miniumum include them in this week’s Friday Rate Post.

Bottom line…4.5% interest rates will stop property values from declining…at least in my service area of North Seattle and Eastside.  Someone else will have to test the theory in the South End of Seattle and beyond, and for the rest of the Country.

Sunday Night Stats – Best and Worst

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First, it’s been pretty obvious in the last 3 to 4 days that people are reacting to the interest rates being at 4.75% to 4.875% recently.  I can honestly say agents are not instigating this momentum, as all of the calls I have received have been directly from buyers that I’ve never spoken with before.  In fact I have had more calls to see property from buyers than I have had showings from agents.  It’s like a large part of the agent marketlace is MIA.  I’m hearing similar stories of “agents retreating” from Vancouver.  A sign that first quarter 2009 is clearly going to be on the upswing.  But let’s look at some more of the here and now tonight.

The Best:  Townhomes – the under $500,000 variety – net even a Buyer’s Market really – not a Seller’s market either.  A balanced market in Townhomes in Redmond where almost ALL townhomes sell for under $500,000 and North of Downtown in Seattle.  Location issues are more of a concern in Seattle than Redmond, as most townhomes in Redmond are built in larger, well located communites.  In Seattle they are often smack on a main arterial.  So be discriminating as to location and lifestyle and not just space issues.

Only a 5.7 month supply of townhomes in Redmond 98052 – not even a buyer’s market

Hard to believe with all the gloomy news, I know, but yes there is a market segment that is still performing well.  That will clearly improve in 2009 if rates stay this low, so we could even see a Seller’s Market come back in Redmond Townhomes in the not too distant future.  Still, I’ve seen prices taking a beating in the last 60-90 days.  Let’s see if lower rates and low supply pulls that back to stable.  I think that will happen for Townhomes in Redmond.

Now for the Opposite Extreme – The Dark Side – The Scariest Stat of all Sundays

Over FOUR YEARS of Inventory!  Where you ask?

Kirkland 98033 in the $1.2M plus market.  115 for sale and only 7 closed in the last 90 days.  See detail.

Compare Single Family Homes – Kirkland 98033 above to Redmond SFH 98052 below:

They look like Chirstmas Balls 🙂  The more red you see, the less green and blue, the weaker the housing market.  Redmond is doing pretty good until you get over $750,000.

Two story townhomes under $500,000 are definitely the IT segment both in Seattle and the Eastside.  Kirkland just doesn’t have enough of them like Redmond does.  Not sure what happens when you get out to Cougar Mountain and other not “close-in” newer townhomes.  I don’t get out that way very often, and last I looked there was a reason why I don’t go out there very often.  Every time it snows, I get calls from people who want to sell them and move closer to work.

Well, that’s your Sunday Night Stat “Christmas Balls” edition.  Hope you’re enjoying your “White Christmas”.

 

November Home Sales – Is Seattle Bubble Overly Optimistic?

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When I did my stats for King County for the month of November, my numbers were actually worse than those reported on Seattle Bubble.  I have come to rely on Seattle Bubble as being the place where I can find the worst possible news about the housing market.  But I have double, triple and quadruple checked my numbers, and I still come up with only 768 sales of single family homes in the month of November.

This from The Tim at Seattle Bubble: “What immediately jumped out to me was Closed Sales, which were down a whopping 43% YOY, coming in at just 869 SFH sales county-wide.”

My figures show a drop YOY of just over 46% from 1,427 sold in November of 2007 to 768 sold in November of 2008 for Residential Property in King County.  While that is only a modest difference, when I look at condo sales YOY, the numbers are even worse and down 58% from 555 sales in November of 2007 to 230 sales in November of 2008.

A more significant factor is the % down from peak volume for any month of November.  For Single Family Homes, that would be November of 2004.  For condos that would be November of 2005.  Based on my previous research, that variance is due to the fact that by November of 2005, many people were priced out of the single family home market, which pushed the peak sales into 2005 for condos.

For single family homes, November of 2008 sales are almost 70% lower than peak volume for the month of November.

For condos, November sales are slightly more than 70% lower than peak volume for any month of November.

The Tim correctly points out that “For comparison, that is lower than any month on record (post-2000).”  However, I think it is more currently relevant to point out the relationship of November 2008 sales volume to a most recent lowest volume, that being January of 2008,  I have shown this figure as a dot on the graph below, green for condos and purple for SFH. 

Conclusion: Both single family and condo sales in Novmeber of 2008 are approximately 70% under peak volume, and 20% under the previous, recent low point of January of 2008.

Seattle Area Home Sales Volume

Seattle Area Home Sales Volume

I think we can all agree on one thing…for the first time in a long time I think we can all be confident that 2009 WILL be better than November of 2008, as to volume of property sold, since it’s hard to imagine that it could get any worse, even for the most pessimistic among us.  Well, maybe not Sniglet 🙂
If November sales volume is not AT BOTTOM…we may have to start looking at an “exit strategy”.
(required disclosure) All stats in this post (and graphs) compiled by ARDELL and not compiled, verified or posted by the NWMLS.

Is the housing market performing "as expected"?

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To some people, that question will seem ludicrous.  If you are buying or selling a house every 7 years or so, you may not care about this somewhat complex answer to the question raised.  I am writing this post for real estate professionals, rather than the individual who may be buying or selling a home every 7 years or so.  My hope is that if more real estate professionals understood the housing market, more consumers would be better served by those professionals.

For those that want to hear that the market is doing much worse than expected, I give you Detroit.  I heard on the news yesterday that home prices in Detroit have rolled back 8.5 years.  That is much worse than “expected”.  For those that want to hear that the market is doing much better than expected, I have to say “jury’s still out” on that one, as the down market has not yet completed its “expected” cycle. 

Yes, real estate prices always go up.  But when did real estate professionals en masse start thinking that meant it looked like the chart below?  It DOES NOT!

Housing Prices do not go up in a straight line

 
Housing Prices do not go up in a straight line!.  I can honestly say that 20 years ago the only agents I met who thought this way were the salesmen vs. the professionals…and they were few. The first time I overheard an agent at an Open House talking to a first time home buyer explaining the real estate market in terms of “AWAYS GOING UP!” and drawing a chart like the one above for them, I thought “What an Idiot!” 

It is only in the last couple of years that I have seen MOST of the professionals, and consequently the general public, setting the unrealistic expectations noted in the chart above.  Many of those professionals have left the business, and more will follow.  For the benefit of those who will continue in the industry, and for the public at large, lets get back to basics and set our expectations properly. First you set realistic expectations based on an Annual Cycle of Real Estate markets.  The one below is primarily for single family residential housing.  Not condos, not multi-family, not commercial – Single Family Residential Housing Market.

Annual Cycle of Home Prices

Annual Cycle of Home Prices

When home prices increase from year to year, most of that appreciation happens from March through July.  Even when home prices decrease from year to year, prices are still expected to be up from March through July vs. January and November.  THAT is the expectation.
Think of it this way, retail sales are expected to be higher in November and December than in February.  They may not go up as much as expected, and that is not good.  But if sales in November are lower than in February, that’s really bad.  So up vs. down is NOT the barometer…it is up when expected to be up, down when expected to be down…and then it is all a matter of degree.

If you heard a store owner who only sells Christmas Ornaments complaining that his April sales were lower than his Nov/Dec sales, what would you think?  That’s how I scratch my head when I hear someone saying “I’m waiting for the lowest possible prices, so I’m going to buy a house in May or June.  Does not compute!  I’m not saying it could never happen, I’m just saying that is not an appropriate expectation.  As long as you are willing to wait until 4th Quarter of 2009 or even 2010…fine.  But if you are determined to buy within 12 months, wanting the lowest price and wanting to buy in June is not a match.  You will likely get a better house if you wait until May…but not a better price.  Again, not impossible…just not likely.  Go back and study the graph above before we move to broader market descriptions.

For this next part, different people will have different market theories.  Mine are primarily based on a “7 steps forward, 3-5 steps back” theory, that I attribute to having entered my head via Alan Greenspan many years ago.  Nationally the market started moving up past it’s previous peak in 1998.  Consequently the expectation would be for it to go down in 2005.  When it did, people freaked out while I said “DUH”. 

The market performed as expected.  But when professionals don’t know what to expect, they react inappropriately, which creates an unexpected market condition.  It’s like playing a sport where half of your team is not performing their role “as expected”…it throws the whole game off.  When your quarterback starts throwing to the guy in the wrong colored Jersey…all hell breaks loose.  As a real estate agent, you are the quarterback, time to learn the plays.  The people in the stands have a harder time betting on the game, when the quarterback is messing up the plays to the degree that we as professionals have been screwing up.  STOP sending GOOD NEWS! C-R-A-P.  This is NOT an industry based on consistent and continual “Good News”!  STOP wishing ONLY for Good News, and blaming market conditions on the purveyors of “bad news”.  Get Real – Real Fast…or suffer the consequence.

Another analogy.  The market went down when the Dow hit 14,000.  If most people said “DUH”, there wouldn’t have been panic selling.  Yes the market still would have gone down, but the market loses all semblance of sanity when expectations are set at unrealistic levels.  Momentum created by panic forces markets out of their natural cycle.  That is true both on the up side and on the down side.  The Dow was supposed to go down when it hit 14,000…in fact it should have gone down when it hit 12,000.

This is my expectation of the housing market.  Yours may differ.  Lacking an informed and valuable opinion from the professionals, the public will start imposing their own opinions like “markets should only increase at the same level as median income.”  That is not correct BUT professionals have no one to blame but themselves for all of the Bubble Blogs.  When professionals started lying both to themselves and to the public, the public had to move in a different direction.  You hate Bubble Blogs, you say?  Well then stop acting like you don’t have a freakin’ crystal ball!  If you don’t like the public not relying on your opinion…well then go get yourself an opinion!  OK, here’s mine.  Beyond the Annual Cycle above for single family homes, there is the YOY expectation in a long term cycle.

Home prices up for 7 years; down for 3-5

Home prices up for 7 years; down for 3-5

Now let’s define what a Housing BUBBLE is.  A housing bubble is when the market outperforms expectations…not when it goes UP.  A housing slump is when the market underperforms expectations…not when it goes DOWN.  Bubbles ALWAYS burst.  That is why you need to know the degree to which the market should go up (like Christmas Ornament sales in November and December) so that you know when you are entering a bubble zone.

I learned this many years ago…so long ago I don’t know where.  A market will ALWAYS reach and surpass a  level it has previously achieved.  It’s not a matter of IF…it’s a matter of WHEN.  If it happens too quickly, the downside of the cycle will hit harder.  If it happens as expected, the people betting on that expectation will do well.  We want to be a Country that always does WELL…not that always goes UP beyond normal market expectations and never, ever goes down.

Once you set a realistic expectation, you can predict markets.  When the market moves outside of predictable levels, you know you are in a bubble or a slump.  If you think every batter is supposed to hit a home run…you will spend your life in misery and disappointment.  If you expect the batter to always hit a home run…one day he will hit you instead of the ball.

Real Estate Prices are supposed to stop going down, nationally that is, somewhere between 2009 and 2011.  They were supposed to go up from 1998 to 2005 and down from 2006 through 2009 – 2011.  The degree they went up was “bubbled” by the loose lending practices in the latter part of the up cycle.  First that bubble must pop, as it did, and now we’re looking for the end of the down cycle.  If the government wants to make sure the down cycle is only 3 years and not five, then they have to do something to cause interest rates to stay at or below 5.75%, even if that is an artificial stimulus level.

No one can, nor should anyone try to, force the market to be always up.  That kind of talk is for salesmen, not professionals.  If you don’t want to hear ANY bad news, ever.  If you don’t understand that there should be at least 3 years of “bad news” following a consistent 7 year trend of “good news”, please go do something else for a living.  That’s like a lawyer who tells everyone they can win a case, cause they get paid whether the client wins or loses.  That’s like a doctor ordering MRI’s every week for a hypochondriac, because he makes money whether the patient is sick or not. 
Don’t want to be compared to a Used Car Salesman?  Then stop acting like one.

U.S. % Change in Home Prices

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This chart reminds me of the crash in real estate prices in the late sixties when REIT (real estate investment trust) stock prices dropped to pretty much worthless.  I was still in high school, but the Courts got involved in the loss of value in trust portfolios, so I was looking at those in 1974 in my accounts.  I would think that today’s national drop in home prices emulate the drop in the late sixties to some degree.

I do recall in recent years warning people not to buy into REITs, but must admit I felt a bit “old-fashioned” at the time.  Once you see those losses, you don’t forgive or forget, somewhat like people who lived through the Depression.

This post is supplemental to last night’s post and as a result of the comments that follow in that post.  The source of this info is at the end of last night’s post for those who want to look at the detail.

U.S. YOY % Home Price Changes

U.S. YOY % Home Price Changes

My First House: Then and Now

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“Cautious Buyer” asks this question on my post the other day when I referenced that my first house had a rate of 11% during the comments:

“Do you think a young couple with similar jobs could buy the same place in Tacoma today? How about 1 year ago today?”

Then

My first house was a rambler in northeast Tacoma.  It’s a 3 bedroom with 1 bathroom and a galley kitchen. 

At barely 1000 square feet, it suited my boyfriend and I just fine.  We liked the 7,500 yard with fruit trees and two car garage with RV parking.  We purchased the home in the summer of 1988 for about $68,000 using minimum down FHA at 11%. 

  • 3% down = $2,040
  • Estimated mortgage payment (PITI) @ 11% = $765

At the time, we were both 21 years old.  I worked at in the title insurance industry as a “home equity title rep” and my boyfriend was a bagger/meat room cleaner for a large grocery store.   Our combined income at that time was about $34,000.

  • 34,000 /12 months = 2,833 monthly gross incomes x 28% = $793.  (We were barely below the recommend “front ratio”).  
  • 2,833 x 43% = 1218 less our mortgage payment of 765 = $453 for maximum allowed monthly debt.  

I didn’t have a company car yet and so I’m sure we were pretty close to using the maximum allowance when we qualified for this mortgage.  Plus, I began receiving offers for credit cards at 18 years old.  I think I was the first girl in school to get a Nordstroms card (I haven’t had a Nordie’s card in YEARS.   I was young and naive when it came to credit.  I managed to pay our bills on time but did learn the hard way…I digress).

Now

Current guestimated value of my first house is around $220,000.  I verified this with ARDELL and it happens to be fairly close to what Zillow is zestimating as well (Zillow is a little higher).   This is assuming it has been updated along with the rest of the neighborhood.

  • 220,000 x 3% down payment = $6,600.  Assuming the seller is paying closing costs.
  • Base loan amount = $213,400 plus upfront mortgage insurance @ 1.75% = $217,134.
  • Interest rate of FHA 30 yr @ 6.500% (apr 7.191% per Friday’s rates) = $1,372.44.  Plus monthly mortgage insurance of 0.55% = 97.81.  2008 taxes = $2525/12 = $210.43.   Total payment (incl. estimated $40 per month home owners insurance) = $1,720.68.

I estimate incomes for both jobs at $67,000.  (I have close sources in both the title and grocery industries).

  • 67,000 /12 = $5,583 gross monthly income.  The total proposed payment of 1,720.68 divided by the monthly gross income = 31%.   This is an acceptable front ratio with FHA. 
  • $5583 x 43% = $2400.69.   2400 less the proposed payment of 1720 =  $680 of allowed monthly debt for FHA in order to stay within a 43% total debt ratio.

It’s been twenty years since I bought my first house.   The house has tripled in value while the incomes for our jobs have pretty much doubled.  I commuted 27 miles one way each day (not even factoring when I made calls on accounts, which at that time my territory was banks and credit unions in King County)…I was thankful once I was promoted to a real “title rep” and had a company car to clunk the miles onto instead of my personal one.  

The answer to your question, Cautious Buyer, is:  YES.  Someone could buy that home today with the same jobs that we had when we purchased it.  Last year’s value?  Since it’s in NE Tacoma, I would say that it hasn’t experienced the same degree of “appreciation” as the Seattle/Bellevue markets did.   According to Zillow, the home is worth 0.9% more now than a year ago and 0.4% less in the last 30 days…so we’re splitting hairs.  

What I wonder is how many first time home buyers would be willing to commute like I did or to buy a true starter home? 

Our agent for our first home did select our loan officer.  As I mentioned, we were 21 and were totally green.  Even though I had worked for a title company for a few years, it’s completely different to actually go through the process.  With our subsequent home purchases, we selected our loan officer first and then the home.

By the way, we did sell that house one year later.  There was a bit of a housing panic (at least I had one at the time) and we sold it for $90,000.  The proceeds was the down payment on our next home located in Federal Way’s “Affordable Street of Dreams“.  Yes, that’s how the new plat was marketed.  Affordable dreams (our “affordable dream” was $125k for 1500 square feet in 1990).   We were able to move just a little closer to family and jobs (and continued to do so with the next home we purchased together).   This photo is from our second home in Madrona Meadows.   We lived in my grandparent-in-laws (we were married at this point) basement for a few months until this home was finished since our first home sold in days with back up offers.